Why doesn’t UVA admit more non-resident and international students?

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Anonymous wrote:I’d be happy if UVA had less than 10% OOS/international admits. It’s a state school. It should be serving Virginia students to the greatest extent possible.

Call your state rep. The ONLY way to change this is by funding the schools differently. We've gutted spending on higher education in this state and somehow, the politicians convinced us it's the colleges' fault.

UVA receives only 6% of its budget from the Commonwealtg. It’s unique in tgat it us almost entirely self-sufficient. What do you mean we’ve “guyted higher education in this state”? Most parents I know would kill for the higher Ed resources Virginia has. The only comparable system is California’s three-tier system but that’s almost exclusively for Californians now.

Over half of UVA's budget is the medical system and that is not funded by the state general funds and should not be since it operates like most hospitals on patient fees. That distorts the picture. UVA actually gets more from the state per in state student than most Virginia public colleges.

This is not true.

All true. Medical division budget is $2.7B vs. $2.1B for academic. General Fund does not fund the medical operations.

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2022/06/bov-finance-committee-approves-budgets-major-capital-projects?ct=content_open&cv=cbox_latest#:~:text=The%202022%2D23%20proposed%20operating%20budget%20for%20the%20academic%20division,percent%20increase%20over%20last%20year.

[Anonymous]

The econolodge property is not the one being developed for the data sciences and hotel. The property where those are going was a hotel and old gas station that was used by the outdoors club for gear storage.

The econolodge property is relatively small. I could maybe be a building, but they also desperately need parking down there.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Non-residents and international also bring in a boatload of money. Double the tuition revenue a commonwealth student pays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The econolodge property is not the one being developed for the data sciences and hotel. The property where those are going was a hotel and old gas station that was used by the outdoors club for gear storage.

The econolodge property is relatively small. I could maybe be a building, but they also desperately need parking down there.

The new data sciences complex is at the corner of Emmett and Ivy. It will be finished in 2024.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Non-residents and international also bring in a boatload of money. Double the tuition revenue a commonwealth student pays.

Which is important because UVA is self-sustaining except for the 6 million a year it receives from the Commonwealth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Michigan is MUCH larger than UVA and cannot fill its seats with top Michigan students so it must take in 50% OOS and international in order to climb the USNWR rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The econolodge property is not the one being developed for the data sciences and hotel. The property where those are going was a hotel and old gas station that was used by the outdoors club for gear storage.

The econolodge property is relatively small. I could maybe be a building, but they also desperately need parking down there.

The econolodge was razed in 2013. It is now a huge outdoor recreational center and admin office (to the north on Ivy) for Institutional Assessment and Studies

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Michigan is MUCH larger than UVA and cannot fill its seats with top Michigan students so it must take in 50% OOS and international in order to climb the USNWR rankings.

Cite a source that Michigan kids are too dumb to get in and it isn’t just a cash grab. Everyone knows the bar is actually LOWER for rich out of state and international applicants. International applicants especially are notorious for fraud.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The econolodge property is not the one being developed for the data sciences and hotel. The property where those are going was a hotel and old gas station that was used by the outdoors club for gear storage.

The econolodge property is relatively small. I could maybe be a building, but they also desperately need parking down there.

The econolodge was razed in 2013. It is now a huge outdoor recreational center and admin office (to the north on Ivy) for Institutional Assessment and Studies

They’re talking about the burned out motel. It’s across the street from the data sciences and convention center project.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The econolodge property is not the one being developed for the data sciences and hotel. The property where those are going was a hotel and old gas station that was used by the outdoors club for gear storage.

The econolodge property is relatively small. I could maybe be a building, but they also desperately need parking down there.

The econolodge was razed in 2013. It is now a huge outdoor recreational center and admin office (to the north on Ivy) for Institutional Assessment and Studies

They’re talking about the burned out motel. It’s across the street from the data sciences and convention center project.

The owner is trying to hold UVA hostage and they won't budge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The econolodge property is not the one being developed for the data sciences and hotel. The property where those are going was a hotel and old gas station that was used by the outdoors club for gear storage.

The econolodge property is relatively small. I could maybe be a building, but they also desperately need parking down there.

The econolodge was razed in 2013. It is now a huge outdoor recreational center and admin office (to the north on Ivy) for Institutional Assessment and Studies

They’re talking about the burned out motel. It’s across the street from the data sciences and convention center project.

The owner is trying to hold UVA hostage and they won't budge.

Someone in this thread said the UVA Foundation bought it under a pseudonym.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Non-residents and international also bring in a boatload of money. Double the tuition revenue a commonwealth student pays.

Which is important because UVA is self-sustaining except for the 6 million a year it receives from the Commonwealth.

$6M? Where in the world do you get that? It is over $200m for operating plus capital improvements which is probably a similar amount over the course of the biennium. Although the medical part doesn't get general fund appropriations, the state would be paying its share of fees through Medicaid, etc. Then there is also the tax free operation, which is huge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Non-residents and international also bring in a boatload of money. Double the tuition revenue a commonwealth student pays.

That’s no reason for Virginia residents to care or support bringing more of those kids in. If you live here, that doesn’t do your kid any good. Might even hurt your kid to the extent OOS/international shut out in-state kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Non-residents and international also bring in a boatload of money. Double the tuition revenue a commonwealth student pays.

That’s no reason for Virginia residents to care or support bringing more of those kids in. If you live here, that doesn’t do your kid any good. Might even hurt your kid to the extent OOS/international shut out in-state kids.

It can benefit in-state kids because they pay more than the cost of attendance, so they are in essence subsidizing in-state students.