Why doesn’t UVA admit more non-resident and international students?

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

UVA was founded in 1819, and, like many universities and college founded long ago, is landlocked by the city, roads and rail but you don’t complain about Yale or Harvard being built up around the campuses do you? And exactly what do you mean with the imprecise “years ago when they had the chance …?” I’d love to know exactly what you mean. And before you post again read up on the UVA Foundation whose job it is to buy up real estate whenever and wherever it can. But you would rather come on here and complain from a position of ignorance because you or a loved one didn’t get in, right? FWIW the UVA Foundation purchased 44 properties last year near the campus - for which locals criticize it! So imho it’s very “forward looking” and doing much better than my alma mater is. Also, the reason that UVA is a relatively small public is precisely why the legislature is pumping money into construction and develop at GMU, CNU snd the other 30+ Virginia campuses. Virginians are blessed with public choices on a part only with California -which is a much younger state , has much more land and didn’t start pumping money into its three level public system until the late 50s and 60s, so, yes, UCLA and Berkeley are large. Because they had room to grow with cheap land

+1. Read here about real estate acquisitions by the UVA Foundation. Uvafoundation.org. It recently bought the 80 room burnt out Econolodge at the corner of Emmet and Main in the heart of campus under a pseudonym because the owner kept giving UVA a preposterous price. That’s not “forward thinking” enough for you?

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Anonymous wrote:I would be happy if they took zero out of state or international students.

OOS PP here. I understand however if that ever happened the General Assembly would have to contribute a whole lot more to these schools than they do currently.
I also believe it benefits these institutions in many ways to have a geographically varied student body, even with a quota limiting its extent.
But as you are a taxpayer and as you no doubt have experienced some great VA students be denied, I can't blame you for the sentiment.

There is no demonstrable benefit to admitted OOS students other than financial. (Is a kid from Nebraska really that different from another kid from Virginia?)

But you as an OOS PP have no doubt experienced your kid getting denied, and I can understand you being butthurt about it.

I don't think we disagree a whole lot. Every year it seems more and more great VA students are denied admission to their own state schools, and I think that is pretty rough, considering you all are taxpayers. I agree with the quotas my state has too, and also wish the legislature would fund better. I was an OOS at a VA university and my child will be next year. If VA would go the way of UNC with limiting OOS even more, it would be understandable.

If "great VA students" are getting denied "to their own state schools," I'm going to guess they aren't applying to enough of them.

90% to 100%: GMU, Longwood, ODU, Radford, VCU, VSU, community colleges
80% to 90% - CNU, JMU, NFU, UMW, UVA Wise

Because SCHEV person is probably starting their engines, county by county % here: https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/b8_admissions_locality.asp

That’s pretty obvious. “Great” Virginua students don’t go to those schools. “Good” , “Average” and “Below Average” students like my DD go to them and for which I am very grateful they exist. The “Great” students fight for places at UVA and W&M and engineering at Tech. If that doesn’t work they go OOS and transfer in or do the guaranteed transfer program. If their parents can afford it, they go public or private OOS. Many “Great” Virginia students still use UVA as a safety for the ivies or other top SLACs. We could not afford that

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

UVA was founded in 1819, and, like many universities and college founded long ago, is landlocked by the city, roads and rail but you don’t complain about Yale or Harvard being built up around the campuses do you? And exactly what do you mean with the imprecise “years ago when they had the chance …?” I’d love to know exactly what you mean. And before you post again read up on the UVA Foundation whose job it is to buy up real estate whenever and wherever it can. But you would rather come on here and complain from a position of ignorance because you or a loved one didn’t get in, right? FWIW the UVA Foundation purchased 44 properties last year near the campus - for which locals criticize it! So imho it’s very “forward looking” and doing much better than my alma mater is. Also, the reason that UVA is a relatively small public is precisely why the legislature is pumping money into construction and develop at GMU, CNU snd the other 30+ Virginia campuses. Virginians are blessed with public choices on a part only with California -which is a much younger state , has much more land and didn’t start pumping money into its three level public system until the late 50s and 60s, so, yes, UCLA and Berkeley are large. Because they had room to grow with cheap land

+1. Read here about real estate acquisitions by the UVA Foundation. Uvafoundation.org. It recently bought the 80 room burnt out Econolodge at the corner of Emmet and Main in the heart of campus under a pseudonym because the owner kept giving UVA a preposterous price. That’s not “forward thinking” enough for you?

