New York Times Article about failing Hasidic Schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That article was heartbreaking. The root of the problem seems to be that these communities use their power as a voting block to pressure politicians to cave to their demands. I was wondering if the Governor of NY could put the schools into receivership and turn the power of oversight to the New York State Department of Education. Since that body is not elected, they could make demands of the schools without the fear of losing their jobs. The fact that we are allowing young people to leave school without a working knowledge of English, the language of employment in the United States, is criminal. We have mandatory school attendance laws in the country because we have a shared belief that through education every citizen can gain the skills to become self-supporting. These schools are not fulfilling that important role.

It's more complicated. They are in NY and they vote democratic. Given how blue NY is, they are not that crucial to the mayor or the governor. Yes, maybe some city council member or state senator get sacked, but then they are entitled to representation, aren't they?

The problem is that they don't fit neatly into the popular narrative. It's not that they do not educate their boys, they teach them some pretty complicated stuff that has no connection to mainstream American life and is not taught in English. It's hard to crack down on that without starting on a slippery slope to something decidedly un-American. Unlike in some other countries, it's not considered acceptable here to say that everyone must speak English, or everyone must be employable or self-supporting.

The girls, btw, are doing better because they are not considered worthy to learn the hard stuff, so they study math and English. According to that article, the girls perform about the same as the low income kids from public schools, which makes sense. Also I am pretty sure they had zero prep for those tests, although even low income public schools do some.

They do not vote Democratic. Orthodox, typically vote Republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That article was heartbreaking. The root of the problem seems to be that these communities use their power as a voting block to pressure politicians to cave to their demands. I was wondering if the Governor of NY could put the schools into receivership and turn the power of oversight to the New York State Department of Education. Since that body is not elected, they could make demands of the schools without the fear of losing their jobs. The fact that we are allowing young people to leave school without a working knowledge of English, the language of employment in the United States, is criminal. We have mandatory school attendance laws in the country because we have a shared belief that through education every citizen can gain the skills to become self-supporting. These schools are not fulfilling that important role.

It's more complicated. They are in NY and they vote democratic. Given how blue NY is, they are not that crucial to the mayor or the governor. Yes, maybe some city council member or state senator get sacked, but then they are entitled to representation, aren't they?

The problem is that they don't fit neatly into the popular narrative. It's not that they do not educate their boys, they teach them some pretty complicated stuff that has no connection to mainstream American life and is not taught in English. It's hard to crack down on that without starting on a slippery slope to something decidedly un-American. Unlike in some other countries, it's not considered acceptable here to say that everyone must speak English, or everyone must be employable or self-supporting.

The girls, btw, are doing better because they are not considered worthy to learn the hard stuff, so they study math and English. According to that article, the girls perform about the same as the low income kids from public schools, which makes sense. Also I am pretty sure they had zero prep for those tests, although even low income public schools do some.

They do not vote Democratic. Orthodox, typically vote Republican.

These are Hasidic Jews, who vote as they are told. They do not vote independently, as more modern Orthodox would. In NY, in local elections, they usually vote Democratic. Many also voted for Trump.

[Anonymous]

I’m surprised nobody has yet mentioned the recent outbreak of polio in NY, thanks to this community who does not vaccinate. This should, frankly, be a reason to shut down the schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That article was heartbreaking. The root of the problem seems to be that these communities use their power as a voting block to pressure politicians to cave to their demands. I was wondering if the Governor of NY could put the schools into receivership and turn the power of oversight to the New York State Department of Education. Since that body is not elected, they could make demands of the schools without the fear of losing their jobs. The fact that we are allowing young people to leave school without a working knowledge of English, the language of employment in the United States, is criminal. We have mandatory school attendance laws in the country because we have a shared belief that through education every citizen can gain the skills to become self-supporting. These schools are not fulfilling that important role.

It's more complicated. They are in NY and they vote democratic. Given how blue NY is, they are not that crucial to the mayor or the governor. Yes, maybe some city council member or state senator get sacked, but then they are entitled to representation, aren't they?

