NVSL Seeding is out!

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Anonymous wrote:What team had the biggest fall in standings and what team had the biggest rise?

Risers:
Mansion House +3
Holmes Run Acres +3
Fox Mill Woods +3
Kings Ridge +3
Hunter Mill +2
Poplar Heights +2
Parklawn +2
Fox Hunt +2
Truro +2
Laurel Hill +2


Fallers:
Rutherford -4
Waynewood -3
Greenbriar -3
Riverside Gardens -3
Fairfax Club Estates -3
Dowden Terrace -2
Brandywine -2
Country Club Hills -2
Lakeview -2
Highland Park -2
Hayfield Farm -2


Biggest moves are largely concentrated in Divisions 8-13.

Didn't Rutherford have a huge fall last year?

They were D10 in 2021, D11 last year, now D15 in 2023.

rutherford lost some good swimmers in 2021.

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Anonymous wrote:Whats the dowden effect?

Dowden used to be a very low division team. In fact, they were that way forever. It is a very small pool with poor facilities. They were able to land Evan Stiles (AAC) and then all of the sudden they had all these amazing swimmers. He brought all of his swimmers with him. The made it up to division one - they were the tribute that year and they got the snot kicked out of them. They are now division five, because they have no young swimmers on that team.

Dang, we are division 5. I don't want to drive all the way to Alexandria to swim at a crappy pool.

Then don't go. It's summer swim and it's supposed to be fun. It isn't fun if you are rude and unpleasant.

That "crappy pool" has my family's neighborhood pool since my kids were babies, and it is also Coach Evan's neighborhood pool. If you don't want to come here and it's an away meet for you all, just skip the meet.

are you talking about dowden terrace? We swam against them last year in D3. It is not a super lux facility- but the team, parents and volunteers were all really nice. I really enjoyed the meet there.

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Anonymous wrote:Whats the dowden effect?

Dowden used to be a very low division team. In fact, they were that way forever. It is a very small pool with poor facilities. They were able to land Evan Stiles (AAC) and then all of the sudden they had all these amazing swimmers. He brought all of his swimmers with him. The made it up to division one - they were the tribute that year and they got the snot kicked out of them. They are now division five, because they have no young swimmers on that team.

Dang, we are division 5. I don't want to drive all the way to Alexandria to swim at a crappy pool.

LOL! We have pools we do B meets with that I am absolutely like, ugh, we are skipping this one.

Who has the best, nicest pools? Who has the worst?

Some of the worse - Dowden and Edsall Park.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't know what Overlee does or doesn't recruit or bump people to the front of the line, but statistically it seems odd that all the faster swimmers are in that geographical area and able to be members of a pool with a ten year waitlist. With such a long waitlist they should go through droughts of talent if not actively recruiting. The other pools do recruit - Overlee says it does not.


You do realize that Overlee is third in its division? It doesn’t have the depth or movement of new swimmers into its program that other teams do. It has a lot of families and a lot of club swimmers to pull from. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to believe and accept that there isn’t anything more to it than that. Look at the results from the past few summers - you will see it’s the same older kids finishing well each season and some new 8&u. It’s summer swim - it’s supposed to be fun.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't know what Overlee does or doesn't recruit or bump people to the front of the line, but statistically it seems odd that all the faster swimmers are in that geographical area and able to be members of a pool with a ten year waitlist. With such a long waitlist they should go through droughts of talent if not actively recruiting. The other pools do recruit - Overlee says it does not.


You do realize that Overlee is third in its division? It doesn’t have the depth or movement of new swimmers into its program that other teams do. It has a lot of families and a lot of club swimmers to pull from. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to believe and accept that there isn’t anything more to it than that. Look at the results from the past few summers - you will see it’s the same older kids finishing well each season and some new 8&u. It’s summer swim - it’s supposed to be fun.

Why so defensive that people think that they recruit like the other pools in its division do?

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't know what Overlee does or doesn't recruit or bump people to the front of the line, but statistically it seems odd that all the faster swimmers are in that geographical area and able to be members of a pool with a ten year waitlist. With such a long waitlist they should go through droughts of talent if not actively recruiting. The other pools do recruit - Overlee says it does not.


You do realize that Overlee is third in its division? It doesn’t have the depth or movement of new swimmers into its program that other teams do. It has a lot of families and a lot of club swimmers to pull from. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to believe and accept that there isn’t anything more to it than that. Look at the results from the past few summers - you will see it’s the same older kids finishing well each season and some new 8&u. It’s summer swim - it’s supposed to be fun.

Why so defensive that people think that they recruit like the other pools in its division do?

NP. Because pools that recruit are nuts and clearly that’s what most people think.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

It's my understanding that the D1 pools recruit.


Only the perennial top 3. Not Highland and not Donaldson Run (where you have to live within the tiny boundary).
The lower division pools are absolutely neighborhood pools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

It's my understanding that the D1 pools recruit.

Only the perennial top 3. Not Highland and not Donaldson Run (where you have to live within the tiny boundary).
The lower division pools are absolutely neighborhood pools.

Exactly. The D1 pools are recruiting and funneling kids to the D1 college teams. Spot on. It’s all coming together now.

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The absolute nicest pool is Virginia Run. Went to a B meet there and they ran ten lanes, we were out by 8:30!

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I can’t imagine anyone caring so much about this that they post about it in March.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Unfounded rumor.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

No. It doesn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

It's my understanding that the D1 pools recruit.

The lower division pools are absolutely neighborhood pools.

Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe do. Not all D1 pools recruit.

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Virginia run and little Rocky run are great pools

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Anonymous wrote:The absolute nicest pool is Virginia Run. Went to a B meet there and they ran ten lanes, we were out by 8:30!

It's like a country club! My younger kid had cotton candy and didn't complain the whole A meet! And they don't pay a separate pool fee, it's part of their HOA.