NVSL Seeding is out!

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Can someone explain why they make the huge jumps? Instead of just moving up and down one division? Some of those pools with big jumps didn’t even win their division.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is the list posted?

https://twitter.com/swimNVSL/status/1637565495216943110/photo/1

https://www.mynvsl.com/

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't know what Overlee does or doesn't recruit or bump people to the front of the line, but statistically it seems odd that all the faster swimmers are in that geographical area and able to be members of a pool with a ten year waitlist. With such a long waitlist they should go through droughts of talent if not actively recruiting. The other pools do recruit - Overlee says it does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why they make the huge jumps? Instead of just moving up and down one division? Some of those pools with big jumps didn’t even win their division.

They also factor in relay carnival and what the reps put in their end of year survey. Sometimes they have to move a team because they do not have a good place to move them.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why they make the huge jumps? Instead of just moving up and down one division? Some of those pools with big jumps didn’t even win their division.

All of the teams making big jumps were 4-1 or better. Maybe they lost a close meet to a 5-0 team when a couple of their best swimmers were out with COVID last summer or maybe the balance of their team is stronger in odd years than even years (more kids at top of their age group). Lots of factors going into seeding the teams. The objective is always to create as much parity as possible within each of the 17 divisions. For the teams that I'm familiar with the seedings make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

It's my understanding that the D1 pools recruit.

The lower division pools are absolutely neighborhood pools.

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Anonymous wrote:Whats the dowden effect?

Dowden used to be a very low division team. In fact, they were that way forever. It is a very small pool with poor facilities. They were able to land Evan Stiles (AAC) and then all of the sudden they had all these amazing swimmers. He brought all of his swimmers with him. The made it up to division one - they were the tribute that year and they got the snot kicked out of them. They are now division five, because they have no young swimmers on that team.

Dang, we are division 5. I don't want to drive all the way to Alexandria to swim at a crappy pool.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't understand how magically, only the Overlee zip codes have among the fastest swimmers in northern va. You don't recruit, you don't ever let anyone jump the waitlist...how long is the pool waitlist? 10 years?

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't know what Overlee does or doesn't recruit or bump people to the front of the line, but statistically it seems odd that all the faster swimmers are in that geographical area and able to be members of a pool with a ten year waitlist. With such a long waitlist they should go through droughts of talent if not actively recruiting. The other pools do recruit - Overlee says it does not.

Overlee has a bigger membership. 800 families. many other nsvl pools are in the 250-400 family range. Having double the number of potential fast swimmers makes a big difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why they make the huge jumps? Instead of just moving up and down one division? Some of those pools with big jumps didn’t even win their division.

Kids on the winning teams may be aging out, the strong kids on the team that made the jump may be primarily on the young end of age groups. Our pool rose two and dropped two under both of those circumstances at different points

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Anonymous wrote:Whats the dowden effect?

Dowden used to be a very low division team. In fact, they were that way forever. It is a very small pool with poor facilities. They were able to land Evan Stiles (AAC) and then all of the sudden they had all these amazing swimmers. He brought all of his swimmers with him. The made it up to division one - they were the tribute that year and they got the snot kicked out of them. They are now division five, because they have no young swimmers on that team.

Dang, we are division 5. I don't want to drive all the way to Alexandria to swim at a crappy pool.

LOL! We have pools we do B meets with that I am absolutely like, ugh, we are skipping this one.

Who has the best, nicest pools? Who has the worst?

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Anonymous wrote:Whats the dowden effect?

Dowden used to be a very low division team. In fact, they were that way forever. It is a very small pool with poor facilities. They were able to land Evan Stiles (AAC) and then all of the sudden they had all these amazing swimmers. He brought all of his swimmers with him. The made it up to division one - they were the tribute that year and they got the snot kicked out of them. They are now division five, because they have no young swimmers on that team.

Dang, we are division 5. I don't want to drive all the way to Alexandria to swim at a crappy pool.

LOL! We have pools we do B meets with that I am absolutely like, ugh, we are skipping this one.

Who has the best, nicest pools? Who has the worst?

The top three teams- Overlee, Chesterbrook, Tuckahoe- all have very nice pools.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't know what Overlee does or doesn't recruit or bump people to the front of the line, but statistically it seems odd that all the faster swimmers are in that geographical area and able to be members of a pool with a ten year waitlist. With such a long waitlist they should go through droughts of talent if not actively recruiting. The other pools do recruit - Overlee says it does not.

Overlee has a bigger membership. 800 families. many other nsvl pools are in the 250-400 family range. Having double the number of potential fast swimmers makes a big difference.

Overlee is also no pretty regularly behind Tuckahoe and Chesterbrook...the two teams that do recruit.

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Anonymous wrote:Whats the dowden effect?

Dowden used to be a very low division team. In fact, they were that way forever. It is a very small pool with poor facilities. They were able to land Evan Stiles (AAC) and then all of the sudden they had all these amazing swimmers. He brought all of his swimmers with him. The made it up to division one - they were the tribute that year and they got the snot kicked out of them. They are now division five, because they have no young swimmers on that team.

Dang, we are division 5. I don't want to drive all the way to Alexandria to swim at a crappy pool.

Then don't go. It's summer swim and it's supposed to be fun. It isn't fun if you are rude and unpleasant.

That "crappy pool" has my family's neighborhood pool since my kids were babies, and it is also Coach Evan's neighborhood pool. If you don't want to come here and it's an away meet for you all, just skip the meet.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't know what Overlee does or doesn't recruit or bump people to the front of the line, but statistically it seems odd that all the faster swimmers are in that geographical area and able to be members of a pool with a ten year waitlist. With such a long waitlist they should go through droughts of talent if not actively recruiting. The other pools do recruit - Overlee says it does not.

Overlee has a bigger membership. 800 families. many other nsvl pools are in the 250-400 family range. Having double the number of potential fast swimmers makes a big difference.

Overlee is also now pretty regularly behind Tuckahoe and Chesterbrook...the two teams that do recruit.