The problem is that they don't fit neatly into the popular narrative. It's not that they do not educate their boys, they teach them some pretty complicated stuff that has no connection to mainstream American life and is not taught in English. It's hard to crack down on that without starting on a slippery slope to something decidedly un-American. Unlike in some other countries, it's not considered acceptable here to say that everyone must speak English, or everyone must be employable or self-supporting.

The girls, btw, are doing better because they are not considered worthy to learn the hard stuff, so they study math and English. According to that article, the girls perform about the same as the low income kids from public schools, which makes sense. Also I am pretty sure they had zero prep for those tests, although even low income public schools do some.

They do not vote Democratic. Orthodox, typically vote Republican.

Thank you. The Hasidim vote 100% Republican. Check Kiryas Joel in NY or Lakewood in NJ.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you need to move.

Sad to say, but it's clear you do indeed need to move.[/quote


OP here...yes I do. We spent 20 years in our home and have done many upgrades inside and out because we wanted to stay here. We have a beautiful piece of property that I love more than the modest home we live in and that is the part I will most regret leaving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to get involved or move. The trouble is, so few people actually vote or pay attention, its easy for fundamentalist groups -- or any group willing to do the work -- to come in and take over.

For about 5 years there have been groups of people in my town fighting the over building, the permits for dormitories (remember this is a semi-rural town now), the massive quantity of schools and duplexes and other high density housing, the blockbusting, the takeover of the school board, etc. Plenty of us were involved and it did absolutely nothing. I could fill a book with the horrible things that have been done to friends and neighbors in this town.

Anyone that says this is about what religion they are practicing is insulting all of us that have to uproot our lives or live with people that teach their kids to spit on other kids and yell "gentiles get out this is our town now", throw eggs at our homes, kill chickens by whipping them around by the neck and then throwing them into garbage cans to rot, some of them still alive (a protected religious ritual apparently), etc.

I couldn't give a shit what religion someone practices but these are just a few examples of things that have been done in my town. Not to mention the blockbusting. Over 25% of the residences in my town are now apparently owned by LLCs that are owned by Hasidic people, and they rent the homes out to multiple families at a time. Around the corner there are 4 families living in one home. It is part of the blockbusting tactic. They recently threatened that if their schools weren't approved (7 just on one road near me), then they would force the zoning board to allow the high density homes with 8 bedrooms that they have going up in another town. FYI we have one acre zoning here, and they are forcing our hand to either eliminate that or allow 7 schools on a residential semi-rural road that can in no way handle the capacity of 7 schools. Our quality of life will be nil.

There is a previously beautiful retirement village in my town that has been decimated as well. So many of the retired people that bought their homes and expected to live in peace there for the rest of their lives are moving because of these things listed, as well as the fact that the boards of these HOAs have been taken over as well and the by laws changed to where couples can no longer swim together because their religion prohibits men and women swimming together.

Again....I hope anyone reading that dares to insult me by saying this is about anti semitism thinks again and ponders whether they would even consider living in a town like this.

It is very sad for all of us. I have heard I would have to leave the state if I want my children to never have to deal with this in their lifetimes.

In case anyone hasn't guess yet, I live in NJ. Look up Lakewood, NJ. The largest Yeshiva in the world, including Israel is in Lakewood.

they followed ZERO covid restrictions and were taking buses back and forth to Brooklyn during even the height of the pandemic for weddings, funerals, etc.


It makes life very difficult to live around a group like this. I'd rather move next to the Amish. At least they don't take anything from the government. The Hasidic practically live off the government in many ways I won't go into.


Any denial of anything they want is met with a lawsuit claiming antisemitism. And they win.


If you want to go down the rabbit hole, there are plenty of links in this thread about Kiryas Joel, Monsey, Ramapo, Lakewood, etc. I can't even enjoy my home anymore knowing I'm just gearing up to sell because I'm pretty much being forced to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That article was heartbreaking. The root of the problem seems to be that these communities use their power as a voting block to pressure politicians to cave to their demands. I was wondering if the Governor of NY could put the schools into receivership and turn the power of oversight to the New York State Department of Education. Since that body is not elected, they could make demands of the schools without the fear of losing their jobs. The fact that we are allowing young people to leave school without a working knowledge of English, the language of employment in the United States, is criminal. We have mandatory school attendance laws in the country because we have a shared belief that through education every citizen can gain the skills to become self-supporting. These schools are not fulfilling that important role.

