Why doesn’t UVA admit more non-resident and international students?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Non-residents and international also bring in a boatload of money. Double the tuition revenue a commonwealth student pays.

That’s no reason for Virginia residents to care or support bringing more of those kids in. If you live here, that doesn’t do your kid any good. Might even hurt your kid to the extent OOS/international shut out in-state kids.

It can benefit in-state kids because they pay more than the cost of attendance, so they are in essence subsidizing in-state students.

You're really naive if you think any of that subsidy is going to get passed on to your in-state kid. If you're a Virginia resident, you'd be better off agitating for more state money going to the university rather than hoping that more OOS/international kids (who are, I repeat, likely going to displace Virginia kids) are going to somehow bring your costs down.

UVA is such a good deal for state residents that the optimum policy is really "UVA should admit zero OOS/international students, keep it all for in-state kids, we don't mind paying."

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Non-residents and international also bring in a boatload of money. Double the tuition revenue a commonwealth student pays.

That’s no reason for Virginia residents to care or support bringing more of those kids in. If you live here, that doesn’t do your kid any good. Might even hurt your kid to the extent OOS/international shut out in-state kids.

It can benefit in-state kids because they pay more than the cost of attendance, so they are in essence subsidizing in-state students.

You're really naive if you think any of that subsidy is going to get passed on to your in-state kid. If you're a Virginia resident, you'd be better off agitating for more state money going to the university rather than hoping that more OOS/international kids (who are, I repeat, likely going to displace Virginia kids) are going to somehow bring your costs down.

UVA is such a good deal for state residents that the optimum policy is really "UVA should admit zero OOS/international students, keep it all for in-state kids, we don't mind paying."

The tuition and fees they pay contribute to make UVA what it is, and they contribute significantly more toward than in state students. So don't think of it as a subsidy if you don't want to, but it balances the books.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Non-residents and international also bring in a boatload of money. Double the tuition revenue a commonwealth student pays.

That’s no reason for Virginia residents to care or support bringing more of those kids in. If you live here, that doesn’t do your kid any good. Might even hurt your kid to the extent OOS/international shut out in-state kids.

It can benefit in-state kids because they pay more than the cost of attendance, so they are in essence subsidizing in-state students.

You're really naive if you think any of that subsidy is going to get passed on to your in-state kid. If you're a Virginia resident, you'd be better off agitating for more state money going to the university rather than hoping that more OOS/international kids (who are, I repeat, likely going to displace Virginia kids) are going to somehow bring your costs down.

UVA is such a good deal for state residents that the optimum policy is really "UVA should admit zero OOS/international students, keep it all for in-state kids, we don't mind paying."

The tuition and fees they pay contribute to make UVA what it is, and they contribute significantly more toward than in state students. So don't think of it as a subsidy if you don't want to, but it balances the books.

Which does you no good, as a Virginia resident, if it means your kid can't attend because they're admitting more OOS/international students instead of in-state students.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

How do you know that UVA isn't "diverse and broadminded" enough already with the 30% OOS and 5% international that it already has? What level of each is required to achieve "diverse and broadminded" enough for you? Given that there are only a limited number of slots at UVA, and increasing OOS / international necessarily comes at the expense of in-state students, I can't see why any Virginia resident would care about increasing the number of OOS / international students for such a nebulous purpose.

But the main point is that Virginia residents have no reason to care that OOS / international students would supposedly "get UVA over the hump and into the top 20".

Non-residents and international also bring in a boatload of money. Double the tuition revenue a commonwealth student pays.

That’s no reason for Virginia residents to care or support bringing more of those kids in. If you live here, that doesn’t do your kid any good. Might even hurt your kid to the extent OOS/international shut out in-state kids.

It can benefit in-state kids because they pay more than the cost of attendance, so they are in essence subsidizing in-state students.

You're really naive if you think any of that subsidy is going to get passed on to your in-state kid. If you're a Virginia resident, you'd be better off agitating for more state money going to the university rather than hoping that more OOS/international kids (who are, I repeat, likely going to displace Virginia kids) are going to somehow bring your costs down.

[b]UVA is such a good deal for state residents that the optimum policy is really "UVA should admit [b]zero OOS/international students, keep it all for in-state kids, we don't mind paying."

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That is precisely what happened in California. The taxpayers got angry and the Regents listened so UCLA and Berkeley are now at 10% OOS/International. Same with Texas. Same with UNC.

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Anonymous wrote:Most states have a much lower percentage of OOS students at their state flagships. UNC is sub 20%, UT-Austin and UF are only 10% OOS, UC schools are sub 20%. Only Michigan, among the highly ranked state schools, is higher OOS.

Actually uva and Berkeley are less than 10 percent. UNC is at 10 percent -very difficult to get in there from OOS

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Many of UVA's better known alumni have come from out of state.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm OOS but wow, it is completely normal and expected for public universities to limit the number of non-state residents to their own state's taxpayer funded institutions.

Do the University of Michigan regents know this?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm OOS but wow, it is completely normal and expected for public universities to limit the number of non-state residents to their own state's taxpayer funded institutions.

Do the University of Michigan regents know this?

Michigan has been heading in a different direction compared to Texas and California. UM faces different circumstances.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of UVA's better known alumni have come from out of state.

Well, yes, because it is a completely different set up admissions criteria, and one with assume that, in the aggregate, those who met the much higher criteria for admissions, would also likely outperform those who met the much lower criteria.

