Alg I in 6th grade

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

the problem is when the opportunity is dependent on school. Our school flat out does not recommend anyone for algebra in 6th grade. I don't disagree with the policy, but I would be furious if it cost my kid a shot at TJ

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

You’re making it too much a a big deal than it actually is. Sure it’s annoying not to get the credits if the child is capable but just checking the algebra 1 box on the transcript is not the end of the world. If he’s truly as talented as you claim he will easily be able to double, triple and quadruple math classes later on for appropriate placement. The are many other options like dual enrollment at the local community college, online classes, credit by examination in the future etc.

As with everything in life not everything will work out as you want it to. You should articulate more clearly how your child was deprived of opportunities by not having the algebra 1 on the transcript in 6th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

the problem is when the opportunity is dependent on school. Our school flat out does not recommend anyone for algebra in 6th grade. I don't disagree with the policy, but I would be furious if it cost my kid a shot at TJ

So you agree with the policy, but only if it doesn’t impact your child? Otherwise you’d be furious? Brilliant!

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

the problem is when the opportunity is dependent on school. Our school flat out does not recommend anyone for algebra in 6th grade. I don't disagree with the policy, but I would be furious if it cost my kid a shot at TJ

May I suggest that possibly your kid is not TJ material (nothing wrong with that) and you’re blaming the school for it?

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

The correct versions of the test are MAP 2-5, and MAP6+. MAP 6-8 is not an actual test version. Your child was not deprived of any opportunity by not taking algebra 1 in 6, since the correct placement would have been algebra 2 or pre calculus. I can understand the school point of view, they would not have anything in place for a kid that advanced, and would not change the entire institution for one student alone. At some schools (possibly richer, but not necessary) the demographics will lead to a critical mass of students every year that make implementing such a program feasible.

You just sound so entitled. Not sure what the problem is, maybe your kid didn’t get into TJ? If that’s the case I’m certain it’s not because he didn’t have enough formal classes given an AIMÉ qualification in 7th grade.

Here they use the MAP-P for grades 1-2 and give the MAP-M in grades 3-5, and switch to the next version in 6th.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

the problem is when the opportunity is dependent on school. Our school flat out does not recommend anyone for algebra in 6th grade. I don't disagree with the policy, but I would be furious if it cost my kid a shot at TJ

It honestly doesn't bug me except when people try to use this as their ticket into places like TJ. Then it's unfair because many don't have this option.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

the problem is when the opportunity is dependent on school. Our school flat out does not recommend anyone for algebra in 6th grade. I don't disagree with the policy, but I would be furious if it cost my kid a shot at TJ

May I suggest that possibly your kid is not TJ material (nothing wrong with that) and you’re blaming the school for it?

I disagree and believe their kid is TJ material. These days the selection committee does too. They understand that not every school has these opportunities and makes sure that is accounted for ... Sure, some kids won't have taken Geometry when they get there but that's because not all schools offer the same enrichment.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

The correct versions of the test are MAP 2-5, and MAP6+. MAP 6-8 is not an actual test version. Your child was not deprived of any opportunity by not taking algebra 1 in 6, since the correct placement would have been algebra 2 or pre calculus. I can understand the school point of view, they would not have anything in place for a kid that advanced, and would not change the entire institution for one student alone. At some schools (possibly richer, but not necessary) the demographics will lead to a critical mass of students every year that make implementing such a program feasible.

You just sound so entitled. Not sure what the problem is, maybe your kid didn’t get into TJ? If that’s the case I’m certain it’s not because he didn’t have enough formal classes given an AIMÉ qualification in 7th grade.

Here they use the MAP-P for grades 1-2 and give the MAP-M in grades 3-5, and switch to the next version in 6th.

Correct, most schools use the MAP-P for lower ES and switch to the MAP-M in 3rd.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is some people hear Algebra 1 is offered in 6th grade at some school and they demand it for their progeny, regardless if their school has resources, or even if the child would be appropriately placed. If that doesn’t happen they cry unfairness, even when their child benefited from enrichment, prepping and far more opportunities then most students.

There’s also this misunderstanding that acceleration is a golden ticket to good outcomes, which is probably why people get so worked up about it. Not necessarily, there are kids who do well, but just as many are done with math early because they were accelerated when they shouldn’t have been.

I think we all know it's not a golden ticket to anything and they aren't done with math early as they go on to take other math classes. If they need to slow down, they have that option too in the future.

Algebra can be offered at all schools. They combine the 6th graders with 7/8 graders. The issue isn't Algebra or Geometry as most middle schools offer that but the issue comes in during 8th grade as most middle schools don't offer Algebra 2 as they don't have enough students or a qualified teacher so those kids are bussed to the high school or take it virtually (now if its an option). It's very easy for them to offer Algebra in 6th. That's not the problem. It's what to do with an 8th grader who needs Algebra 2. Its not idea to send a 13/14 year old into a high school in a class that often has 15-16 year olds in it (though its never been an issue for my child).