It's more complicated. They are in NY and they vote democratic. Given how blue NY is, they are not that crucial to the mayor or the governor. Yes, maybe some city council member or state senator get sacked, but then they are entitled to representation, aren't they?

The problem is that they don't fit neatly into the popular narrative. It's not that they do not educate their boys, they teach them some pretty complicated stuff that has no connection to mainstream American life and is not taught in English. It's hard to crack down on that without starting on a slippery slope to something decidedly un-American. Unlike in some other countries, it's not considered acceptable here to say that everyone must speak English, or everyone must be employable or self-supporting.

The girls, btw, are doing better because they are not considered worthy to learn the hard stuff, so they study math and English. According to that article, the girls perform about the same as the low income kids from public schools, which makes sense. Also I am pretty sure they had zero prep for those tests, although even low income public schools do some.

They do not vote Democratic. Orthodox, typically vote Republican.

Thank you. The Hasidim vote 100% Republican. Check Kiryas Joel in NY or Lakewood in NJ.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

Presidential election only. Locally they vote Democratic. They split their votes for whomever does them favors. One of Trump’s first acts as president was to pardon an orthodox man who ran a chicken processing plant in the Midwest that employed mostly illegal immigrants and was convicted of violating labor laws and fraud, if I remember correctly. Locally they have the democrats in their pockets, up to and including the governor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That article was heartbreaking. The root of the problem seems to be that these communities use their power as a voting block to pressure politicians to cave to their demands. I was wondering if the Governor of NY could put the schools into receivership and turn the power of oversight to the New York State Department of Education. Since that body is not elected, they could make demands of the schools without the fear of losing their jobs. The fact that we are allowing young people to leave school without a working knowledge of English, the language of employment in the United States, is criminal. We have mandatory school attendance laws in the country because we have a shared belief that through education every citizen can gain the skills to become self-supporting. These schools are not fulfilling that important role.

It's more complicated. They are in NY and they vote democratic. Given how blue NY is, they are not that crucial to the mayor or the governor. Yes, maybe some city council member or state senator get sacked, but then they are entitled to representation, aren't they?

The problem is that they don't fit neatly into the popular narrative. It's not that they do not educate their boys, they teach them some pretty complicated stuff that has no connection to mainstream American life and is not taught in English. It's hard to crack down on that without starting on a slippery slope to something decidedly un-American. Unlike in some other countries, it's not considered acceptable here to say that everyone must speak English, or everyone must be employable or self-supporting.

The girls, btw, are doing better because they are not considered worthy to learn the hard stuff, so they study math and English. According to that article, the girls perform about the same as the low income kids from public schools, which makes sense. Also I am pretty sure they had zero prep for those tests, although even low income public schools do some.

They do not vote Democratic. Orthodox, typically vote Republican.

Thank you. The Hasidim vote 100% Republican. Check Kiryas Joel in NY or Lakewood in NJ.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

Presidential election only. Locally they vote Democratic. They split their votes for whomever does them favors. One of Trump’s first acts as president was to pardon an orthodox man who ran a chicken processing plant in the Midwest that employed mostly illegal immigrants and was convicted of violating labor laws and fraud, if I remember correctly. Locally they have the democrats in their pockets, up to and including the governor.

There are plenty of Hasidic and Orthodox here in Md, and I can tell you, and you can believe me on this, as I live as a member- they vote Republican. Those who do not shut up.

