Alg I in 6th grade

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

Well, we don't have these opportunities now. Maybe we never did. You think they'd try to meet kids where they are instead of this one size fits all approach which doesn't work. In the end, many kids lose out.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

It does seem unfair to use this as a way to dismiss students who never had that opportunity.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

The correct versions of the test are MAP 2-5, and MAP6+. MAP 6-8 is not an actual test version. Your child was not deprived of any opportunity by not taking algebra 1 in 6, since the correct placement would have been algebra 2 or pre calculus. I can understand the school point of view, they would not have anything in place for a kid that advanced, and would not change the entire institution for one student alone. At some schools (possibly richer, but not necessary) the demographics will lead to a critical mass of students every year that make implementing such a program feasible.

You just sound so entitled. Not sure what the problem is, maybe your kid didn’t get into TJ? If that’s the case I’m certain it’s not because he didn’t have enough formal classes given an AIMÉ qualification in 7th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

Well, we don't have these opportunities now. Maybe we never did. You think they'd try to meet kids where they are instead of this one size fits all approach which doesn't work. In the end, many kids lose out.

Well the middle loses out. Kids and by extension Parents that dont care, never will, but will be catered too because those are the scores that matter most. Kids/Parents with money and resources will seek outside enrichment, move, or send their kids to private school. And families in the middle are stuck with whatever they get, usually just seeing their kids get easy grades and learning little, and challenged even less.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

You have a really warped view of what schools should and can offer based on some scores your child had. You essentially homeschool your kid to speed up through the curriculum and expect the school to bend to you every whim. What would have made you happy? Have the school set up a one student class for your prodigy? If you’d be less entitled and demanding and try to work out a solution with the school, you’d have been more successful in providing appropriate opportunities for your child.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

Well, we don't have these opportunities now. Maybe we never did. You think they'd try to meet kids where they are instead of this one size fits all approach which doesn't work. In the end, many kids lose out.

Well the middle loses out. Kids and by extension Parents that dont care, never will, but will be catered too because those are the scores that matter most. Kids/Parents with money and resources will seek outside enrichment, move, or send their kids to private school. And families in the middle are stuck with whatever they get, usually just seeing their kids get easy grades and learning little, and challenged even less.

Why is this surprising to you and what are you proposing? Algebra 1 in six at every school so you’re happy? SMH

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

Are you in MCPS and not FCPS? My similar FCPS child was skipped ahead a couple years in math at his Title I ES, allowing him to take Algebra in 5th. Lower income schools might not have a specific program for handling very advanced children, but they certainly can and do skip outliers ahead on a case by case basis.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

You have a really warped view of what schools should and can offer based on some scores your child had. You essentially homeschool your kid to speed up through the curriculum and expect the school to bend to you every whim. What would have made you happy? Have the school set up a one student class for your prodigy? If you’d be less entitled and demanding and try to work out a solution with the school, you’d have been more successful in providing appropriate opportunities for your child.

My kids are slightly above average and in no way requiring or asking for Algebra I in 6th grade, so you missed it on that one, but they are subject to the latest trend in slowing instruction to close gaps and suffer in a different way but for the same reasons a super gifted child would. This affects everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

You have a really warped view of what schools should and can offer based on some scores your child had. You essentially homeschool your kid to speed up through the curriculum and expect the school to bend to you every whim. What would have made you happy? Have the school set up a one student class for your prodigy? If you’d be less entitled and demanding and try to work out a solution with the school, you’d have been more successful in providing appropriate opportunities for your child.

My kids are slightly above average and in no way requiring or asking for Algebra I in 6th grade, so you missed it on that one, but they are subject to the latest trend in slowing instruction to close gaps and suffer in a different way but for the same reasons a super gifted child would. This affects everyone.

Then what is your point. My kid is doing this track and it’s been fine. Why would you slow down a smart kid?

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

Are you in MCPS and not FCPS? My similar FCPS child was skipped ahead a couple years in math at his Title I ES, allowing him to take Algebra in 5th. Lower income schools might not have a specific program for handling very advanced children, but they certainly can and do skip outliers ahead on a case by case basis.

It may not be mcps as standard for aim is in 6th. My kid was offered algebra in 6th and skipped aim. Aim is prealgebra. Very rare for mcps to allow in 5th. We are at a low income school.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

Well, we don't have these opportunities now. Maybe we never did. You think they'd try to meet kids where they are instead of this one size fits all approach which doesn't work. In the end, many kids lose out.

Well the middle loses out. Kids and by extension Parents that dont care, never will, but will be catered too because those are the scores that matter most. Kids/Parents with money and resources will seek outside enrichment, move, or send their kids to private school. And families in the middle are stuck with whatever they get, usually just seeing their kids get easy grades and learning little, and challenged even less.

Why is this surprising to you and what are you proposing? Algebra 1 in six at every school so you’re happy? SMH

Middle kids in mcps take algebra in 7th or 8th. That’s standard now. Few outliers take it in 6th and 9th.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

You have a really warped view of what schools should and can offer based on some scores your child had. You essentially homeschool your kid to speed up through the curriculum and expect the school to bend to you every whim. What would have made you happy? Have the school set up a one student class for your prodigy? If you’d be less entitled and demanding and try to work out a solution with the school, you’d have been more successful in providing appropriate opportunities for your child.

My kids are slightly above average and in no way requiring or asking for Algebra I in 6th grade, so you missed it on that one, but they are subject to the latest trend in slowing instruction to close gaps and suffer in a different way but for the same reasons a super gifted child would. This affects everyone.

Then what is your point. My kid is doing this track and it’s been fine. Why would you slow down a smart kid?

