Student Behavior - Starting to Fall Apart?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That’s what happens when you have poor administration.

That's what happens when you have poor parenting.

The chair throwing, desk flipping students need psychological help (testing, medication, therapy, etc). That is hard for parents to admit to themselves. It’s a long road and they’d rather avoid it. They give in to the child’s every whim at home, which they don’t get a school (thus the outbursts). Unfortunately, these issues don’t go away on their own and as the child gets physically bigger the risk of another student or teacher being harmed increases.

In my experience, all parents deny and ignore at the beginning. Getting them over that hump to see the reality can be challenging. They don’t want their kid “labeled”, but, sadly, the kids at school have already socially labeled them.

Depends on what considers the "least restrictive environment" if a child is damaging the education of the rest of the class.



I am a parent of a chair throwing desk flipping student and your analysis is dead wrong. . . .

he does have a legal right to an education the same as every other child.

Mental health is a serious problem in this country, and your child's education will be effected if we can't collectively figure it out.

NP.

I agree your child has a legal right to an education; every child in the U.S. has that right.

Problematic, however, is how you define “the same as every other child.”

If you define that as your child being entitled to “full inclusion” (which is the “I” in DEI) in a regular general education class, then that necessarily implies he has the right to throw chairs and flip desks in general education.

FCPS standard procedure in that case is to evacuate the entire class, leaving your child alone in the room, and necessarily halting any education during his outbursts.

FCPS procedure for chair-throwing is depriving every other child their right to an education.

And that is only one problem with FCPS’ extreme interpretation of DEI.

Your child deserves a separate class with specialist teachers better trained to handle his needs.

Sorry if a separate class isn’t the “inclusion” you would like to have in some imaginary, ideal world.

You revived a 3 year old thread for this?

3 years later, is it still FCPS inclusion policy to evacuate the entire class over the single student’s chair-throwing or desk-tipping, every day it happens?

Yes. Yes it is still the policy, just as it’s still the DEI / inclusion policy to keep highly disruptive students in class, along with students who commit weapons violations, make threats, draw hate-symbols. The education of all students is being harmed by FCPS’s policies.

Until suspensions, expulsions, appropriate settings for SPED-learners, and meaningful discipline policies are reintroduced across FCPS, parents need to keep bring this topic up, unfortunately.

Least restrictive environment is VA law not just fcps policy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what happens when you have poor administration.

That's what happens when you have poor parenting.

The chair throwing, desk flipping students need psychological help (testing, medication, therapy, etc). That is hard for parents to admit to themselves. It’s a long road and they’d rather avoid it. They give in to the child’s every whim at home, which they don’t get a school (thus the outbursts). Unfortunately, these issues don’t go away on their own and as the child gets physically bigger the risk of another student or teacher being harmed increases.

In my experience, all parents deny and ignore at the beginning. Getting them over that hump to see the reality can be challenging. They don’t want their kid “labeled”, but, sadly, the kids at school have already socially labeled them.

Depends on what considers the "least restrictive environment" if a child is damaging the education of the rest of the class.



I am a parent of a chair throwing desk flipping student and your analysis is dead wrong. . . .

he does have a legal right to an education the same as every other child.

Mental health is a serious problem in this country, and your child's education will be effected if we can't collectively figure it out.

NP.

I agree your child has a legal right to an education; every child in the U.S. has that right.

Problematic, however, is how you define “the same as every other child.”

If you define that as your child being entitled to “full inclusion” (which is the “I” in DEI) in a regular general education class, then that necessarily implies he has the right to throw chairs and flip desks in general education.

FCPS standard procedure in that case is to evacuate the entire class, leaving your child alone in the room, and necessarily halting any education during his outbursts.

FCPS procedure for chair-throwing is depriving every other child their right to an education.

And that is only one problem with FCPS’ extreme interpretation of DEI.

Your child deserves a separate class with specialist teachers better trained to handle his needs.

Sorry if a separate class isn’t the “inclusion” you would like to have in some imaginary, ideal world.

You revived a 3 year old thread for this?

3 years later, is it still FCPS inclusion policy to evacuate the entire class over the single student’s chair-throwing or desk-tipping, every day it happens?

Yes. Yes it is still the policy, just as it’s still the DEI / inclusion policy to keep highly disruptive students in class, along with students who commit weapons violations, make threats, draw hate-symbols. The education of all students is being harmed by FCPS’s policies.

Until suspensions, expulsions, appropriate settings for SPED-learners, and meaningful discipline policies are reintroduced across FCPS, parents need to keep bring this topic up, unfortunately.

Least restrictive environment is VA law not just fcps policy.

Yes, but LRE is not Gen Ed for kids who toss rooms, hurt or threaten others, etc. Students like that are NOT well served in Gen Ed. LRE doesn't mean Gen Ed in every or even most situations. The law around FAPE and LRE does state that the needs of the other students must be balanced and figured into the equation as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what happens when you have poor administration.