It's astonishing how,as descendants of the Holocaust, people cannot see what is happening with the R party. But, it's about Israel and what they view as religious freedom. Look at the Yeshiva U reaction to the Supreme Ct ruling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That article was heartbreaking. The root of the problem seems to be that these communities use their power as a voting block to pressure politicians to cave to their demands. I was wondering if the Governor of NY could put the schools into receivership and turn the power of oversight to the New York State Department of Education. Since that body is not elected, they could make demands of the schools without the fear of losing their jobs. The fact that we are allowing young people to leave school without a working knowledge of English, the language of employment in the United States, is criminal. We have mandatory school attendance laws in the country because we have a shared belief that through education every citizen can gain the skills to become self-supporting. These schools are not fulfilling that important role.

It's more complicated. They are in NY and they vote democratic. Given how blue NY is, they are not that crucial to the mayor or the governor. Yes, maybe some city council member or state senator get sacked, but then they are entitled to representation, aren't they?

The problem is that they don't fit neatly into the popular narrative. It's not that they do not educate their boys, they teach them some pretty complicated stuff that has no connection to mainstream American life and is not taught in English. It's hard to crack down on that without starting on a slippery slope to something decidedly un-American. Unlike in some other countries, it's not considered acceptable here to say that everyone must speak English, or everyone must be employable or self-supporting.

The girls, btw, are doing better because they are not considered worthy to learn the hard stuff, so they study math and English. According to that article, the girls perform about the same as the low income kids from public schools, which makes sense. Also I am pretty sure they had zero prep for those tests, although even low income public schools do some.

They do not vote Democratic. Orthodox, typically vote Republican.

Thank you. The Hasidim vote 100% Republican. Check Kiryas Joel in NY or Lakewood in NJ.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

Presidential election only. Locally they vote Democratic. They split their votes for whomever does them favors. One of Trump’s first acts as president was to pardon an orthodox man who ran a chicken processing plant in the Midwest that employed mostly illegal immigrants and was convicted of violating labor laws and fraud, if I remember correctly. Locally they have the democrats in their pockets, up to and including the governor.

There are plenty of Hasidic and Orthodox here in Md, and I can tell you, and you can believe me on this, as I live as a member- they vote Republican. Those who do not shut up.

It's astonishing how,as descendants of the Holocaust, people cannot see what is happening with the R party. But, it's about Israel and what they view as religious freedom. Look at the Yeshiva U reaction to the Supreme Ct ruling.

Maybe in MD, but that’s not what happens in Kiryas Joel and New Square.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to get involved or move. The trouble is, so few people actually vote or pay attention, its easy for fundamentalist groups -- or any group willing to do the work -- to come in and take over.

For about 5 years there have been groups of people in my town fighting the over building, the permits for dormitories (remember this is a semi-rural town now), the massive quantity of schools and duplexes and other high density housing, the blockbusting, the takeover of the school board, etc. Plenty of us were involved and it did absolutely nothing. I could fill a book with the horrible things that have been done to friends and neighbors in this town.

Anyone that says this is about what religion they are practicing is insulting all of us that have to uproot our lives or live with people that teach their kids to spit on other kids and yell "gentiles get out this is our town now", throw eggs at our homes, kill chickens by whipping them around by the neck and then throwing them into garbage cans to rot, some of them still alive (a protected religious ritual apparently), etc.

I couldn't give a shit what religion someone practices but these are just a few examples of things that have been done in my town. Not to mention the blockbusting. Over 25% of the residences in my town are now apparently owned by LLCs that are owned by Hasidic people, and they rent the homes out to multiple families at a time. Around the corner there are 4 families living in one home. It is part of the blockbusting tactic. They recently threatened that if their schools weren't approved (7 just on one road near me), then they would force the zoning board to allow the high density homes with 8 bedrooms that they have going up in another town. FYI we have one acre zoning here, and they are forcing our hand to either eliminate that or allow 7 schools on a residential semi-rural road that can in no way handle the capacity of 7 schools. Our quality of life will be nil.

There is a previously beautiful retirement village in my town that has been decimated as well. So many of the retired people that bought their homes and expected to live in peace there for the rest of their lives are moving because of these things listed, as well as the fact that the boards of these HOAs have been taken over as well and the by laws changed to where couples can no longer swim together because their religion prohibits men and women swimming together.