Dude, what are they gonna build there? Upperclass housing? Cross-disciplinary think-tank a la CAS Princeton?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d be happy if UVA had less than 10% OOS/international admits. It’s a state school. It should be serving Virginia students to the greatest extent possible.

Call your state rep. The ONLY way to change this is by funding the schools differently. We've gutted spending on higher education in this state and somehow, the politicians convinced us it's the colleges' fault.

UVA receives only 6% of its budget from the Commonwealtg. It’s unique in tgat it us almost entirely self-sufficient. What do you mean we’ve “guyted higher education in this state”? Most parents I know would kill for the higher Ed resources Virginia has. The only comparable system is California’s three-tier system but that’s almost exclusively for Californians now.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

UVA was founded in 1819, and, like many universities and college founded long ago, is landlocked by the city, roads and rail but you don’t complain about Yale or Harvard being built up around the campuses do you? And exactly what do you mean with the imprecise “years ago when they had the chance …?” I’d love to know exactly what you mean. And before you post again read up on the UVA Foundation whose job it is to buy up real estate whenever and wherever it can. But you would rather come on here and complain from a position of ignorance because you or a loved one didn’t get in, right? FWIW the UVA Foundation purchased 44 properties last year near the campus - for which locals criticize it! So imho it’s very “forward looking” and doing much better than my alma mater is. Also, the reason that UVA is a relatively small public is precisely why the legislature is pumping money into construction and develop at GMU, CNU snd the other 30+ Virginia campuses. Virginians are blessed with public choices on a part only with California -which is a much younger state , has much more land and didn’t start pumping money into its three level public system until the late 50s and 60s, so, yes, UCLA and Berkeley are large. Because they had room to grow with cheap land

+1. Read here about real estate acquisitions by the UVA Foundation. Uvafoundation.org. It recently bought the 80 room burnt out Econolodge at the corner of Emmet and Main in the heart of campus under a pseudonym because the owner kept giving UVA a preposterous price. That’s not “forward thinking” enough for you?

Dude, what are they gonna build there? Upperclass housing? Cross-disciplinary think-tank a la CAS Princeton?

I will ask. I know the person in charge of real estate acquisitions. It’s a choice piece of property. The larger parcel being developed across the street will be much needed dorms and classrooms . The owner has held out for years since the fire, as you know, but, then again, I doubt anyone who went to UVA uses the term “dude”. And why do you assume I’m a man? Pretty sexist of you. I’m guessing you are a rival Virginia tech student

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

UVA was founded in 1819, and, like many universities and college founded long ago, is landlocked by the city, roads and rail but you don’t complain about Yale or Harvard being built up around the campuses do you? And exactly what do you mean with the imprecise “years ago when they had the chance …?” I’d love to know exactly what you mean. And before you post again read up on the UVA Foundation whose job it is to buy up real estate whenever and wherever it can. But you would rather come on here and complain from a position of ignorance because you or a loved one didn’t get in, right? FWIW the UVA Foundation purchased 44 properties last year near the campus - for which locals criticize it! So imho it’s very “forward looking” and doing much better than my alma mater is. Also, the reason that UVA is a relatively small public is precisely why the legislature is pumping money into construction and develop at GMU, CNU snd the other 30+ Virginia campuses. Virginians are blessed with public choices on a part only with California -which is a much younger state , has much more land and didn’t start pumping money into its three level public system until the late 50s and 60s, so, yes, UCLA and Berkeley are large. Because they had room to grow with cheap land

+1. Read here about real estate acquisitions by the UVA Foundation. Uvafoundation.org. It recently bought the 80 room burnt out Econolodge at the corner of Emmet and Main in the heart of campus under a pseudonym because the owner kept giving UVA a preposterous price. That’s not “forward thinking” enough for you?

Dude, what are they gonna build there? Upperclass housing? Cross-disciplinary think-tank a la CAS Princeton?

