Student Behavior - Starting to Fall Apart?

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

I had to evacuate my class many times last year. I also had to re arrange furniture (climbing), hide things (throwing) and took risks using my computer, smart board, etc on a daily basis.

My whole class schedule had to be restructured and no normal things could be done well because of the constant support and 1:1 this one child needed. There are no other human bodies to help. It takes months to get any sort of IEP in place but you can’t do an IEP based on class behavior alone.

It was a very tiring year. And I had many other challenges on top of the main one.

Education really is brought down to the neediest. I don’t say that in a mean way but entire classes suffer because of one student because that’s just how the system is these days.

So very true. So much time is wasted on the few. I wish parents knew how much time is wasted on a few students. And it is wasted time since those few students often cannot be moved out of the classroom. I often take my entire class to a book room (basically a large closet) when it is clear that we won't be moving back into the classroom anytime soon. I've brought in a carpet and entire class sets of supplies.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s what happens when you have poor administration.

That's what happens when you have poor parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

I had to evacuate my class many times last year. I also had to re arrange furniture (climbing), hide things (throwing) and took risks using my computer, smart board, etc on a daily basis.

My whole class schedule had to be restructured and no normal things could be done well because of the constant support and 1:1 this one child needed. There are no other human bodies to help. It takes months to get any sort of IEP in place but you can’t do an IEP based on class behavior alone.

It was a very tiring year. And I had many other challenges on top of the main one.

Education really is brought down to the neediest. I don’t say that in a mean way but entire classes suffer because of one student because that’s just how the system is these days.

Would getting rid of the problem kids help? Absolutely. Some people with means will choose private due to this. It sucks for the rest of the normal kids in public school.

We went private for our kids and haven’t looked back. The learning environment is so much more peaceful and conducive to learning compared to our public school. Disruptive kids like this are just not permitted in our school

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

Dear Parent, Thank you so much for emailing the principal about this. Seriously. Parents are the ONLY people most administrators listen to. Better yet, email the superintendent. File a class action suit. Something in this country has to change around special education laws. The right to FAPE that students with disabilities or potential disabilities have cannot come at the EXPENSE of everyone else's learning or safety. I'm a teacher who is looking for a job outside of education because it is all far too much. I can't deal, I'm out.

Unhinged, histrionic, frazzled, limited tolerance for stressful situations, weak cognitive reasoning skills, do yourself a favor and stick to working with kids l, zero chance you’d make it in the private sector. Seriously if you are having a nervous breakdown go out in disability, use the time to think about your next move. Maybe try floral arranging?

You're the one who sounds unhinged. DP.

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SpEd law has ruined public schools, which must bow at the alter of IDEA and special education lawyers. If you’ve worked in a school, you know that it’s nearly impossible to get rid of students who destroy (many times literally) the learning environment for other students. When I was growing up, these students received an education in resource rooms, received lots of individual attention, and did not disrupt the academic and behavioral rigor of the general education classrooms. Mainstreaming/inclusion has so tarnished public education and it’s a damned shame.

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I’ve been teaching since 94. This is the worst I’ve seen it, and that’s even after feral kids last year. So many kids have settled comfortably into not even trying to appear to care about being reprimanded. Most are not even mildly embarrassed. It’s astonishing because I’m the mom of an elementary student and I have drilled into his head that responsibility, kindness, and respect for others are more important to me than academics. When he has been reminded by a teacher to stop talking (which happens more than occasionally because he is a chatterbox) he is remorseful and embarrassed. But most of his friends don’t bat an eye.

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

I had to evacuate my class many times last year. I also had to re arrange furniture (climbing), hide things (throwing) and took risks using my computer, smart board, etc on a daily basis.

My whole class schedule had to be restructured and no normal things could be done well because of the constant support and 1:1 this one child needed. There are no other human bodies to help. It takes months to get any sort of IEP in place but you can’t do an IEP based on class behavior alone.

It was a very tiring year. And I had many other challenges on top of the main one.

Education really is brought down to the neediest. I don’t say that in a mean way but entire classes suffer because of one student because that’s just how the system is these days.

So very true. So much time is wasted on the few. I wish parents knew how much time is wasted on a few students. And it is wasted time since those few students often cannot be moved out of the classroom. I often take my entire class to a book room (basically a large closet) when it is clear that we won't be moving back into the classroom anytime soon. I've brought in a carpet and entire class sets of supplies.

It sounds odd to have to evacuate or move into closets. Why does this occur? If one child misbehaves, don't they get sent to the principal? Why does the class have to evacuate instead? Sorry if this is a remedial question but I haven't heard this occurring in DC'c class so I'm puzzled.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been teaching since 94. This is the worst I’ve seen it, and that’s even after feral kids last year. So many kids have settled comfortably into not even trying to appear to care about being reprimanded. Most are not even mildly embarrassed. It’s astonishing because I’m the mom of an elementary student and I have drilled into his head that responsibility, kindness, and respect for others are more important to me than academics. When he has been reminded by a teacher to stop talking (which happens more than occasionally because he is a chatterbox) he is remorseful and embarrassed. But most of his friends don’t bat an eye.