That's what happens when you have poor parenting.

The chair throwing, desk flipping students need psychological help (testing, medication, therapy, etc). That is hard for parents to admit to themselves. It’s a long road and they’d rather avoid it. They give in to the child’s every whim at home, which they don’t get a school (thus the outbursts). Unfortunately, these issues don’t go away on their own and as the child gets physically bigger the risk of another student or teacher being harmed increases.

In my experience, all parents deny and ignore at the beginning. Getting them over that hump to see the reality can be challenging. They don’t want their kid “labeled”, but, sadly, the kids at school have already socially labeled them.

I am a parent of a chair throwing desk flipping student and your analysis is dead wrong. . . .

he does have a legal right to an education the same as every other child.

Mental health is a serious problem in this country, and your child's education will be effected if we can't collectively figure it out.

NP.

I agree your child has a legal right to an education; every child in the U.S. has that right.

Problematic, however, is how you define “the same as every other child.”

If you define that as your child being entitled to “full inclusion” (which is the “I” in DEI) in a regular general education class, then that necessarily implies he has the right to throw chairs and flip desks in general education.

FCPS standard procedure in that case is to evacuate the entire class, leaving your child alone in the room, and necessarily halting any education during his outbursts.

FCPS procedure for chair-throwing is depriving every other child their right to an education.

And that is only one problem with FCPS’ extreme interpretation of DEI.

Your child deserves a separate class with specialist teachers better trained to handle his needs.

Sorry if a separate class isn’t the “inclusion” you would like to have in some imaginary, ideal world.

You revived a 3 year old thread for this?

Cough***Trumper

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what happens when you have poor administration.

That's what happens when you have poor parenting.

The chair throwing, desk flipping students need psychological help (testing, medication, therapy, etc). That is hard for parents to admit to themselves. It’s a long road and they’d rather avoid it. They give in to the child’s every whim at home, which they don’t get a school (thus the outbursts). Unfortunately, these issues don’t go away on their own and as the child gets physically bigger the risk of another student or teacher being harmed increases.

In my experience, all parents deny and ignore at the beginning. Getting them over that hump to see the reality can be challenging. They don’t want their kid “labeled”, but, sadly, the kids at school have already socially labeled them.

Depends on what considers the "least restrictive environment" if a child is damaging the education of the rest of the class.



I am a parent of a chair throwing desk flipping student and your analysis is dead wrong. . . .

he does have a legal right to an education the same as every other child.

Mental health is a serious problem in this country, and your child's education will be effected if we can't collectively figure it out.

NP.

I agree your child has a legal right to an education; every child in the U.S. has that right.

Problematic, however, is how you define “the same as every other child.”

If you define that as your child being entitled to “full inclusion” (which is the “I” in DEI) in a regular general education class, then that necessarily implies he has the right to throw chairs and flip desks in general education.

FCPS standard procedure in that case is to evacuate the entire class, leaving your child alone in the room, and necessarily halting any education during his outbursts.

FCPS procedure for chair-throwing is depriving every other child their right to an education.

And that is only one problem with FCPS’ extreme interpretation of DEI.

Your child deserves a separate class with specialist teachers better trained to handle his needs.

Sorry if a separate class isn’t the “inclusion” you would like to have in some imaginary, ideal world.

You revived a 3 year old thread for this?

3 years later, is it still FCPS inclusion policy to evacuate the entire class over the single student’s chair-throwing or desk-tipping, every day it happens?

Yes. Yes it is still the policy, just as it’s still the DEI / inclusion policy to keep highly disruptive students in class, along with students who commit weapons violations, make threats, draw hate-symbols. The education of all students is being harmed by FCPS’s policies.

Until suspensions, expulsions, appropriate settings for SPED-learners, and meaningful discipline policies are reintroduced across FCPS, parents need to keep bring this topic up, unfortunately.

Least restrictive environment is VA law not just fcps policy.

Yes, but LRE is not Gen Ed for kids who toss rooms, hurt or threaten others, etc. Students like that are NOT well served in Gen Ed. LRE doesn't mean Gen Ed in every or even most situations. The law around FAPE and LRE does state that the needs of the other students must be balanced and figured into the equation as well.

FCPS is afraid of lawsuits from parents. Meanwhile, they seek lawsuits for their DEI.

[Anonymous]

Whoever the op of this thread is:

- it’s been three years and behavior is poor and getting worse every year.

FCPS is asleep at the wheel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whoever the op of this thread is:

- it’s been three years and behavior is poor and getting worse every year.

FCPS is asleep at the wheel.

It's not an FCPS issue. My cousin is an elementary school teacher in Florida. She's ready to quit because of how poorly behaved the kids have become, and how awful the parents are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoever the op of this thread is:

- it’s been three years and behavior is poor and getting worse every year.

FCPS is asleep at the wheel.