The old Econo lodge property will be the new Data Science center, a hotel and a conference center

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

UVA was founded in 1819, and, like many universities and college founded long ago, is landlocked by the city, roads and rail but you don’t complain about Yale or Harvard being built up around the campuses do you? And exactly what do you mean with the imprecise “years ago when they had the chance …?” I’d love to know exactly what you mean. And before you post again read up on the UVA Foundation whose job it is to buy up real estate whenever and wherever it can. But you would rather come on here and complain from a position of ignorance because you or a loved one didn’t get in, right? FWIW the UVA Foundation purchased 44 properties last year near the campus - for which locals criticize it! So imho it’s very “forward looking” and doing much better than my alma mater is. Also, the reason that UVA is a relatively small public is precisely why the legislature is pumping money into construction and develop at GMU, CNU snd the other 30+ Virginia campuses. Virginians are blessed with public choices on a part only with California -which is a much younger state , has much more land and didn’t start pumping money into its three level public system until the late 50s and 60s, so, yes, UCLA and Berkeley are large. Because they had room to grow with cheap land

+1. Read here about real estate acquisitions by the UVA Foundation. Uvafoundation.org. It recently bought the 80 room burnt out Econolodge at the corner of Emmet and Main in the heart of campus under a pseudonym because the owner kept giving UVA a preposterous price. That’s not “forward thinking” enough for you?

Dude, what are they gonna build there? Upperclass housing? Cross-disciplinary think-tank a la CAS Princeton?

Since you inquired about developments and construction at UVA, here’s a recent list. https://www.fm.virginia.edu/depts/fpc/projects/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

UVA was founded in 1819, and, like many universities and college founded long ago, is landlocked by the city, roads and rail but you don’t complain about Yale or Harvard being built up around the campuses do you? And exactly what do you mean with the imprecise “years ago when they had the chance …?” I’d love to know exactly what you mean. And before you post again read up on the UVA Foundation whose job it is to buy up real estate whenever and wherever it can. But you would rather come on here and complain from a position of ignorance because you or a loved one didn’t get in, right? FWIW the UVA Foundation purchased 44 properties last year near the campus - for which locals criticize it! So imho it’s very “forward looking” and doing much better than my alma mater is. Also, the reason that UVA is a relatively small public is precisely why the legislature is pumping money into construction and develop at GMU, CNU snd the other 30+ Virginia campuses. Virginians are blessed with public choices on a part only with California -which is a much younger state , has much more land and didn’t start pumping money into its three level public system until the late 50s and 60s, so, yes, UCLA and Berkeley are large. Because they had room to grow with cheap land

I find it hard to believe that there was no available land to purchase in the adjacent area 70 years ago. That’s when schools like Michigan realized that their current campus was not going to be adequate to handle the growing student population that was occurring. Face it, UVA was too slow to react to changing times. Now top students in a state of over 8.5 million have an extremely difficult time in getting into a school that should easily be a match for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

UVA was founded in 1819, and, like many universities and college founded long ago, is landlocked by the city, roads and rail but you don’t complain about Yale or Harvard being built up around the campuses do you? And exactly what do you mean with the imprecise “years ago when they had the chance …?” I’d love to know exactly what you mean. And before you post again read up on the UVA Foundation whose job it is to buy up real estate whenever and wherever it can. But you would rather come on here and complain from a position of ignorance because you or a loved one didn’t get in, right? FWIW the UVA Foundation purchased 44 properties last year near the campus - for which locals criticize it! So imho it’s very “forward looking” and doing much better than my alma mater is. Also, the reason that UVA is a relatively small public is precisely why the legislature is pumping money into construction and develop at GMU, CNU snd the other 30+ Virginia campuses. Virginians are blessed with public choices on a part only with California -which is a much younger state , has much more land and didn’t start pumping money into its three level public system until the late 50s and 60s, so, yes, UCLA and Berkeley are large. Because they had room to grow with cheap land

+1. Read here about real estate acquisitions by the UVA Foundation. Uvafoundation.org. It recently bought the 80 room burnt out Econolodge at the corner of Emmet and Main in the heart of campus under a pseudonym because the owner kept giving UVA a preposterous price. That’s not “forward thinking” enough for you?

