NVSL Seeding is out!

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Anonymous wrote:I am a rep for a top third team and as we moved up I started getting more emails from families telling me that their kid would be the perfect addition to my team. They had fast kids and disclosed their club times so I would know just how fast their kiddo was.

I always asked if they were pool members and they would say no. I would tell them to sign up on the waitlist (about three years) and we would see them then.

Parents would get so mad and tell me that I should let them cut the line etc. It is a thing. I know families that have been recruited by coaches. It is just not something we do.

We tell our coaches we don't recruit, they our swimmers have to come from membership and there is not cutting the line. Even if the kid swims for our coach at their club.[/quote]

The Dowden effect????

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Whats the dowden effect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whats the dowden effect?

Their whole team is AAC and St. Stephens because of the head coach for Dowden is also the head coach at St. Stephens and AAC. Dowden is not much of a neighborhood pool and the pool itself puts the swim team first. So they are less of a community pool and more of a club/HS spin off team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whats the dowden effect?

Dowden used to be a very low division team. In fact, they were that way forever. It is a very small pool with poor facilities. They were able to land Evan Stiles (AAC) and then all of the sudden they had all these amazing swimmers. He brought all of his swimmers with him. The made it up to division one - they were the tribute that year and they got the snot kicked out of them. They are now division five, because they have no young swimmers on that team.

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What team had the biggest fall in standings and what team had the biggest rise?

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

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Anonymous wrote:What team had the biggest fall in standings and what team had the biggest rise?

Kings Ridge, Fox Mill Woods, Holmes Run, Mansion House all moved up three divisions.

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Anonymous wrote:What team had the biggest fall in standings and what team had the biggest rise?

The most any team went up or down was 3 divisions.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What team had the biggest fall in standings and what team had the biggest rise?

Risers:
Mansion House +3
Holmes Run Acres +3
Fox Mill Woods +3
Kings Ridge +3
Hunter Mill +2
Poplar Heights +2
Parklawn +2
Fox Hunt +2
Truro +2
Laurel Hill +2


Fallers:
Rutherford -4
Waynewood -3
Greenbriar -3
Riverside Gardens -3
Fairfax Club Estates -3
Dowden Terrace -2
Brandywine -2
Country Club Hills -2
Lakeview -2
Highland Park -2
Hayfield Farm -2


Biggest moves are largely concentrated in Divisions 8-13.

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Where is the list posted?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What team had the biggest fall in standings and what team had the biggest rise?

Risers:
Mansion House +3
Holmes Run Acres +3
Fox Mill Woods +3
Kings Ridge +3
Hunter Mill +2
Poplar Heights +2
Parklawn +2
Fox Hunt +2
Truro +2
Laurel Hill +2


Fallers:
Rutherford -4
Waynewood -3
Greenbriar -3
Riverside Gardens -3
Fairfax Club Estates -3
Dowden Terrace -2
Brandywine -2
Country Club Hills -2
Lakeview -2
Highland Park -2
Hayfield Farm -2


Biggest moves are largely concentrated in Divisions 8-13.

Didn't Rutherford have a huge fall last year?

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

Overlee has a real estate transfer provision in their membership rules. So yeah, someone could move to town and the membership could be transferred with the real estate transaction. This doesn't happen often. The family selling their house needs to be leaving the area entirely to not want their membership anymore. And most people who have a membership to begin with are fairly entrenched in the area given how long it takes to even get in this pool.

That's not recruiting a swimmer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What team had the biggest fall in standings and what team had the biggest rise?

Risers:
Mansion House +3
Holmes Run Acres +3
Fox Mill Woods +3
Kings Ridge +3
Hunter Mill +2
Poplar Heights +2
Parklawn +2
Fox Hunt +2
Truro +2
Laurel Hill +2


Fallers:
Rutherford -4
Waynewood -3
Greenbriar -3
Riverside Gardens -3
Fairfax Club Estates -3
Dowden Terrace -2
Brandywine -2
Country Club Hills -2
Lakeview -2
Highland Park -2
Hayfield Farm -2


Biggest moves are largely concentrated in Divisions 8-13.

Didn't Rutherford have a huge fall last year?

They were D10 in 2021, D11 last year, now D15 in 2023.