It's not an FCPS issue. My cousin is an elementary school teacher in Florida. She's ready to quit because of how poorly behaved the kids have become, and how awful the parents are.

+1. Very few public school districts have a good handle on behavior anymore.

[Anonymous]

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoever the op of this thread is:

- it’s been three years and behavior is poor and getting worse every year.

FCPS is asleep at the wheel.

It's not an FCPS issue. My cousin is an elementary school teacher in Florida. She's ready to quit because of how poorly behaved the kids have become, and how awful the parents are.

+1. Very few public school districts have a good handle on behavior anymore.

This all goes directly back to the “Dear Colleagues” letter during the Obama administration.

[Anonymous]

Serious question, why do we expect public schools to handle behavior problems? Where are the parents? I'd argue that if parents were truly parenting we would have far fewer problems in school. Of course there would the occasional problem student, or students who a disability that hinders regulation, or the occasional flight and visits to the principals office. BUT the problem today isn't this it's all this and MORE because parents aren't parenting in this country. I can't speak to outside of the country. But here parents refuse to look inward and make changes. Instead they want to blame anyone else- teachers, coaches, friends, social media, video games, etc. I'm sympathetic to the fact that parenting today is a lot harder than ever before BUT that doesn't absolve parents of the responsibility.

Talk to your kids about behavior from a young age. Model good respectful behavior. Get involved in the school in small or big ways. Ask about their homework and check in periodically with the teacher. Just set it in your phone calendar like you would any important meeting. Bad behavior doesn't just come from nowhere, there is usually a cause and effect. If parents make time for their kids and check in and connect, it would go a long way, I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Serious question, why do we expect public schools to handle behavior problems? Where are the parents? I'd argue that if parents were truly parenting we would have far fewer problems in school. Of course there would the occasional problem student, or students who a disability that hinders regulation, or the occasional flight and visits to the principals office. BUT the problem today isn't this it's all this and MORE because parents aren't parenting in this country. I can't speak to outside of the country. But here parents refuse to look inward and make changes. Instead they want to blame anyone else- teachers, coaches, friends, social media, video games, etc. I'm sympathetic to the fact that parenting today is a lot harder than ever before BUT that doesn't absolve parents of the responsibility.

Talk to your kids about behavior from a young age. Model good respectful behavior. Get involved in the school in small or big ways. Ask about their homework and check in periodically with the teacher. Just set it in your phone calendar like you would any important meeting. Bad behavior doesn't just come from nowhere, there is usually a cause and effect. If parents make time for their kids and check in and connect, it would go a long way, I think.

Seriously? Yes, of course, better parenting is important. But, if teachers have NO tools to control kids, things happen.

[Anonymous]

I know two seasoned FCPS ES teachers (different schools) who’ll be resigning at the end of this school year. Combined 40 years experience and each cite the poor behavior and constant disrespect without consequences that is the reason for their departures.

I left (was in a support role) for similar reasons a few years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know two seasoned FCPS ES teachers (different schools) who’ll be resigning at the end of this school year. Combined 40 years experience and each cite the poor behavior and constant disrespect without consequences that is the reason for their departures.

I left (was in a support role) for similar reasons a few years ago.

+1, I left in 2022 and it seems like, from previous co-workers, behaviors continue to decline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question, why do we expect public schools to handle behavior problems? Where are the parents? I'd argue that if parents were truly parenting we would have far fewer problems in school. Of course there would the occasional problem student, or students who a disability that hinders regulation, or the occasional flight and visits to the principals office. BUT the problem today isn't this it's all this and MORE because parents aren't parenting in this country. I can't speak to outside of the country. But here parents refuse to look inward and make changes. Instead they want to blame anyone else- teachers, coaches, friends, social media, video games, etc. I'm sympathetic to the fact that parenting today is a lot harder than ever before BUT that doesn't absolve parents of the responsibility.

Talk to your kids about behavior from a young age. Model good respectful behavior. Get involved in the school in small or big ways. Ask about their homework and check in periodically with the teacher. Just set it in your phone calendar like you would any important meeting. Bad behavior doesn't just come from nowhere, there is usually a cause and effect. If parents make time for their kids and check in and connect, it would go a long way, I think.

Seriously? Yes, of course, better parenting is important. But, if teachers have NO tools to control kids, things happen.

It's also not just the parenting at home, but also the parents attitude/relationship towards the school/teacher. If it's primarily adversarial, the kid is gonna internalize that and see their misbehavior or disrespect as legitimized by their parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoever the op of this thread is:

- it’s been three years and behavior is poor and getting worse every year.

FCPS is asleep at the wheel.

It's not an FCPS issue. My cousin is an elementary school teacher in Florida. She's ready to quit because of how poorly behaved the kids have become, and how awful the parents are.

+1. Very few public school districts have a good handle on behavior anymore.

This all goes directly back to the “Dear Colleagues” letter during the Obama administration.

No it doesn't. That didn't help, but NCLB was the major catalyst.