Again....I hope anyone reading that dares to insult me by saying this is about anti semitism thinks again and ponders whether they would even consider living in a town like this.

It is very sad for all of us. I have heard I would have to leave the state if I want my children to never have to deal with this in their lifetimes.

In case anyone hasn't guess yet, I live in NJ. Look up Lakewood, NJ. The largest Yeshiva in the world, including Israel is in Lakewood.

they followed ZERO covid restrictions and were taking buses back and forth to Brooklyn during even the height of the pandemic for weddings, funerals, etc.


It makes life very difficult to live around a group like this. I'd rather move next to the Amish. At least they don't take anything from the government. The Hasidic practically live off the government in many ways I won't go into.


Any denial of anything they want is met with a lawsuit claiming antisemitism. And they win.


If you want to go down the rabbit hole, there are plenty of links in this thread about Kiryas Joel, Monsey, Ramapo, Lakewood, etc. I can't even enjoy my home anymore knowing I'm just gearing up to sell because I'm pretty much being forced to.

I’m sorry. I grew up in Rockland. I’ve seen the changes. My sister lives in our family home which is in one of the more affordable, closer-to-town areas of Clarkstown. The home purchases have started. It will go next, or possibly Nyack, now that land has been bought there too. I understand what’s happening where you live. I wish there was a clear way to resolve the conflict, but I don’t see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to get involved or move. The trouble is, so few people actually vote or pay attention, its easy for fundamentalist groups -- or any group willing to do the work -- to come in and take over.

For about 5 years there have been groups of people in my town fighting the over building, the permits for dormitories (remember this is a semi-rural town now), the massive quantity of schools and duplexes and other high density housing, the blockbusting, the takeover of the school board, etc. Plenty of us were involved and it did absolutely nothing. I could fill a book with the horrible things that have been done to friends and neighbors in this town.

Anyone that says this is about what religion they are practicing is insulting all of us that have to uproot our lives or live with people that teach their kids to spit on other kids and yell "gentiles get out this is our town now", throw eggs at our homes, kill chickens by whipping them around by the neck and then throwing them into garbage cans to rot, some of them still alive (a protected religious ritual apparently), etc.

I couldn't give a shit what religion someone practices but these are just a few examples of things that have been done in my town. Not to mention the blockbusting. Over 25% of the residences in my town are now apparently owned by LLCs that are owned by Hasidic people, and they rent the homes out to multiple families at a time. Around the corner there are 4 families living in one home. It is part of the blockbusting tactic. They recently threatened that if their schools weren't approved (7 just on one road near me), then they would force the zoning board to allow the high density homes with 8 bedrooms that they have going up in another town. FYI we have one acre zoning here, and they are forcing our hand to either eliminate that or allow 7 schools on a residential semi-rural road that can in no way handle the capacity of 7 schools. Our quality of life will be nil.

There is a previously beautiful retirement village in my town that has been decimated as well. So many of the retired people that bought their homes and expected to live in peace there for the rest of their lives are moving because of these things listed, as well as the fact that the boards of these HOAs have been taken over as well and the by laws changed to where couples can no longer swim together because their religion prohibits men and women swimming together.

Again....I hope anyone reading that dares to insult me by saying this is about anti semitism thinks again and ponders whether they would even consider living in a town like this.

It is very sad for all of us. I have heard I would have to leave the state if I want my children to never have to deal with this in their lifetimes.

In case anyone hasn't guess yet, I live in NJ. Look up Lakewood, NJ. The largest Yeshiva in the world, including Israel is in Lakewood.

they followed ZERO covid restrictions and were taking buses back and forth to Brooklyn during even the height of the pandemic for weddings, funerals, etc.


It makes life very difficult to live around a group like this. I'd rather move next to the Amish. At least they don't take anything from the government. The Hasidic practically live off the government in many ways I won't go into.


Any denial of anything they want is met with a lawsuit claiming antisemitism. And they win.


If you want to go down the rabbit hole, there are plenty of links in this thread about Kiryas Joel, Monsey, Ramapo, Lakewood, etc. I can't even enjoy my home anymore knowing I'm just gearing up to sell because I'm pretty much being forced to.