Dude, what are they gonna build there? Upperclass housing? Cross-disciplinary think-tank a la CAS Princeton?

I will ask. I know the person in charge of real estate acquisitions. It’s a choice piece of property. The larger parcel being developed across the street will be much needed dorms and classrooms . The owner has held out for years since the fire, as you know, but, then again, I doubt anyone who went to UVA uses the term “dude”. And why do you assume I’m a man? Pretty sexist of you. I’m guessing you are a rival Virginia tech student

DP. Why on earth would you drag VT into this? You sound extremely insecure. I assure you - VT students don't give you a second thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a state school, and they seek to serve the residents of that state. Who cares about meaningless rankings?

Who says the point of any public university is to serve only residents? Sounds like your own provincial outlook, not why any university was founded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d be happy if UVA had less than 10% OOS/international admits. It’s a state school. It should be serving Virginia students to the greatest extent possible.

Call your state rep. The ONLY way to change this is by funding the schools differently. We've gutted spending on higher education in this state and somehow, the politicians convinced us it's the colleges' fault.

UVA receives only 6% of its budget from the Commonwealtg. It’s unique in tgat it us almost entirely self-sufficient. What do you mean we’ve “guyted higher education in this state”? Most parents I know would kill for the higher Ed resources Virginia has. The only comparable system is California’s three-tier system but that’s almost exclusively for Californians now.

Over half of UVA's budget is the medical system and that is not funded by the state general funds and should not be since it operates like most hospitals on patient fees. That distorts the picture. UVA actually gets more from the state per in state student than most Virginia public colleges.

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“UVA doesn’t have room to expand” isn’t very convincing. No reason they couldn’t have satellite campuses like many schools do, and run a shuttle bus to and from the main campus.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d be happy if UVA had less than 10% OOS/international admits. It’s a state school. It should be serving Virginia students to the greatest extent possible.

Call your state rep. The ONLY way to change this is by funding the schools differently. We've gutted spending on higher education in this state and somehow, the politicians convinced us it's the colleges' fault.

UVA receives only 6% of its budget from the Commonwealtg. It’s unique in tgat it us almost entirely self-sufficient. What do you mean we’ve “guyted higher education in this state”? Most parents I know would kill for the higher Ed resources Virginia has. The only comparable system is California’s three-tier system but that’s almost exclusively for Californians now.

Over half of UVA's budget is the medical system and that is not funded by the state general funds and should not be since it operates like most hospitals on patient fees. That distorts the picture. UVA actually gets more from the state per in state student than most Virginia public colleges.

This is not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous[b wrote:]Don’t understand this thread. Usually DCUM screaming about the relatively large OOS percentage at UVA but OP wants more from OOS?? Weird.

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It is very weird. Virginia taxpayers are angry that so many UVA seats go to OOS and internationals - just as happened in California. After a petition out there, the U of Cal Board of Trustees voted to reduce OOS to 10% cap on all OOS and Internationals, effectively locking us DCUMers out. But, the move placated the CA taxpayers! UNC is the same at only 10% OOS and International. Texas is less than 10% and has very tough residency rules. It is only when you get to the huge schools in a low-population midwest state (Michigan, Wisconsin) do you see large OOS popluation. (Wisconsin has 35,474 students, 62% OOS).

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Anonymous[b wrote:]Don’t understand this thread. Usually DCUM screaming about the relatively large OOS percentage at UVA but OP wants more from OOS?? Weird.

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It is very weird. Virginia taxpayers are angry that so many UVA seats go to OOS and internationals - just as happened in California. After a petition out there, the U of Cal Board of Trustees voted to reduce OOS to 10% cap on all OOS and Internationals, effectively locking us DCUMers out. But, the move placated the CA taxpayers! UNC is the same at only 10% OOS and International. Texas is less than 10% and has very tough residency rules. It is only when you get to the huge schools in a low-population midwest state (Michigan, Wisconsin) do you see large OOS popluation. (Wisconsin has 35,474 students, 62% OOS).

Michigan is not a low population state. CA and TX all maintain large public flagships. That’s the problem with UVA, it’s too small for a state of its size.