Rethinking Maui next year due to fires

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Anonymous wrote:I as listening to the NPR report about the massive problem of clearing the invasive grass on the island that is contributing to the fires. I wonder what people would think about spending 1 day of their vacation clearing grass to build firebreaks. They were also talking about how a big problem is that the grass has taken over the abandoned sugar fields. I’m not sure who owns that property now. I wonder if the state could eminent domain it, then give small acreage to free to anyone that will grow crops on it to maintain it.
I think the severity of this tragedy may prompt some out of the box thinking about the future of the island.

this isn’t going to help the fact that freshwater has been for a long time diverted to wealthy enclaves at the expense of the common folk. listening to the press conferences it feels like a lot of blaming natural forces and climate change and not addressing the elephant in the room.

Yes. I think if they are going to open Maui back up for tourism, that they are going to have to impose water restrictions on the tourists. They are going to have to install water meters on showers, turn off fountains at resorts and hotels, and generally conserve water. The fresh water problem was hard enough to deal with when residents might have to buy potable water, but now bottled water is going to be at a premium as so much of the cargo space of boats and planes coming to Maui will be for food and building supplies, they won't be able to bring in nearly as much bottled and packaged water as they did before.

Why would anyone want to live like this? I’m not sure I want to even vacation there, even after they want tourists back. I feel terrible for the indigenous people but not that much for the random people from the continent who just decided hey let’s move to HI!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I as listening to the NPR report about the massive problem of clearing the invasive grass on the island that is contributing to the fires. I wonder what people would think about spending 1 day of their vacation clearing grass to build firebreaks. They were also talking about how a big problem is that the grass has taken over the abandoned sugar fields. I’m not sure who owns that property now. I wonder if the state could eminent domain it, then give small acreage to free to anyone that will grow crops on it to maintain it.
I think the severity of this tragedy may prompt some out of the box thinking about the future of the island.

A great idea, also a good option to put locals to work who's workplaces were destroyed or do not want to work in the hospitality industry. The invasive grass problem will be ongoing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I as listening to the NPR report about the massive problem of clearing the invasive grass on the island that is contributing to the fires. I wonder what people would think about spending 1 day of their vacation clearing grass to build firebreaks. They were also talking about how a big problem is that the grass has taken over the abandoned sugar fields. I’m not sure who owns that property now. I wonder if the state could eminent domain it, then give small acreage to free to anyone that will grow crops on it to maintain it.
I think the severity of this tragedy may prompt some out of the box thinking about the future of the island.

this isn’t going to help the fact that freshwater has been for a long time diverted to wealthy enclaves at the expense of the common folk. listening to the press conferences it feels like a lot of blaming natural forces and climate change and not addressing the elephant in the room.

Yes. I think if they are going to open Maui back up for tourism, that they are going to have to impose water restrictions on the tourists. They are going to have to install water meters on showers, turn off fountains at resorts and hotels, and generally conserve water. The fresh water problem was hard enough to deal with when residents might have to buy potable water, but now bottled water is going to be at a premium as so much of the cargo space of boats and planes coming to Maui will be for food and building supplies, they won't be able to bring in nearly as much bottled and packaged water as they did before.

It sounds like HI needs a long break from tourism to restore some balance.

[Anonymous]

Lahina has ways been the dry side of the island. Activists in the mid 2010s fought to stop the diversion and have the water follow its natural path to the ocean, not allowing use of it for homes or businesses in Lahaina. Good for the environment, bad for Lahaina.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

A year from now id still consider Maui. Wailea is gorgeous. What happened in Lahaina is tragic, but from a purely tourist perspective, we didn’t spend a ton of time there on our previous vacations. We always did dinner there one night. Assuming Maui is open to tourists, it’s safe, and they want the business, I would still go.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I as listening to the NPR report about the massive problem of clearing the invasive grass on the island that is contributing to the fires. I wonder what people would think about spending 1 day of their vacation clearing grass to build firebreaks. They were also talking about how a big problem is that the grass has taken over the abandoned sugar fields. I’m not sure who owns that property now. I wonder if the state could eminent domain it, then give small acreage to free to anyone that will grow crops on it to maintain it.
I think the severity of this tragedy may prompt some out of the box thinking about the future of the island.