It isn't easy for to offer Algebra in 6th grade in FCPS or to offfer it at all schools. It requires a specific endorsement that most elementary teachers do not have. Getting that endorsement costs money and time. You need to be qualified to teach it, and the general k-6 endorsement does not cover it.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

The correct versions of the test are MAP 2-5, and MAP6+. MAP 6-8 is not an actual test version. Your child was not deprived of any opportunity by not taking algebra 1 in 6, since the correct placement would have been algebra 2 or pre calculus. I can understand the school point of view, they would not have anything in place for a kid that advanced, and would not change the entire institution for one student alone. At some schools (possibly richer, but not necessary) the demographics will lead to a critical mass of students every year that make implementing such a program feasible.

You just sound so entitled. Not sure what the problem is, maybe your kid didn’t get into TJ? If that’s the case I’m certain it’s not because he didn’t have enough formal classes given an AIMÉ qualification in 7th grade.

Here they use the MAP-P for grades 1-2 and give the MAP-M in grades 3-5, and switch to the next version in 6th.

The quickly googled MCPS link where you got this information is inaccurate. You can find the details of the MAP test on the NWEA site. The available versions are 2-5, 6+, and course specific (algebra 1 and 2, geometry and integrated math 1, 2, 3).

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is some people hear Algebra 1 is offered in 6th grade at some school and they demand it for their progeny, regardless if their school has resources, or even if the child would be appropriately placed. If that doesn’t happen they cry unfairness, even when their child benefited from enrichment, prepping and far more opportunities then most students.

There’s also this misunderstanding that acceleration is a golden ticket to good outcomes, which is probably why people get so worked up about it. Not necessarily, there are kids who do well, but just as many are done with math early because they were accelerated when they shouldn’t have been.

I think we all know it's not a golden ticket to anything and they aren't done with math early as they go on to take other math classes. If they need to slow down, they have that option too in the future.

Algebra can be offered at all schools. They combine the 6th graders with 7/8 graders. The issue isn't Algebra or Geometry as most middle schools offer that but the issue comes in during 8th grade as most middle schools don't offer Algebra 2 as they don't have enough students or a qualified teacher so those kids are bussed to the high school or take it virtually (now if its an option). It's very easy for them to offer Algebra in 6th. That's not the problem. It's what to do with an 8th grader who needs Algebra 2. Its not idea to send a 13/14 year old into a high school in a class that often has 15-16 year olds in it (though its never been an issue for my child).

It isn't easy for to offer Algebra in 6th grade in FCPS or to offfer it at all schools. It requires a specific endorsement that most elementary teachers do not have. Getting that endorsement costs money and time. You need to be qualified to teach it, and the general k-6 endorsement does not cover it.

Ideally, it should be offered by county, not a specific school or district, since most schools don’t have enough students at individual schools to support this. The country should be partnering with a local university or community college to find these kids and offer not only alg I, but higher level of math beyond what their home middle school can offer (which typically tops out at alg I for many schools).

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

The correct versions of the test are MAP 2-5, and MAP6+. MAP 6-8 is not an actual test version. Your child was not deprived of any opportunity by not taking algebra 1 in 6, since the correct placement would have been algebra 2 or pre calculus. I can understand the school point of view, they would not have anything in place for a kid that advanced, and would not change the entire institution for one student alone. At some schools (possibly richer, but not necessary) the demographics will lead to a critical mass of students every year that make implementing such a program feasible.

You just sound so entitled. Not sure what the problem is, maybe your kid didn’t get into TJ? If that’s the case I’m certain it’s not because he didn’t have enough formal classes given an AIMÉ qualification in 7th grade.

Here they use the MAP-P for grades 1-2 and give the MAP-M in grades 3-5, and switch to the next version in 6th.

Correct, most schools use the MAP-P for lower ES and switch to the MAP-M in 3rd.

Lol, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is some people hear Algebra 1 is offered in 6th grade at some school and they demand it for their progeny, regardless if their school has resources, or even if the child would be appropriately placed. If that doesn’t happen they cry unfairness, even when their child benefited from enrichment, prepping and far more opportunities then most students.

There’s also this misunderstanding that acceleration is a golden ticket to good outcomes, which is probably why people get so worked up about it. Not necessarily, there are kids who do well, but just as many are done with math early because they were accelerated when they shouldn’t have been.

I think we all know it's not a golden ticket to anything and they aren't done with math early as they go on to take other math classes. If they need to slow down, they have that option too in the future.

Algebra can be offered at all schools. They combine the 6th graders with 7/8 graders. The issue isn't Algebra or Geometry as most middle schools offer that but the issue comes in during 8th grade as most middle schools don't offer Algebra 2 as they don't have enough students or a qualified teacher so those kids are bussed to the high school or take it virtually (now if its an option). It's very easy for them to offer Algebra in 6th. That's not the problem. It's what to do with an 8th grader who needs Algebra 2. Its not idea to send a 13/14 year old into a high school in a class that often has 15-16 year olds in it (though its never been an issue for my child).

