MCAP

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Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:

31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.

great to be front of the pack, mcps

That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.

MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?

Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.

Well then how do you explain other counties doing consistently better?

Which other counties are doing consistently better, since this is just the 2nd year they have given this test?

I don't know if it's consistent, but the report shows that in Math 3-8 Howard, Worcester, Carroll and Calvert did better. For Algebra those + Queen Anne, Frederick and Garrett.

Can you share an actual link to credible data? Sorry there's so much heresay it's hard to really take anything else seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:

31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.

great to be front of the pack, mcps

That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.

MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?

Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.

Well then how do you explain other counties doing consistently better?

Which other counties are doing consistently better, since this is just the 2nd year they have given this test?

I don't know if it's consistent, but the report shows that in Math 3-8 Howard, Worcester, Carroll and Calvert did better. For Algebra those + Queen Anne, Frederick and Garrett.

Can you share an actual link to credible data? Sorry there's so much heresay it's hard to really take anything else seriously.

dp.. it was on pg 1 of the thread

https://marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2023/0124/MCAPAssessmentResultsPart2.pdf?fbclid=IwAR19caTjETu8-Naw_VSjxABnyIX1G6jylZjrQ5t1RnjBHZUjrNl89_xGlO8&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:algebra 1 proficiency rate is only 20% in mcps, very impressive.

IMO the reason for this is:

1. math requires repetition, be it classwork or HW. During the pandemic, there was very little of either. Pre-pandemic there was some; post pandemic, too many MS are focused on "social emotional" learning rather than academic learning, so again, very little HW.

2. reading doesn't require HW. They read in social studies, in science, even in math, so they get plenty of reading "practice"

3. I noted that Asian Americans students saw a steep decline. This goes against what some believe that majority of Asian American students have math tutors. The numbers indicate that they didn't have tutors during the pandemic, at least.

Algebra is the most important math class. These numbers are truly abysmal, and it will become more obvious as the kids get into higher level math.

FWIW, my DC was taking Algebra during the virtual learning during the pandemic. I saw the grades slide, so I got them an Algebra workbook online. I didn't tutor DC, just had DC do extra work because I was afraid of exactly what the data is showing. DC's Algebra MCAP score was "approached expectations". I guess I should've tutored DC. And yea, I'm Asian American.

If I look at the MCPS Fall 2021 MCAP for Alg:
94% approached expectations
5% met
1% exceeded

There's nothing we can do about the past, but we can certainly learn from it, and fix it going forward. And that includes more math HW. But still, I'm not seeing much math HW. DC is now in Alg 2, getting an A/B. I fear what will happen in Precalc/Calc.

Is there any place where this test has been used where students met expectations? No, it's a new test they just made up and it's never been used so the results aren't meaningful, but the other national tests that are given indicate that students are doing great compared to their peers in other states.

like what? What other district wide Alg test was there?

[Anonymous]

A lot of heads in sand on this thread.

[Anonymous]

I'm not in MCPS, but our county released them the other day and they're beyond terrible. The solution? "We have virtual tutors." Yeah, no. These school systems that wouldn't reopen really damaged these kids academically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in MCPS, but our county released them the other day and they're beyond terrible. The solution? "We have virtual tutors." Yeah, no. These school systems that wouldn't reopen really damaged these kids academically.

oh mcps has virtual tutors, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in MCPS, but our county released them the other day and they're beyond terrible. The solution? "We have virtual tutors." Yeah, no. These school systems that wouldn't reopen really damaged these kids academically.

They damaged their mental health, too. Lots broken, and not a lot of creative problem solving to get things back on track. Quite literally, there's no support for the kids in math. They're expected to carry on with the next level despite having missed a massive amount of material. Some teachers realize this and stop and fill in, but others just keep moving forward with the curriculum and the kids have to catch up on their own. At a certain level of math, lots of parents can't remember/help any more, so it is either get a tutor or fall behind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in MCPS, but our county released them the other day and they're beyond terrible. The solution? "We have virtual tutors." Yeah, no. These school systems that wouldn't reopen really damaged these kids academically.

MCPS is doing the same!

Throwing more taxpayer money at a problem they created. MCPS can’t actually teach our kids Math, so now they pay an independent private company to pick up the slack.

