What do people mean by White Hispanic?

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Anonymous wrote:White Hispanics includes both White Spaniards and White Latinos with Spanish ancestry. I wouldn’t consider someone whose German or Italian great-grandparents stepped off a boat in Latin America in the 1930s just long enough to get papers to come to the US, a Latino.

This is beyond ignorant. Many Germans and Italiand stepped off a boat in Latin America and stayed in Latin America!

Those whose ancestors stayed at least a generation are Latinos. Those whose forebears used Argentina, Chile, Brazil, and Cuba as a brief stop on their journey to the US are not. My friend who is Vietnamese lived in France for 18 months as a toddler. That doesn’t make her kids French.

That is such a very, very small percentage. You have no idea what you're talking about.

dp.. why does it matter how large the % of this scenario is. The same concept applies.

You are the one who seems to have no idea what you are talking about. The French born Vietnamese would never put "white" on the form. Doesn't matter if it's one person or a million. What a stupid comment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hispanic is a culture. White is a race.

I'm white Hispanic and I never know how to answer these rac(ist) questions on the forms.

Me kinda- I’m brown Hispanic. I don’t consider my race white. I consider it Latino/Hispanic even though it doesn’t make sense.

My husband is also a brown latino but brown isn’t a race so he has to pick between black or white. He sometimes puts black sometimes white. For our son he always says white.

My DH is Latino and is definitely not white or black. So it’s weird that there is no on-between on forms.

I believe the in between is Native American, which you presumably are if you're hispanic and not white or black.

I also don't understand why they don't pick NA if they are mixed. There are many latinos who belong to this category and imagine Americans telling them to go back to their country when they speak Spanish. The America are their country from the top to bottom before white came stealing, killing, and drawing lines. Sorry to get off the topic.
I also are in opinion that white latinos are the ones without NA or black or Asian grandparents or a little.
My own kid is Northern European and white/Asian/NA. I have no idea what my ex marks on the box for the kid.

Most official forms require Native American to include a First Nation affiliation. You can’t just “pick it”, because people indigenous to the United States receive some autonomy and benefits that people indigenous to Central and South America don’t get. Someone can’t move to the United States and go live on a reservation because they’re indigenous, they have to be affiliated with that Nation.

Basically the whole things is a mess, and the people best qualified to define groups are the people who belong to those groups.

I've never seen a form ask for tribal affiliation. For Eastern Band Cherokee, in which many Washingtonians may have ancestry, 1/16 is generally required. But to enroll with them, need various evidence.

[Anonymous]

Not to derail ... but it's a related question. Friends of ours are full Chinese ancestry, but born/raised in Suriname in South America .... Wondered if they could put "non-white Hispanic" on their kids' college applications (you know, for the boost) ... or whether they should put Asian (which is also true, but no boost for admissions, and might work against them).

Both were accurate, per other folks' comment on this thread abt ethnicity/nationality vs race ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not to derail ... but it's a related question. Friends of ours are full Chinese ancestry, but born/raised in Suriname in South America .... Wondered if they could put "non-white Hispanic" on their kids' college applications (you know, for the boost) ... or whether they should put Asian (which is also true, but no boost for admissions, and might work against them).

Both were accurate, per other folks' comment on this thread abt ethnicity/nationality vs race ...

That’s what I really hate about these questions. It’s always a bunch of white people trying to play “gotcha”.

Why can’t we just have a normal discussion where people can talk about how they would like to be identified, rather than white people trying to tell them what they “should” be or coming up with ridiculous hypothetical situations? Like your friends probably do not GAF about whether they can put Hispanic on college applications for the boost, and honestly, the only conversation we should have around college applications is that people who lie on them for a better shot are pure scum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hispanic is a culture. White is a race.

I'm white Hispanic and I never know how to answer these rac(ist) questions on the forms.

Me kinda- I’m brown Hispanic. I don’t consider my race white. I consider it Latino/Hispanic even though it doesn’t make sense.

My husband is also a brown latino but brown isn’t a race so he has to pick between black or white. He sometimes puts black sometimes white. For our son he always says white.

My DH is Latino and is definitely not white or black. So it’s weird that there is no on-between on forms.

I believe the in between is Native American, which you presumably are if you're hispanic and not white or black.

I also don't understand why they don't pick NA if they are mixed. There are many latinos who belong to this category and imagine Americans telling them to go back to their country when they speak Spanish. The America are their country from the top to bottom before white came stealing, killing, and drawing lines. Sorry to get off the topic.
I also are in opinion that white latinos are the ones without NA or black or Asian grandparents or a little.
My own kid is Northern European and white/Asian/NA. I have no idea what my ex marks on the box for the kid.

Most official forms require Native American to include a First Nation affiliation. You can’t just “pick it”, because people indigenous to the United States receive some autonomy and benefits that people indigenous to Central and South America don’t get. Someone can’t move to the United States and go live on a reservation because they’re indigenous, they have to be affiliated with that Nation.

Basically the whole things is a mess, and the people best qualified to define groups are the people who belong to those groups.

I've never seen a form ask for tribal affiliation. For Eastern Band Cherokee, in which many Washingtonians may have ancestry, 1/16 is generally required. But to enroll with them, need various evidence.