I’m sorry. I grew up in Rockland. I’ve seen the changes. My sister lives in our family home which is in one of the more affordable, closer-to-town areas of Clarkstown. The home purchases have started. It will go next, or possibly Nyack, now that land has been bought there too. I understand what’s happening where you live. I wish there was a clear way to resolve the conflict, but I don’t see it.

The conflict of the free market? Are you suggesting there should be a religious test for who can buy a home where?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to get involved or move. The trouble is, so few people actually vote or pay attention, its easy for fundamentalist groups -- or any group willing to do the work -- to come in and take over.

For about 5 years there have been groups of people in my town fighting the over building, the permits for dormitories (remember this is a semi-rural town now), the massive quantity of schools and duplexes and other high density housing, the blockbusting, the takeover of the school board, etc. Plenty of us were involved and it did absolutely nothing. I could fill a book with the horrible things that have been done to friends and neighbors in this town.

Anyone that says this is about what religion they are practicing is insulting all of us that have to uproot our lives or live with people that teach their kids to spit on other kids and yell "gentiles get out this is our town now", throw eggs at our homes, kill chickens by whipping them around by the neck and then throwing them into garbage cans to rot, some of them still alive (a protected religious ritual apparently), etc.

I couldn't give a shit what religion someone practices but these are just a few examples of things that have been done in my town. Not to mention the blockbusting. Over 25% of the residences in my town are now apparently owned by LLCs that are owned by Hasidic people, and they rent the homes out to multiple families at a time. Around the corner there are 4 families living in one home. It is part of the blockbusting tactic. They recently threatened that if their schools weren't approved (7 just on one road near me), then they would force the zoning board to allow the high density homes with 8 bedrooms that they have going up in another town. FYI we have one acre zoning here, and they are forcing our hand to either eliminate that or allow 7 schools on a residential semi-rural road that can in no way handle the capacity of 7 schools. Our quality of life will be nil.

There is a previously beautiful retirement village in my town that has been decimated as well. So many of the retired people that bought their homes and expected to live in peace there for the rest of their lives are moving because of these things listed, as well as the fact that the boards of these HOAs have been taken over as well and the by laws changed to where couples can no longer swim together because their religion prohibits men and women swimming together.

Again....I hope anyone reading that dares to insult me by saying this is about anti semitism thinks again and ponders whether they would even consider living in a town like this.

It is very sad for all of us. I have heard I would have to leave the state if I want my children to never have to deal with this in their lifetimes.

In case anyone hasn't guess yet, I live in NJ. Look up Lakewood, NJ. The largest Yeshiva in the world, including Israel is in Lakewood.

they followed ZERO covid restrictions and were taking buses back and forth to Brooklyn during even the height of the pandemic for weddings, funerals, etc.


It makes life very difficult to live around a group like this. I'd rather move next to the Amish. At least they don't take anything from the government. The Hasidic practically live off the government in many ways I won't go into.


Any denial of anything they want is met with a lawsuit claiming antisemitism. And they win.


If you want to go down the rabbit hole, there are plenty of links in this thread about Kiryas Joel, Monsey, Ramapo, Lakewood, etc. I can't even enjoy my home anymore knowing I'm just gearing up to sell because I'm pretty much being forced to.

I’m sorry. I grew up in Rockland. I’ve seen the changes. My sister lives in our family home which is in one of the more affordable, closer-to-town areas of Clarkstown. The home purchases have started. It will go next, or possibly Nyack, now that land has been bought there too. I understand what’s happening where you live. I wish there was a clear way to resolve the conflict, but I don’t see it.

The conflict of the free market? Are you suggesting there should be a religious test for who can buy a home where?

You’re funny. Try to buy a house in New Square and see how well you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you need to get involved or move. The trouble is, so few people actually vote or pay attention, its easy for fundamentalist groups -- or any group willing to do the work -- to come in and take over.