I guess it’s our version of ‘school choice’. You get your choice of tutor!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in MCPS, but our county released them the other day and they're beyond terrible. The solution? "We have virtual tutors." Yeah, no. These school systems that wouldn't reopen really damaged these kids academically.

MCPS is doing the same!

Throwing more taxpayer money at a problem they created. MCPS can’t actually teach our kids Math, so now they pay an independent private company to pick up the slack.

I guess it’s our version of ‘school choice’. You get your choice of tutor!

Seems like you people need a new hobby. This is crazytown and seems to be harming your mental health mostly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in MCPS, but our county released them the other day and they're beyond terrible. The solution? "We have virtual tutors." Yeah, no. These school systems that wouldn't reopen really damaged these kids academically.

It looks like they're fine for mcps but this new test needs to be calibrated better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in MCPS, but our county released them the other day and they're beyond terrible. The solution? "We have virtual tutors." Yeah, no. These school systems that wouldn't reopen really damaged these kids academically.

Our virtual tutor has been fantastic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in MCPS, but our county released them the other day and they're beyond terrible. The solution? "We have virtual tutors." Yeah, no. These school systems that wouldn't reopen really damaged these kids academically.

It looks like they're fine for mcps but this new test needs to be calibrated better.

Exactly, it's a new test that was never used anywhere before, so these ratings like 31% proficient aren't especially meaningful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in MCPS, but our county released them the other day and they're beyond terrible. The solution? "We have virtual tutors." Yeah, no. These school systems that wouldn't reopen really damaged these kids academically.

They damaged their mental health, too. Lots broken, and not a lot of creative problem solving to get things back on track. Quite literally, there's no support for the kids in math. They're expected to carry on with the next level despite having missed a massive amount of material. Some teachers realize this and stop and fill in, but others just keep moving forward with the curriculum and the kids have to catch up on their own. At a certain level of math, lots of parents can't remember/help any more, so it is either get a tutor or fall behind.

Enough with the mental health nonsense. If your kid has mental health issues, what are you doing about it. If MCPS is so bad for your kid, remove them. My kid gets tons of support in math as we use the free tutors and as parents, we also help. They didn't miss massive amounts, they missed a few blocks. MCPS is watered down because parents wanted it that way. Get a workbook and work with your kids if you don't want the free tutoring. But, wait, it's easier to complain than help your kids. School has been back in person for two years now so you need a new excuse. The curriculum sucks but that's what we have so make the best of it. We watched what was missed - it was a few minor sections we did on our own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:

31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.

great to be front of the pack, mcps

That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.

MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?

Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.

Well then how do you explain other counties doing consistently better?

Which other counties are doing consistently better, since this is just the 2nd year they have given this test?

PARCC, MCAP, not that different, and they've been conducting those state level exams for several years. And there are a few counties that consistently do better. I don't know what their FARMs look like, but if it's on par with MCPS, then really, there's no excuse.

Except they're different tests. One has been used extensively whereas the other is new and unproven.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in MCPS, but our county released them the other day and they're beyond terrible. The solution? "We have virtual tutors." Yeah, no. These school systems that wouldn't reopen really damaged these kids academically.

They damaged their mental health, too. Lots broken, and not a lot of creative problem solving to get things back on track. Quite literally, there's no support for the kids in math. They're expected to carry on with the next level despite having missed a massive amount of material. Some teachers realize this and stop and fill in, but others just keep moving forward with the curriculum and the kids have to catch up on their own. At a certain level of math, lots of parents can't remember/help any more, so it is either get a tutor or fall behind.

Enough with the mental health nonsense. If your kid has mental health issues, what are you doing about it. If MCPS is so bad for your kid, remove them. My kid gets tons of support in math as we use the free tutors and as parents, we also help. They didn't miss massive amounts, they missed a few blocks. MCPS is watered down because parents wanted it that way. Get a workbook and work with your kids if you don't want the free tutoring. But, wait, it's easier to complain than help your kids. School has been back in person for two years now so you need a new excuse. The curriculum sucks but that's what we have so make the best of it. We watched what was missed - it was a few minor sections we did on our own.

Not sure about their kid but judging from that post they have mental health issues.