A great idea, also a good option to put locals to work who's workplaces were destroyed or do not want to work in the hospitality industry. The invasive grass problem will be ongoing.

I’m sure tons of people would rather do manual labor in the hot sun as opposed to being a bartender.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

I don’t see any reason not to visit the other islands.

Residents were begging people to stop visiting Hawaii prior to the wildfires. Maybe listen to the people on the ground rather than your selfish desires.

The Hawaii economy revolves around tourism. Without it they cannot survive, so no, they are not asking you to stop coming before the wildfires

Hawaii was around and thriving long before the white man turned it into their tropical playground. they were forced to focus on tourism because of demand, not by choice. Much like how they were taken over and colonized by the US.

Most business in Hawaii, including Airbnb's, are owned by people/cooperation's that are not even centered in Hawaii. Tourism has wrecked the land and habitat. During covid when there were no tourists and the reefs and lands began to recover from years of abuse. Most tourists who visit are not respectful and do not care about maintaining the natural habitat.

Back when Hawaiians fished and ate tropical fruit to survive?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

I don’t see any reason not to visit the other islands.

Residents were begging people to stop visiting Hawaii prior to the wildfires. Maybe listen to the people on the ground rather than your selfish desires.

The Hawaii economy revolves around tourism. Without it they cannot survive, so no, they are not asking you to stop coming before the wildfires

Hawaii was around and thriving long before the white man turned it into their tropical playground. they were forced to focus on tourism because of demand, not by choice. Much like how they were taken over and colonized by the US.

Most business in Hawaii, including Airbnb's, are owned by people/cooperation's that are not even centered in Hawaii. Tourism has wrecked the land and habitat. During covid when there were no tourists and the reefs and lands began to recover from years of abuse. Most tourists who visit are not respectful and do not care about maintaining the natural habitat.

Back when Hawaiians fished and ate tropical fruit to survive?

Oh you mean back when they weren’t plagued by diabetes and obesity and alcoholism and all the other joyful things that colonialism and capitalism gifted them?

Get real. The universal story of indigenous peoples of North America is that they comparatively thrived before they encountered white settlers/conquerors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

I don’t see any reason not to visit the other islands.

Residents were begging people to stop visiting Hawaii prior to the wildfires. Maybe listen to the people on the ground rather than your selfish desires.

The Hawaii economy revolves around tourism. Without it they cannot survive, so no, they are not asking you to stop coming before the wildfires

Hawaii was around and thriving long before the white man turned it into their tropical playground. they were forced to focus on tourism because of demand, not by choice. Much like how they were taken over and colonized by the US.

Most business in Hawaii, including Airbnb's, are owned by people/cooperation's that are not even centered in Hawaii. Tourism has wrecked the land and habitat. During covid when there were no tourists and the reefs and lands began to recover from years of abuse. Most tourists who visit are not respectful and do not care about maintaining the natural habitat.

Back when Hawaiians fished and ate tropical fruit to survive?

Oh you mean back when they weren’t plagued by diabetes and obesity and alcoholism and all the other joyful things that colonialism and capitalism gifted them?

Get real. The universal story of indigenous peoples of North America is that they comparatively thrived before they encountered white settlers/conquerors.

Indeed. They engaged in plenty of indigenous warfare and regularly wiped out rival tribes with brutal savagery. And did their share of environmental spoilage and wildlife destruction, just on a smaller scale.

Your point is?

[Anonymous]

Anyway, you should go. They need the economic boost to compensate for the crushing blow to the island's economy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

I don’t see any reason not to visit the other islands.

Residents were begging people to stop visiting Hawaii prior to the wildfires. Maybe listen to the people on the ground rather than your selfish desires.

The Hawaii economy revolves around tourism. Without it they cannot survive, so no, they are not asking you to stop coming before the wildfires

Hawaii was around and thriving long before the white man turned it into their tropical playground. they were forced to focus on tourism because of demand, not by choice. Much like how they were taken over and colonized by the US.

Most business in Hawaii, including Airbnb's, are owned by people/cooperation's that are not even centered in Hawaii. Tourism has wrecked the land and habitat. During covid when there were no tourists and the reefs and lands began to recover from years of abuse. Most tourists who visit are not respectful and do not care about maintaining the natural habitat.