For about 5 years there have been groups of people in my town fighting the over building, the permits for dormitories (remember this is a semi-rural town now), the massive quantity of schools and duplexes and other high density housing, the blockbusting, the takeover of the school board, etc. Plenty of us were involved and it did absolutely nothing. I could fill a book with the horrible things that have been done to friends and neighbors in this town.

Anyone that says this is about what religion they are practicing is insulting all of us that have to uproot our lives or live with people that teach their kids to spit on other kids and yell "gentiles get out this is our town now", throw eggs at our homes, kill chickens by whipping them around by the neck and then throwing them into garbage cans to rot, some of them still alive (a protected religious ritual apparently), etc.

I couldn't give a shit what religion someone practices but these are just a few examples of things that have been done in my town. Not to mention the blockbusting. Over 25% of the residences in my town are now apparently owned by LLCs that are owned by Hasidic people, and they rent the homes out to multiple families at a time. Around the corner there are 4 families living in one home. It is part of the blockbusting tactic. They recently threatened that if their schools weren't approved (7 just on one road near me), then they would force the zoning board to allow the high density homes with 8 bedrooms that they have going up in another town. FYI we have one acre zoning here, and they are forcing our hand to either eliminate that or allow 7 schools on a residential semi-rural road that can in no way handle the capacity of 7 schools. Our quality of life will be nil.

There is a previously beautiful retirement village in my town that has been decimated as well. So many of the retired people that bought their homes and expected to live in peace there for the rest of their lives are moving because of these things listed, as well as the fact that the boards of these HOAs have been taken over as well and the by laws changed to where couples can no longer swim together because their religion prohibits men and women swimming together.

Again....I hope anyone reading that dares to insult me by saying this is about anti semitism thinks again and ponders whether they would even consider living in a town like this.

It is very sad for all of us. I have heard I would have to leave the state if I want my children to never have to deal with this in their lifetimes.

In case anyone hasn't guess yet, I live in NJ. Look up Lakewood, NJ. The largest Yeshiva in the world, including Israel is in Lakewood.

they followed ZERO covid restrictions and were taking buses back and forth to Brooklyn during even the height of the pandemic for weddings, funerals, etc.


It makes life very difficult to live around a group like this. I'd rather move next to the Amish. At least they don't take anything from the government. The Hasidic practically live off the government in many ways I won't go into.


Any denial of anything they want is met with a lawsuit claiming antisemitism. And they win.


If you want to go down the rabbit hole, there are plenty of links in this thread about Kiryas Joel, Monsey, Ramapo, Lakewood, etc. I can't even enjoy my home anymore knowing I'm just gearing up to sell because I'm pretty much being forced to.

I’m sorry. I grew up in Rockland. I’ve seen the changes. My sister lives in our family home which is in one of the more affordable, closer-to-town areas of Clarkstown. The home purchases have started. It will go next, or possibly Nyack, now that land has been bought there too. I understand what’s happening where you live. I wish there was a clear way to resolve the conflict, but I don’t see it.

The conflict of the free market? Are you suggesting there should be a religious test for who can buy a home where?

Quit it with the religion bullshit. Not wanting them to do the things they do and has been DOCUMENTED that they do is what people are objecting to. No one in their right mind, other than other Orthodox or Hasidic people would want to live in a town that they have taken advantage of, increased taxes on, don't pay taxes in (a friend works for the state and has confirmed that most of the Hasidic couples are not married legally in order to take advantage of free government programs for "single moms".). There is a ton of proof that this is going on in all of these areas and most people just want to be left alone to live their lives but we AREN'T left alone, and when we don't like it, we are called anti semites. It's frankly disgusting. Doing it in the name of religion is even worse

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Here is MCPS, I know a teacher that works in the public schools as well as a Hebrew school. A major problem is how the students interact with a Rabbi in class vs an actual teacher. The Rabbi's often just ramble on and discuss topics with students verbally with few actual assignments/projects/exams etc. The teachers often expect these assessments and students blow them off.

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Blows my mind that some people still defend them
Why don’t you go buy the OP’s house?
OP, why didn’t you move before? It may be too late now