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UVA wants to remain elite and relatively small for a state, er Commonwealth, flagship. It will continue to proceed accordingly. Maybe bitter OOS applicants’ parents can focus more on helping, say, Rutgers, reach its full potential.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA wants to remain elite and relatively small for a state, er Commonwealth, flagship. It will continue to proceed accordingly. Maybe bitter OOS applicants’ parents can focus more on helping, say, Rutgers, reach its full potential.

I doubt there are many “bitter” OOS applicants. It’s not like UVA has strong prestige nationally.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA wants to remain elite and relatively small for a state, er Commonwealth, flagship. It will continue to proceed accordingly. Maybe bitter OOS applicants’ parents can focus more on helping, say, Rutgers, reach its full potential.

I doubt there are many “bitter” OOS applicants. It’s not like UVA has strong prestige nationally.

I know this will offend but no one I knew in the Northeast ever mentioned UVA as a reach or safety. It just wasn’t on our radar at all.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA wants to remain elite and relatively small for a state, er Commonwealth, flagship. It will continue to proceed accordingly. Maybe bitter OOS applicants’ parents can focus more on helping, say, Rutgers, reach its full potential.

I doubt there are many “bitter” OOS applicants. It’s not like UVA has strong prestige nationally.

I know this will offend but no one I knew in the Northeast ever mentioned UVA as a reach or safety. It just wasn’t on our radar at all.

That’s anecdotal and meaningless. I’m from Westchester County, NY and people definitely knew UVA was a top school.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

UVA was founded in 1819, and, like many universities and college founded long ago, is landlocked by the city, roads and rail but you don’t complain about Yale or Harvard being built up around the campuses do you? And exactly what do you mean with the imprecise “years ago when they had the chance …?” I’d love to know exactly what you mean. And before you post again read up on the UVA Foundation whose job it is to buy up real estate whenever and wherever it can. But you would rather come on here and complain from a position of ignorance because you or a loved one didn’t get in, right? FWIW the UVA Foundation purchased 44 properties last year near the campus - for which locals criticize it! So imho it’s very “forward looking” and doing much better than my alma mater is. Also, the reason that UVA is a relatively small public is precisely why the legislature is pumping money into construction and develop at GMU, CNU snd the other 30+ Virginia campuses. Virginians are blessed with public choices on a part only with California -which is a much younger state , has much more land and didn’t start pumping money into its three level public system until the late 50s and 60s, so, yes, UCLA and Berkeley are large. Because they had room to grow with cheap land

+1. Read here about real estate acquisitions by the UVA Foundation. Uvafoundation.org. It recently bought the 80 room burnt out Econolodge at the corner of Emmet and Main in the heart of campus under a pseudonym because the owner kept giving UVA a preposterous price. That’s not “forward thinking” enough for you?

Dude, what are they gonna build there? Upperclass housing? Cross-disciplinary think-tank a la CAS Princeton?

I will ask. I know the person in charge of real estate acquisitions. It’s a choice piece of property. The larger parcel being developed across the street will be much needed dorms and classrooms . The owner has held out for years since the fire, as you know, but, then again, I doubt anyone who went to UVA uses the term “dude”. And why do you assume I’m a man? Pretty sexist of you. I’m guessing you are a rival Virginia tech student

DP (with no connections to any VA college) — UVA alums never disappoint.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

UVA was founded in 1819, and, like many universities and college founded long ago, is landlocked by the city, roads and rail but you don’t complain about Yale or Harvard being built up around the campuses do you? And exactly what do you mean with the imprecise “years ago when they had the chance …?” I’d love to know exactly what you mean. And before you post again read up on the UVA Foundation whose job it is to buy up real estate whenever and wherever it can. But you would rather come on here and complain from a position of ignorance because you or a loved one didn’t get in, right? FWIW the UVA Foundation purchased 44 properties last year near the campus - for which locals criticize it! So imho it’s very “forward looking” and doing much better than my alma mater is. Also, the reason that UVA is a relatively small public is precisely why the legislature is pumping money into construction and develop at GMU, CNU snd the other 30+ Virginia campuses. Virginians are blessed with public choices on a part only with California -which is a much younger state , has much more land and didn’t start pumping money into its three level public system until the late 50s and 60s, so, yes, UCLA and Berkeley are large. Because they had room to grow with cheap land

+1. Read here about real estate acquisitions by the UVA Foundation. Uvafoundation.org. It recently bought the 80 room burnt out Econolodge at the corner of Emmet and Main in the heart of campus under a pseudonym because the owner kept giving UVA a preposterous price. That’s not “forward thinking” enough for you?

Dude, what are they gonna build there? Upperclass housing? Cross-disciplinary think-tank a la CAS Princeton?

I will ask. I know the person in charge of real estate acquisitions. It’s a choice piece of property. The larger parcel being developed across the street will be much needed dorms and classrooms . The owner has held out for years since the fire, as you know, but, then again, I doubt anyone who went to UVA uses the term “dude”. And why do you assume I’m a man? Pretty sexist of you. I’m guessing you are a rival Virginia tech student

DP (with no connections to any VA college) — UVA alums never disappoint.

Another DP. Seriously. And they are *exactly* the types to call people “dude.” Plus, smearing another school for no reason at all? So insecure.