I think there are two levels of disruptions. High behavior needs with safety concerns(throwing, hitting, etc) and just disrupting (talking when the teacher is trying to teach). Literally every FCPS teacher have a few kids who just won’t stop talking.

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

I had to evacuate my class many times last year. I also had to re arrange furniture (climbing), hide things (throwing) and took risks using my computer, smart board, etc on a daily basis.

My whole class schedule had to be restructured and no normal things could be done well because of the constant support and 1:1 this one child needed. There are no other human bodies to help. It takes months to get any sort of IEP in place but you can’t do an IEP based on class behavior alone.

It was a very tiring year. And I had many other challenges on top of the main one.

Education really is brought down to the neediest. I don’t say that in a mean way but entire classes suffer because of one student because that’s just how the system is these days.

So very true. So much time is wasted on the few. I wish parents knew how much time is wasted on a few students. And it is wasted time since those few students often cannot be moved out of the classroom. I often take my entire class to a book room (basically a large closet) when it is clear that we won't be moving back into the classroom anytime soon. I've brought in a carpet and entire class sets of supplies.

It sounds odd to have to evacuate or move into closets. Why does this occur? If one child misbehaves, don't they get sent to the principal? Why does the class have to evacuate instead? Sorry if this is a remedial question but I haven't heard this occurring in DC'c class so I'm puzzled.

Because you cannot physically remove a child from a school setting. If the child voluntarily walks to the principal’s office, fine, although they’ll usually just get sent back with a piece of candy and a “think sheet”. Otherwise, everyone else is forced to move to accommodate the student who, in most cases, has no business in a regular public school.

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

I had to evacuate my class many times last year. I also had to re arrange furniture (climbing), hide things (throwing) and took risks using my computer, smart board, etc on a daily basis.

My whole class schedule had to be restructured and no normal things could be done well because of the constant support and 1:1 this one child needed. There are no other human bodies to help. It takes months to get any sort of IEP in place but you can’t do an IEP based on class behavior alone.

It was a very tiring year. And I had many other challenges on top of the main one.

Education really is brought down to the neediest. I don’t say that in a mean way but entire classes suffer because of one student because that’s just how the system is these days.

So very true. So much time is wasted on the few. I wish parents knew how much time is wasted on a few students. And it is wasted time since those few students often cannot be moved out of the classroom. I often take my entire class to a book room (basically a large closet) when it is clear that we won't be moving back into the classroom anytime soon. I've brought in a carpet and entire class sets of supplies.

It sounds odd to have to evacuate or move into closets. Why does this occur? If one child misbehaves, don't they get sent to the principal? Why does the class have to evacuate instead? Sorry if this is a remedial question but I haven't heard this occurring in DC'c class so I'm puzzled.

I could write a really long message about this, but this is the gist… We can’t simply send a child to the office because they’re being annoying and disrupting class. That is no longer a reason - for the past 10-15 years. Admin has made it very clear that we are to send them to the office, because interrupts THEIR learning What happens is the child becomes kind of annoying/disruptive to emotionally and physically destructive in about 10-15 seconds. So at that point our choice is to evacuate the room. The downfall is very, very quick (unfortunately).

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

I had to evacuate my class many times last year. I also had to re arrange furniture (climbing), hide things (throwing) and took risks using my computer, smart board, etc on a daily basis.

My whole class schedule had to be restructured and no normal things could be done well because of the constant support and 1:1 this one child needed. There are no other human bodies to help. It takes months to get any sort of IEP in place but you can’t do an IEP based on class behavior alone.

It was a very tiring year. And I had many other challenges on top of the main one.

Education really is brought down to the neediest. I don’t say that in a mean way but entire classes suffer because of one student because that’s just how the system is these days.

So very true. So much time is wasted on the few. I wish parents knew how much time is wasted on a few students. And it is wasted time since those few students often cannot be moved out of the classroom. I often take my entire class to a book room (basically a large closet) when it is clear that we won't be moving back into the classroom anytime soon. I've brought in a carpet and entire class sets of supplies.

It sounds odd to have to evacuate or move into closets. Why does this occur? If one child misbehaves, don't they get sent to the principal? Why does the class have to evacuate instead? Sorry if this is a remedial question but I haven't heard this occurring in DC'c class so I'm puzzled.

I could write a really long message about this, but this is the gist… We can’t simply send a child to the office because they’re being annoying and disrupting class. That is no longer a reason - for the past 10-15 years. Admin has made it very clear that we are to send them to the office, because interrupts THEIR learning What happens is the child becomes kind of annoying/disruptive to emotionally and physically destructive in about 10-15 seconds. So at that point our choice is to evacuate the room. The downfall is very, very quick (unfortunately).