It isn't easy for to offer Algebra in 6th grade in FCPS or to offfer it at all schools. It requires a specific endorsement that most elementary teachers do not have. Getting that endorsement costs money and time. You need to be qualified to teach it, and the general k-6 endorsement does not cover it.

Ideally, it should be offered by county, not a specific school or district, since most schools don’t have enough students at individual schools to support this. The country should be partnering with a local university or community college to find these kids and offer not only alg I, but higher level of math beyond what their home middle school can offer (which typically tops out at alg I for many schools).

These options are already available, trust me that most teachers and administrators are not set on hurting your child. Work with them to figure out a solution that is acceptable to everyone. Understand that if your child is the only one in school needing such accommodation it will require some creativity, so be thankful and gracious. Understand that you’ll need to do most of the legwork, the school has lots of other things to worry about. Also for everyone’s sake (including your child), be realistic with what is the appropriate coursework, get independent assessments if you need to.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

You have a really warped view of what schools should and can offer based on some scores your child had. You essentially homeschool your kid to speed up through the curriculum and expect the school to bend to you every whim. What would have made you happy? Have the school set up a one student class for your prodigy? If you’d be less entitled and demanding and try to work out a solution with the school, you’d have been more successful in providing appropriate opportunities for your child.

My kids are slightly above average and in no way requiring or asking for Algebra I in 6th grade, so you missed it on that one, but they are subject to the latest trend in slowing instruction to close gaps and suffer in a different way but for the same reasons a super gifted child would. This affects everyone.

Then what is your point. My kid is doing this track and it’s been fine. Why would you slow down a smart kid?

My point is that the very people that are claiming that these opportunities arent available for these underrepresented schools are the very people that dont support the measures that would make those opporunities available for these underrepresented schools. No one should be slowed down. But that isnt equitable.

You keep ranting about this but you honestly have no idea what is going on. In MCPS the lower income schools are more likely to offer it to keep the students at the home schools but there is no point in listing them as its not schools you'd send your child to and if they were you'd be there. MCCPTA made a list.

In FCPS the opposite is true. People claim TJ admissions arent fair because not all FCPS schools offer the same stuff, but instead of efforts to increase access to tracking and accelerated programs, they are going in the opposite direction. 8th grade Algebra is the goal and if you are in a lower income school... that thats your path unless you find your way into AAP and leave the school. E3 Math is a pathway-like initiative that is making its way through the non-AAP schools. 8th grade algebra II will probably become less and less.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is some people hear Algebra 1 is offered in 6th grade at some school and they demand it for their progeny, regardless if their school has resources, or even if the child would be appropriately placed. If that doesn’t happen they cry unfairness, even when their child benefited from enrichment, prepping and far more opportunities then most students.

There’s also this misunderstanding that acceleration is a golden ticket to good outcomes, which is probably why people get so worked up about it. Not necessarily, there are kids who do well, but just as many are done with math early because they were accelerated when they shouldn’t have been.

I think we all know it's not a golden ticket to anything and they aren't done with math early as they go on to take other math classes. If they need to slow down, they have that option too in the future.

Algebra can be offered at all schools. They combine the 6th graders with 7/8 graders. The issue isn't Algebra or Geometry as most middle schools offer that but the issue comes in during 8th grade as most middle schools don't offer Algebra 2 as they don't have enough students or a qualified teacher so those kids are bussed to the high school or take it virtually (now if its an option). It's very easy for them to offer Algebra in 6th. That's not the problem. It's what to do with an 8th grader who needs Algebra 2. Its not idea to send a 13/14 year old into a high school in a class that often has 15-16 year olds in it (though its never been an issue for my child).

It isn't easy for to offer Algebra in 6th grade in FCPS or to offfer it at all schools. It requires a specific endorsement that most elementary teachers do not have. Getting that endorsement costs money and time. You need to be qualified to teach it, and the general k-6 endorsement does not cover it.

Ideally, it should be offered by county, not a specific school or district, since most schools don’t have enough students at individual schools to support this. The country should be partnering with a local university or community college to find these kids and offer not only alg I, but higher level of math beyond what their home middle school can offer (which typically tops out at alg I for many schools).

These options are already available, trust me that most teachers and administrators are not set on hurting your child. Work with them to figure out a solution that is acceptable to everyone. Understand that if your child is the only one in school needing such accommodation it will require some creativity, so be thankful and gracious. Understand that you’ll need to do most of the legwork, the school has lots of other things to worry about. Also for everyone’s sake (including your child), be realistic with what is the appropriate coursework, get independent assessments if you need to.

Im the PP but not the FCPS angry PP. My child is in a program like this and attends a high FARMS school; the local college partners with all the county middle schools and provides Alg I-precalc, but specifically for middle schoolers. It is awesome