My point is that the very people that are claiming that these opportunities arent available for these underrepresented schools are the very people that dont support the measures that would make those opporunities available for these underrepresented schools. No one should be slowed down. But that isnt equitable.

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The issue is some people hear Algebra 1 is offered in 6th grade at some school and they demand it for their progeny, regardless if their school has resources, or even if the child would be appropriately placed. If that doesn’t happen they cry unfairness, even when their child benefited from enrichment, prepping and far more opportunities then most students.

There’s also this misunderstanding that acceleration is a golden ticket to good outcomes, which is probably why people get so worked up about it. Not necessarily, there are kids who do well, but just as many are done with math early because they were accelerated when they shouldn’t have been.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is some people hear Algebra 1 is offered in 6th grade at some school and they demand it for their progeny, regardless if their school has resources, or even if the child would be appropriately placed. If that doesn’t happen they cry unfairness, even when their child benefited from enrichment, prepping and far more opportunities then most students.

There’s also this misunderstanding that acceleration is a golden ticket to good outcomes, which is probably why people get so worked up about it. Not necessarily, there are kids who do well, but just as many are done with math early because they were accelerated when they shouldn’t have been.

I think we all know it's not a golden ticket to anything and they aren't done with math early as they go on to take other math classes. If they need to slow down, they have that option too in the future.

Algebra can be offered at all schools. They combine the 6th graders with 7/8 graders. The issue isn't Algebra or Geometry as most middle schools offer that but the issue comes in during 8th grade as most middle schools don't offer Algebra 2 as they don't have enough students or a qualified teacher so those kids are bussed to the high school or take it virtually (now if its an option). It's very easy for them to offer Algebra in 6th. That's not the problem. It's what to do with an 8th grader who needs Algebra 2. Its not idea to send a 13/14 year old into a high school in a class that often has 15-16 year olds in it (though its never been an issue for my child).

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Anonymous wrote:If your child took Alg I in 6th grade, what did high school look like for them as far as math tracks?

In MCPS can take classes like: Analysis 2, AP Statistics, Sports Statistics, Logic, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, and Complex Analysis after Calc BC.

The only problem there is Algebra is only offered in MCPS to 6th graders who

1) Went to a wealthy Potomac ES that offers AIM in 5th grade
2) Goes to a wealthy Potomac MS that allows students with >250 MAP-M to take it in 6th

Most ES or MS don't have this allow this. DC, who went to a regular ES and even the magnet MS had 250 MAP-M at age 8 and 290s in 6th did not have that option. My point is it has more to do with which school you attend than your child's mathematical aptitude.

Aren’t you bored posting the same thing in every algebra thread on dcum?

What you are saying it’s not true, it’s not clear what test your child took, what’s the school policy etc. a lot of times parents use one datapoint to demand placement as if it’s an mandatory outcome. If your child is a true 290 on the MAP 6+ in 6th grade they’d be in the 99% of 12th graders and they would be tested on prealgebra, algebra 1 and 2, geometry and precalculus questions. Trust me that there would be no reason for your child to take Algebra 1 at that point. Most likely the child is bright, but nonetheless took MAP 2-5 that only tests arithmetic and not prealgebra, and is not a good indicator or algebra readiness. The school probably looked at more data points and coupled with the fact that likely you’re a pain to deal with decided not to accommodate your request because they assessed that it wouldn’t be in the interest of your child’s education.

They’re no public school that can educate the type of student you describe, only viable option is homeschooling. It just sounds like you have an axe to grind or making excuses.

The child scored 250 at age 8 at the beginning of 3rd on the MAP-M for grades 3-5 and 290 on MAP-M for grades 6-8 at age 11. The child went on to place in the top 3 in several statewide math contests and qualified for AIME in 7th. Unfortunately, Algebra is a graduation requirement and you can't skip it despite the higher test scores. I mostly regret that being at a lower-income school deprived them of the same opportunities that are available to many others with less ability.

So why didn’t you move them to a better school?

I think the point is they shouldn't have to. An issue that comes with TJ is how there are fewer kids who took Algebra 2 in 8th grade now that selection is less concentrated in a few wealthy schools. Acceleration is used as a golden ticket to these elite opportunities, but it isn't always available at all schools. A child could be a true prodigy but if they don't happen to live in the boundary of a school with these options they're out of luck.

Unfortunately, the exact thing that all schools should have, access to advanced tracks/curriculums and other enrichment opportunities are the exact things that people will claim are some form of segregation and want to remove shortly after. You cant have acceleration without selecting some kids and not others. This will usually fall on lines of parental involvement and in part some natural ability, which only goes so far without parental involvement.

They will remove these opportunities and claim it hurts the less fortunate. And then they will say, we dont have these opportunities that wealthy schools have.

You have a really warped view of what schools should and can offer based on some scores your child had. You essentially homeschool your kid to speed up through the curriculum and expect the school to bend to you every whim. What would have made you happy? Have the school set up a one student class for your prodigy? If you’d be less entitled and demanding and try to work out a solution with the school, you’d have been more successful in providing appropriate opportunities for your child.

My kids are slightly above average and in no way requiring or asking for Algebra I in 6th grade, so you missed it on that one, but they are subject to the latest trend in slowing instruction to close gaps and suffer in a different way but for the same reasons a super gifted child would. This affects everyone.

Then what is your point. My kid is doing this track and it’s been fine. Why would you slow down a smart kid?

My point is that the very people that are claiming that these opportunities arent available for these underrepresented schools are the very people that dont support the measures that would make those opporunities available for these underrepresented schools. No one should be slowed down. But that isnt equitable.

You keep ranting about this but you honestly have no idea what is going on. In MCPS the lower income schools are more likely to offer it to keep the students at the home schools but there is no point in listing them as its not schools you'd send your child to and if they were you'd be there. MCCPTA made a list.