+1, I’ve been teaching for a long time and I think part of the issue is these students used to be all over the main office - 2-10 students at a time. I think it looked really bad for the school when parents come into the main office and there’s just kids scattered everywhere. Admin wanted to stop it. So send them back to the classroom. And in all honesty, there were kids who acted up and wanted to go to the office to avoid work.

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

I had to evacuate my class many times last year. I also had to re arrange furniture (climbing), hide things (throwing) and took risks using my computer, smart board, etc on a daily basis.

My whole class schedule had to be restructured and no normal things could be done well because of the constant support and 1:1 this one child needed. There are no other human bodies to help. It takes months to get any sort of IEP in place but you can’t do an IEP based on class behavior alone.

It was a very tiring year. And I had many other challenges on top of the main one.

Education really is brought down to the neediest. I don’t say that in a mean way but entire classes suffer because of one student because that’s just how the system is these days.

So very true. So much time is wasted on the few. I wish parents knew how much time is wasted on a few students. And it is wasted time since those few students often cannot be moved out of the classroom. I often take my entire class to a book room (basically a large closet) when it is clear that we won't be moving back into the classroom anytime soon. I've brought in a carpet and entire class sets of supplies.

It sounds odd to have to evacuate or move into closets. Why does this occur? If one child misbehaves, don't they get sent to the principal? Why does the class have to evacuate instead? Sorry if this is a remedial question but I haven't heard this occurring in DC'c class so I'm puzzled.

I could write a really long message about this, but this is the gist… We can’t simply send a child to the office because they’re being annoying and disrupting class. That is no longer a reason - for the past 10-15 years. Admin has made it very clear that we are to send them to the office, because interrupts THEIR learning What happens is the child becomes kind of annoying/disruptive to emotionally and physically destructive in about 10-15 seconds. So at that point our choice is to evacuate the room. The downfall is very, very quick (unfortunately).

So how does it resolve? The class remains in the closet or outside the classroom until the child settles down in the classroom? That could take a long time, which is what prior posters have alluded to. Thanks for your patience in managing; that would be tough.

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

I had to evacuate my class many times last year. I also had to re arrange furniture (climbing), hide things (throwing) and took risks using my computer, smart board, etc on a daily basis.

My whole class schedule had to be restructured and no normal things could be done well because of the constant support and 1:1 this one child needed. There are no other human bodies to help. It takes months to get any sort of IEP in place but you can’t do an IEP based on class behavior alone.

It was a very tiring year. And I had many other challenges on top of the main one.

Education really is brought down to the neediest. I don’t say that in a mean way but entire classes suffer because of one student because that’s just how the system is these days.

So very true. So much time is wasted on the few. I wish parents knew how much time is wasted on a few students. And it is wasted time since those few students often cannot be moved out of the classroom. I often take my entire class to a book room (basically a large closet) when it is clear that we won't be moving back into the classroom anytime soon. I've brought in a carpet and entire class sets of supplies.

It sounds odd to have to evacuate or move into closets. Why does this occur? If one child misbehaves, don't they get sent to the principal? Why does the class have to evacuate instead? Sorry if this is a remedial question but I haven't heard this occurring in DC'c class so I'm puzzled.

I could write a really long message about this, but this is the gist… We can’t simply send a child to the office because they’re being annoying and disrupting class. That is no longer a reason - for the past 10-15 years. Admin has made it very clear that we are to send them to the office, because interrupts THEIR learning What happens is the child becomes kind of annoying/disruptive to emotionally and physically destructive in about 10-15 seconds. So at that point our choice is to evacuate the room. The downfall is very, very quick (unfortunately).

So how does it resolve? The class remains in the closet or outside the classroom until the child settles down in the classroom? That could take a long time, which is what prior posters have alluded to. Thanks for your patience in managing; that would be tough.

YES! I can take anywhere from 20 minutes to 2 hours.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what happens when you have poor administration.

That's what happens when you have poor parenting.

The chair throwing, desk flipping students need psychological help (testing, medication, therapy, etc). That is hard for parents to admit to themselves. It’s a long road and they’d rather avoid it. They give in to the child’s every whim at home, which they don’t get a school (thus the outbursts). Unfortunately, these issues don’t go away on their own and as the child gets physically bigger the risk of another student or teacher being harmed increases.

In my experience, all parents deny and ignore at the beginning. Getting them over that hump to see the reality can be challenging. They don’t want their kid “labeled”, but, sadly, the kids at school have already socially labeled them.

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I posted about evacuating the class to the closet. These are not run of the mill behaviors that cause this. I've seen more serious behaviors over the last 10 years. A lot of kids have never heard the word "no" in their homes. Their homes are often chaotic and they don't have stable families. These kids have very reactive personalities. They explode about little things. There are many transitions that occur during a school day and they often can't deal with it. You can't just send them to the office. Sometimes they elope from the classroom and you have to text an admin to go get them. Other times, they start yelling and screaming and overturn furniture, throw school supplies, etc.