Why doesn’t UVA admit more non-resident and international students?

[Anonymous]

This is such a dumb click bait post... obviously they have a requirement to admit a certain percentage of in state students and why would they care about moving up the rankings? I'm pretty sure UVA feels just fine out where they sit right now and its a state u so really just not interested in gaming the system I'm sure, who has resources for that? Not a public school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a state school, and they seek to serve the residents of that state. Who cares about meaningless rankings?

UMich is 50% non-residents and they argue it helps their revenue and ranking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a state school, and they seek to serve the residents of that state. Who cares about meaningless rankings?

UMich is 50% non-residents and they argue it helps their revenue and ranking.

Maybe there aren’t enough smart kids in Michigan to meet their requirements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be happy if they took zero out of state or international students.

OOS PP here. I understand however if that ever happened the General Assembly would have to contribute a whole lot more to these schools than they do currently.
I also believe it benefits these institutions in many ways to have a geographically varied student body, even with a quota limiting its extent.
But as you are a taxpayer and as you no doubt have experienced some great VA students be denied, I can't blame you for the sentiment.

There is no demonstrable benefit to admitted OOS students other than financial. (Is a kid from Nebraska really that different from another kid from Virginia?)

But you as an OOS PP have no doubt experienced your kid getting denied, and I can understand you being butthurt about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a state school, and they seek to serve the residents of that state. Who cares about meaningless rankings?

UMich is 50% non-residents and they argue it helps their revenue and ranking.

Michigan has 32,000 undergraduates, so 16,000 are in state. The state of Michigan has a little over 10 million people. UNC has 19,000 undergraduates, of which about 16,000 are in state. North Carolina also has slightly more than 10 million people. UVA has about 16,000 undergraduates, so maybe around 11,000 in state. Virginia has about 8.6 million people. Looks like UM and UNC are serving their state populations at the same level with respect to numbers, with UVA actually somewhat behind. I don’t think many people would argue that there is a significant difference in the quality of education available among these three schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be happy if they took zero out of state or international students.

OOS PP here. I understand however if that ever happened the General Assembly would have to contribute a whole lot more to these schools than they do currently.
I also believe it benefits these institutions in many ways to have a geographically varied student body, even with a quota limiting its extent.
But as you are a taxpayer and as you no doubt have experienced some great VA students be denied, I can't blame you for the sentiment.

There is no demonstrable benefit to admitted OOS students other than financial. (Is a kid from Nebraska really that different from another kid from Virginia?)

But you as an OOS PP have no doubt experienced your kid getting denied, and I can understand you being butthurt about it.

I don't think we disagree a whole lot. Every year it seems more and more great VA students are denied admission to their own state schools, and I think that is pretty rough, considering you all are taxpayers. I agree with the quotas my state has too, and also wish the legislature would fund better. I was an OOS at a VA university and my child will be next year. If VA would go the way of UNC with limiting OOS even more, it would be understandable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, current state law requires that 2/3 of undergraduates be from VA.

Which is pretty normal for a state school. Michigan is around 55% instate, Texas is 90% instate, California is around 65% instate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be happy if they took zero out of state or international students.

OOS PP here. I understand however if that ever happened the General Assembly would have to contribute a whole lot more to these schools than they do currently.
I also believe it benefits these institutions in many ways to have a geographically varied student body, even with a quota limiting its extent.
But as you are a taxpayer and as you no doubt have experienced some great VA students be denied, I can't blame you for the sentiment.

There is no demonstrable benefit to admitted OOS students other than financial. (Is a kid from Nebraska really that different from another kid from Virginia?)

But you as an OOS PP have no doubt experienced your kid getting denied, and I can understand you being butthurt about it.

I don't think we disagree a whole lot. Every year it seems more and more great VA students are denied admission to their own state schools, and I think that is pretty rough, considering you all are taxpayers. I agree with the quotas my state has too, and also wish the legislature would fund better. I was an OOS at a VA university and my child will be next year. If VA would go the way of UNC with limiting OOS even more, it would be understandable.

Kids may be denied admission to UVA but Virginia has lots of other state schools that have high admit rates, so everyone gets to go somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s about two-thirds VA. Not sure if it’s a rule or just practice. Unc chapel hill is 82 percent.

It's a little above that, but most state flagships admit a significantly lower percentage of OOS students than Virginia does.

[Anonymous]

In their strategic plans, both UVA and W&M have floated the idea of capping in-state admissions at their current NUMBER (not percentage) and growing OOS admissions. They reason that the number of VA HS graduates is roughly static, so capping the number would not change in-state admission chances. The growth in applications comes from OOS, which is theoretically limitless. Thus, OOS admissions is the opportunity for growth, profit, diversity, high-caliber students, and thus higher rankings, better faculty, more research dollars, greater international prominence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, current state law requires that 2/3 of undergraduates be from VA.

Which is pretty normal for a state school. Michigan is around 55% instate, Texas is 90% instate, California is around 65% instate

Michigan is 50/50.

[Anonymous]

What about the law school? Preference for state residents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In their strategic plans, both UVA and W&M have floated the idea of capping in-state admissions at their current NUMBER (not percentage) and growing OOS admissions. They reason that the number of VA HS graduates is roughly static, so capping the number would not change in-state admission chances. The growth in applications comes from OOS, which is theoretically limitless. Thus, OOS admissions is the opportunity for growth, profit, diversity, high-caliber students, and thus higher rankings, better faculty, more research dollars, greater international prominence.

All dem dumb Virginia kids really bring the quality down...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, current state law requires that 2/3 of undergraduates be from VA.

Which is pretty normal for a state school. Michigan is around 55% instate, Texas is 90% instate, California is around 65% instate

UC Berkeley, LA, and San Diego were sued and forced to get in-state undergrad enrollment back to 80%+ after the campuses were subverted by leaders who gave the farm away to non-resident and international applicants.

[Anonymous]

I’d be happy if UVA had less than 10% OOS/international admits. It’s a state school. It should be serving Virginia students to the greatest extent possible.