Back when Hawaiians fished and ate tropical fruit to survive?

Oh you mean back when they weren’t plagued by diabetes and obesity and alcoholism and all the other joyful things that colonialism and capitalism gifted them?

Get real. The universal story of indigenous peoples of North America is that they comparatively thrived before they encountered white settlers/conquerors.

Sure and the life expectancy of the people still living the indigenous life in the Amazon is like 40-50 years, really thriving. Stop treating these people like they are simply victims 150 years later and have no agency at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

I don’t see any reason not to visit the other islands.

Residents were begging people to stop visiting Hawaii prior to the wildfires. Maybe listen to the people on the ground rather than your selfish desires.

The Hawaii economy revolves around tourism. Without it they cannot survive, so no, they are not asking you to stop coming before the wildfires

Hawaii was around and thriving long before the white man turned it into their tropical playground. they were forced to focus on tourism because of demand, not by choice. Much like how they were taken over and colonized by the US.

Most business in Hawaii, including Airbnb's, are owned by people/cooperation's that are not even centered in Hawaii. Tourism has wrecked the land and habitat. During covid when there were no tourists and the reefs and lands began to recover from years of abuse. Most tourists who visit are not respectful and do not care about maintaining the natural habitat.

Back when Hawaiians fished and ate tropical fruit to survive?

Oh you mean back when they weren’t plagued by diabetes and obesity and alcoholism and all the other joyful things that colonialism and capitalism gifted them?

Get real. The universal story of indigenous peoples of North America is that they comparatively thrived before they encountered white settlers/conquerors.

Indeed. They engaged in plenty of indigenous warfare and regularly wiped out rival tribes with brutal savagery. And did their share of environmental spoilage and wildlife destruction, just on a smaller scale.

Your point is?

Because it is so much better when European transplants come, claim their land, and wipe out all the tribes who refuse to give up their land and possessions. Then the Europeans slaughter their food stock, destroy their natural habitat and sequester them on reservations on the most unhabitable land in the region while refusing to give them autonomous rights. Either way they died from brutal savagery, but you seem to think it is better when they were slaughtered by the white Europeans than when they fought intertribe battles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not visit Maui (or anywhere in Hawaii) next year. The islands have limited resources, food, etc. The individuals and economy will still be feeling the devastation of the wildfires.

I don’t see any reason not to visit the other islands.

Residents were begging people to stop visiting Hawaii prior to the wildfires. Maybe listen to the people on the ground rather than your selfish desires.

The Hawaii economy revolves around tourism. Without it they cannot survive, so no, they are not asking you to stop coming before the wildfires

Hawaii was around and thriving long before the white man turned it into their tropical playground. they were forced to focus on tourism because of demand, not by choice. Much like how they were taken over and colonized by the US.

Most business in Hawaii, including Airbnb's, are owned by people/cooperation's that are not even centered in Hawaii. Tourism has wrecked the land and habitat. During covid when there were no tourists and the reefs and lands began to recover from years of abuse. Most tourists who visit are not respectful and do not care about maintaining the natural habitat.

Back when Hawaiians fished and ate tropical fruit to survive?

Oh you mean back when they weren’t plagued by diabetes and obesity and alcoholism and all the other joyful things that colonialism and capitalism gifted them?

Get real. The universal story of indigenous peoples of North America is that they comparatively thrived before they encountered white settlers/conquerors.

Indeed. They engaged in plenty of indigenous warfare and regularly wiped out rival tribes with brutal savagery. And did their share of environmental spoilage and wildlife destruction, just on a smaller scale.

Your point is?

Because it is so much better when European transplants come, claim their land, and wipe out all the tribes who refuse to give up their land and possessions. Then the Europeans slaughter their food stock, destroy their natural habitat and sequester them on reservations on the most unhabitable land in the region while refusing to give them autonomous rights. Either way they died from brutal savagery, but you seem to think it is better when they were slaughtered by the white Europeans than when they fought intertribe battles.

Are you saying people should go back to where they came from if they transplant themselves somewhere and cause trouble?

[Anonymous]

Didn’t “native Hawaiians” only arrive a few hundred years before Europeans?