New York Times Article about failing Hasidic Schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread has degenerated into nothing but gleeful posting of negative stories that aren't even local, about isolated incidences in schools that are far away and not representative of Jewish education. This is just antisemitism under the guise of news. Disgusting. But typical.

I'll bite. America is not a religious theocracy and no group gets to set up a parallel existence that runs counter to the secular values and ideals of the country . If that's anti semitic, sign me up. Someone shared a twitter link upthread about these groups admitting to illegally funneling federal funding into their nonsense. I guess calling that out is anti semitic, whatever the hell that means .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has degenerated into nothing but gleeful posting of negative stories that aren't even local, about isolated incidences in schools that are far away and not representative of Jewish education. This is just antisemitism under the guise of news. Disgusting. But typical.

I'll bite. America is not a religious theocracy and no group gets to set up a parallel existence that runs counter to the secular values and ideals of the country . If that's anti semitic, sign me up. Someone shared a twitter link upthread about these groups admitting to illegally funneling federal funding into their nonsense. I guess calling that out is anti semitic, whatever the hell that means .

It's the part where people started complaining about how Jews were moving in and taking over their neighborhood and oh my god they were going to have to move. That part. Don't f***ing gaslight us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread has degenerated into nothing but gleeful posting of negative stories that aren't even local, about isolated incidences in schools that are far away and not representative of Jewish education. This is just antisemitism under the guise of news. Disgusting. But typical.

No, this is inaccurate. The thread is not off-topic, although your post is close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has degenerated into nothing but gleeful posting of negative stories that aren't even local, about isolated incidences in schools that are far away and not representative of Jewish education. This is just antisemitism under the guise of news. Disgusting. But typical.

I'll bite. America is not a religious theocracy and no group gets to set up a parallel existence that runs counter to the secular values and ideals of the country . If that's anti semitic, sign me up. Someone shared a twitter link upthread about these groups admitting to illegally funneling federal funding into their nonsense. I guess calling that out is anti semitic, whatever the hell that means .

It's the part where people started complaining about how Jews were moving in and taking over their neighborhood and oh my god they were going to have to move. That part. Don't f***ing gaslight us.

You're the one gaslighting yourself (yourselves ?). Why are people moving out? Is it a spontaneous act? Or is it driven by the primitivity of a bunch of religious zealots and their refusal to join modern civilization. If you replace these people with fundamentalist arabs, you wouldn't be so quick to froth about discrimination or whatever victimhood nonsense you're spouting. They are probematic and I'm glad people aren't willing to put up with that crap. If anything, the cowardice of politicians is what got us here. These problems could vanish if elected officials put their foot down once and for all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure how to link an article, but recently there was an article about how 100 percent of the students at some of these Orthodox Hasidic Schools in NY failed standardized testing.

This is a subject I'm quite concerned about as this is affecting my school district directly although I am not in NY. Our town is in the midst of building at least 8 or 10 Orthodox schools (there are zero here now) and our local public school boards have all been taken over by the very same people building these religious schools. There are supposedly plans on the books for at least FIFTEEN more schools in our town over the course of the next decade. The economic devastation this will cause despite the fact that these children are not even receiving a basic education, is astounding. How is it allowed to continue?

I have no problem with people practicing their religion in any way they see fit, provided it doesn't harm others around them. When there is an entire population of children that is going to be unable to provide for themselves and their families, when they cannot read, do basic math, have been abused physically and emotionally apparently (according to the article), this will not only take a toll on the children themselves, but on the greater society to which we all belong.

I also have a huge problem with the tax dollars that are being used to support a school that isn't even providing education...which everyone should be opposed to on principle.

I cannot believe this post has been allowed to remain on the board this long. Is no one going to question the absurdity of the OP's allegation? Jews make up less than 3% of the US population, and Orthodox Jews make up less than 3% of that 3%. 15 schools?? And they have "taken over" the school board, which is elected? This is an antisemitic troll post. And the NYTimes article was a disgrace to the NYT, with little actual data and a lot of generalizations and false comparisons that presented a serious misrepresentation of facts.

This is a very local issue. If you don’t live in the areas impacted, it’s very hard to understand what’s going on. Listen to the This American Life episode posted upthread if you want more information. This isn’t about the larger Jewish community or even Orthodox Jews. This is a very specific sect that functions like a cult. There’s a history of breaking the law and not educating their children to state standards. The men are unemployable and rely on government assistance.

The breaking of building codes has real-life consequences. Firefighter Jared Lloyd died fighting a fire in a senior living center that had unsafe conditions. These things are not okay. https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/rockland/2022/09/07/jared-lloyd-firefighter-wrongful-death-suit-filed-against-spring-valley-rabbis/65742974007/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has degenerated into nothing but gleeful posting of negative stories that aren't even local, about isolated incidences in schools that are far away and not representative of Jewish education. This is just antisemitism under the guise of news. Disgusting. But typical.