I have seen it. Your enrollment number is requested.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:White Hispanics includes both White Spaniards and White Latinos with Spanish ancestry. I wouldn’t consider someone whose German or Italian great-grandparents stepped off a boat in Latin America in the 1930s just long enough to get papers to come to the US, a Latino.

This is beyond ignorant. Many Germans and Italiand stepped off a boat in Latin America and stayed in Latin America!

Those whose ancestors stayed at least a generation are Latinos. Those whose forebears used Argentina, Chile, Brazil, and Cuba as a brief stop on their journey to the US are not. My friend who is Vietnamese lived in France for 18 months as a toddler. That doesn’t make her kids French.

That is such a very, very small percentage. You have no idea what you're talking about.

dp.. why does it matter how large the % of this scenario is. The same concept applies.

You are the one who seems to have no idea what you are talking about. The French born Vietnamese would never put "white" on the form. Doesn't matter if it's one person or a million. What a stupid comment.

Im white hispanic, from a majority white Latin American country. People didn't immigrate there as a stop to the us, as this person implied. It didn't happen. My ancestry is European but I am hispanic. Sorry that bothers you, it's not changing.

[Anonymous]

Someone who is truly Hispanic is from Spain or Portugal. If you’re from south or Central America, you’re Latino/a. People need to stop using Hispanic for anyone who speaks Spanish.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone who is truly Hispanic is from Spain or Portugal. If you’re from south or Central America, you’re Latino/a. People need to stop using Hispanic for anyone who speaks Spanish.

Wrong:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hispanic
1
: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent and especially of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin living in the U.S.
2
: of or relating to the people, speech, or culture of Spain

Britannica Dictionary definition of HISPANIC
: coming originally from an area where Spanish is spoken and especially from Latin America
Hispanic people
also : of or relating to Hispanic people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone who is truly Hispanic is from Spain or Portugal. If you’re from south or Central America, you’re Latino/a. People need to stop using Hispanic for anyone who speaks Spanish.

Wrong:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hispanic
1
: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent and especially of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin living in the U.S.
2
: of or relating to the people, speech, or culture of Spain

Britannica Dictionary definition of HISPANIC
: coming originally from an area where Spanish is spoken and especially from Latin America
Hispanic people
also : of or relating to Hispanic people

https://courageousconversation.com/the-difference-between-hispanic-and-latino/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Someone who is truly Hispanic is from Spain or Portugal. If you’re from south or Central America, you’re Latino/a. People need to stop using Hispanic for anyone who speaks Spanish.

Wrong:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hispanic
1
: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent and especially of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin living in the U.S.
2
: of or relating to the people, speech, or culture of Spain

Britannica Dictionary definition of HISPANIC
: coming originally from an area where Spanish is spoken and especially from Latin America
Hispanic people
also : of or relating to Hispanic people

https://courageousconversation.com/the-difference-between-hispanic-and-latino/

Yes, exactly. That doesn’t contradict the posted definitions. Not sure if you intended to post that as corroboration or correction. But, either way, it doesn’t support the notion that people of the Spanish -speaking Americas should not call themselves Hispanic or that Hispanic only applies to Spaniards. As that last link explains, Hispanic is a broader term that refers to the Language and culture that originated in Spain and is shared by many others in many other countries. Latino, on ther hand, is generally used for the people of Latin America, meaning it has a geographical sense. Hispanic has a broader language/culture sense.

I don’t know what’s so difficult to understand or what is big deal. I call myself either or, but generally simply Puerto Rican. And, yes, for the purposes of silly form check boxes, I am a white Hispanic. I am of Mediterranean European ancestry, with some tiny, not physically discernible indigenous and African ancestry. If you look at me, you see nothing but white, so if asked to pick a color, that’s what I pick.

[Anonymous]

Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. That’s your answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:White Hispanics includes both White Spaniards and White Latinos with Spanish ancestry. I wouldn’t consider someone whose German or Italian great-grandparents stepped off a boat in Latin America in the 1930s just long enough to get papers to come to the US, a Latino.

This is beyond ignorant. Many Germans and Italiand stepped off a boat in Latin America and stayed in Latin America!

Those whose ancestors stayed at least a generation are Latinos. Those whose forebears used Argentina, Chile, Brazil, and Cuba as a brief stop on their journey to the US are not. My friend who is Vietnamese lived in France for 18 months as a toddler. That doesn’t make her kids French.

That is such a very, very small percentage. You have no idea what you're talking about.

dp.. why does it matter how large the % of this scenario is. The same concept applies.

You are the one who seems to have no idea what you are talking about. The French born Vietnamese would never put "white" on the form. Doesn't matter if it's one person or a million. What a stupid comment.

Im white hispanic, from a majority white Latin American country. People didn't immigrate there as a stop to the us, as this person implied. It didn't happen. My ancestry is European but I am hispanic. Sorry that bothers you, it's not changing.

I really don't give a rat's a$$ about whether people immigrate to the US from Europe via S. America. That's not what this thread is about. It's about race/ethnicity and where you are "really" from.

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It's a white person who speaks Spanish. NFC.

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I think "from Argentina" which is where a lot of the Nazis fled.

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Geraldo Riveria - Hispanic and Jewish, for example.