I'll bite. America is not a religious theocracy and no group gets to set up a parallel existence that runs counter to the secular values and ideals of the country . If that's anti semitic, sign me up. Someone shared a twitter link upthread about these groups admitting to illegally funneling federal funding into their nonsense. I guess calling that out is anti semitic, whatever the hell that means .

It's the part where people started complaining about how Jews were moving in and taking over their neighborhood and oh my god they were going to have to move. That part. Don't f***ing gaslight us.

Absurd. If a far right Mormon sect took over a school board, it’d be the same thing. In fact, places like Waco, UT or other religious cults get equal condemnation. We’re calling out the damage the far right zealotry has on communities, and in NY it is the Hasidic community who is the most prominent

[Anonymous]

I’m basically opposed to all religions, but especially as they get more extreme. Realistically, I’d move. I feel the same way about the large conservative Catholic community near me, but there aren’t enough of them to mess up the schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m basically opposed to all religions, but especially as they get more extreme. Realistically, I’d move. I feel the same way about the large conservative Catholic community near me, but there aren’t enough of them to mess up the schools.

Also I grew up in Bethesda with tons of Jewish families, probably close to the same percentages as these examples? I really don’t think I’m anti-Semitic. I have no problem with people observing their religion in lots of ways. Dress, work schedules, etc, all fine. An extreme religious community (as in deeply gender restrictive, opposed to education, etc) is not the same thing at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has degenerated into nothing but gleeful posting of negative stories that aren't even local, about isolated incidences in schools that are far away and not representative of Jewish education. This is just antisemitism under the guise of news. Disgusting. But typical.

I'll bite. America is not a religious theocracy and no group gets to set up a parallel existence that runs counter to the secular values and ideals of the country . If that's anti semitic, sign me up. Someone shared a twitter link upthread about these groups admitting to illegally funneling federal funding into their nonsense. I guess calling that out is anti semitic, whatever the hell that means .

It's the part where people started complaining about how Jews were moving in and taking over their neighborhood and oh my god they were going to have to move. That part. Don't f***ing gaslight us.

I am Jewish, went to yeshiva through 8th grade, and there is nothing wrong with being concerned about an extreme sect of any religion taking over government. Did you read how they took over the school board and cut back on funding for schools because they don't use the schools? It's not anti-semitism to be concerned about that.

There is real, scary anti-semitism out there, and then there is the don't criticize Israel/Orthodox community for anything they do allegations of anti-semitism. Both of those are trending up by a lot and if you can't tell the difference it's going to be bad for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has degenerated into nothing but gleeful posting of negative stories that aren't even local, about isolated incidences in schools that are far away and not representative of Jewish education. This is just antisemitism under the guise of news. Disgusting. But typical.

I'll bite. America is not a religious theocracy and no group gets to set up a parallel existence that runs counter to the secular values and ideals of the country . If that's anti semitic, sign me up. Someone shared a twitter link upthread about these groups admitting to illegally funneling federal funding into their nonsense. I guess calling that out is anti semitic, whatever the hell that means .

It's the part where people started complaining about how Jews were moving in and taking over their neighborhood and oh my god they were going to have to move. That part. Don't f***ing gaslight us.

Nope. People are angry about religious fundamentalists moving in a taking over their neighborhood. In this case they happen to be Jewish fundies, but we have plenty of Christian and Muslim fundies in this country as well. Especially Christian fundies.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Ever wonder why there is no real antisemitism in Japan, China or Korea?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ever wonder why there is no real antisemitism in Japan, China or Korea?

Because one doesn't develop negative feelings toward a group until one is constantly exposed to them.

Why are any Jews defending these awful "schools?" Quick to squawk "anti-semite" at anyone who criticizes the schools, but the education is objectively atrocious. And the same people who defend these schools are the first to blast Christian homeschoolers for not being in lock-step with public schools. Christian homeschool publishers have algebra books. Some of these Hasidic kids can barely add!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever wonder why there is no real antisemitism in Japan, China or Korea?

Because one doesn't develop negative feelings toward a group until one is constantly exposed to them.

Why are any Jews defending these awful "schools?" Quick to squawk "anti-semite" at anyone who criticizes the schools, but the education is objectively atrocious. And the same people who defend these schools are the first to blast Christian homeschoolers for not being in lock-step with public schools. Christian homeschool publishers have algebra books. Some of these Hasidic kids can barely add!

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has degenerated into nothing but gleeful posting of negative stories that aren't even local, about isolated incidences in schools that are far away and not representative of Jewish education. This is just antisemitism under the guise of news. Disgusting. But typical.

I'll bite. America is not a religious theocracy and no group gets to set up a parallel existence that runs counter to the secular values and ideals of the country . If that's anti semitic, sign me up. Someone shared a twitter link upthread about these groups admitting to illegally funneling federal funding into their nonsense. I guess calling that out is anti semitic, whatever the hell that means .

USA is NOT secular! France is secular. USA is *diverse*.