Time to Unite on Gun Control

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. I support banning guns. But how will you get the million s of guns already you there? Do you really think people will just hand them over?

No. The new regulations have to include money to invest in buying back the illegal weapons. There are places where this has been done successfully.

So how much to buy back a weapon? If someone is already in possession of "an illegal weapon" it's going to take a lot of money to get them to turn it over. What do you think that price will be?

Keep in mind that many of these people see these weapons as the means to defend their family. You're essentially asking them to put a price on their child's safety and possibly even their life.

How much money would it take for YOU to sacrifice your child's life?

I tell you what - the dynamic has flipped - there is NO limit to what I'll pay to make sure my kids are never in the situation those kids were. If the "law and order" brigade won't comply to a reinstated assault weapons ban they'll have to face much bigger consequences than whatever fear they are currently living in. I'd vote for making buy-back fair - price paid plus inflation to 2022. Value of buyback would decline over time.

"Price paid plus inflation" is not going to get the guns back. You said there is no limit to what you'd pay---there are parents who are gun owners that feel the same way.

Please don’t speak for all gun owners. I refuse to believe responsible gun owners would not agree that some reform s necessary. No automatic assault rifles. Background checks, training. We can agree on this.

I'm not a gun owner.

PP that said "I'm not a gun owner" here .

And really? You "refuse to believe that responsible gun owners would not agree that some reform is necessary"--but do you believe ALL gun owners are "responsible?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. I support banning guns. But how will you get the million s of guns already you there? Do you really think people will just hand them over?

No. The new regulations have to include money to invest in buying back the illegal weapons. There are places where this has been done successfully.

So how much to buy back a weapon? If someone is already in possession of "an illegal weapon" it's going to take a lot of money to get them to turn it over. What do you think that price will be?

Keep in mind that many of these people see these weapons as the means to defend their family. You're essentially asking them to put a price on their child's safety and possibly even their life.

How much money would it take for YOU to sacrifice your child's life?

How many rounds do you think you need in a clip to protect them? How many rounds did that kid in Texas have? If you’re NRA, you’d better get them to start making some concessions, because this mom here (and many others) are coming for them. To protect MY kids.

Lol, I'm not the NRA. I honestly have no idea how many rounds someone would need, and also have no idea how many rounds that kid in Texas had. I do wonder where an 18 year old part time fast food worker got the money for all of that. I also know that people who feel strongly about their right to own a weapon are not going to give it up for "purchase price plus inflation."
How will you and other moms "come for" these guns? Are you planning to break into the homes of people you think have them?

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I’m fighting for reforms.

On your laptop? That's not going to stop the people that already own/want to buy guns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. I support banning guns. But how will you get the million s of guns already you there? Do you really think people will just hand them over?

No. The new regulations have to include money to invest in buying back the illegal weapons. There are places where this has been done successfully.

So how much to buy back a weapon? If someone is already in possession of "an illegal weapon" it's going to take a lot of money to get them to turn it over. What do you think that price will be?

Keep in mind that many of these people see these weapons as the means to defend their family. You're essentially asking them to put a price on their child's safety and possibly even their life.

How much money would it take for YOU to sacrifice your child's life?

I tell you what - the dynamic has flipped - there is NO limit to what I'll pay to make sure my kids are never in the situation those kids were. If the "law and order" brigade won't comply to a reinstated assault weapons ban they'll have to face much bigger consequences than whatever fear they are currently living in. I'd vote for making buy-back fair - price paid plus inflation to 2022. Value of buyback would decline over time.

"Price paid plus inflation" is not going to get the guns back. You said there is no limit to what you'd pay---there are parents who are gun owners that feel the same way.

Please don’t speak for all gun owners. I refuse to believe responsible gun owners would not agree that some reform s necessary. No automatic assault rifles. Background checks, training. We can agree on this.

I'm not a gun owner.

PP that said "I'm not a gun owner" here .

And really? You "refuse to believe that responsible gun owners would not agree that some reform is necessary"--but do you believe ALL gun owners are "responsible?"

No - but 90+% of gun owners are responsible. I'm tired in being lumped in with the mentally ill minority who have guns like the AR-15 as toys/security blankets. The choice has always been to align with any other gun owner rather than those who would ban them - THAT is what has changed. Just like the way the local police are going to be pushed under the bus - I'm done with NRA tactic of aligning all gun owners interests with the most extreme. Assault weapons and body armor ban, training/background checks and sure even insurance requirement as long as individual and not "pooled risk" with the crazies.

[Anonymous]

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We need to repeal the second amendment. Replace it with a blanket ban on firearm possession and sales, with few exceptions for hunting and similar sports.

The burden of proof has to be on the individual: license (like driving: theory and practicum, final exam), psychiatrist assessment and full background check.

No fully automated or assault type weapons, no handguns, no accessories allowing modifications to that end, and criminalization of modifications of weapons. A variety of semi-automated hunting rifles allowed only.

Note: handguns are the most lethal firearms - they are responsible for over half of gun deaths in the USA, through accidental discharge, suicide and homicide. They need to be completely banned.

Totally, 100% agree with this. We need to create hurdles and serious accountability for gun ownership. A person wanting to own or use a gun should have a bar at least as high as car owners and drivers have. Training, tests, identification, insurance, yearly inspections and /or renewal of license. Proof of an adequate and secure storage safe. Age limit should be at least as high as drinking age, preferably higher. Your gun was stolen and used in commission of a crime? The first question asked should be, “were you negligent in storing your gun? Convince us that you weren’t, or hefty fines and jail time could be yours.”

No more bs, no more Christmas cards of the entire family proudly showing off their AK-whatevers, no more ‘my troubled kid somehow broke into my antique glass gun display cabinet and used an automatic weapon to gleefully slaughter a bunch of innocents.’ Guns as toys has to end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

We need to repeal the second amendment. Replace it with a blanket ban on firearm possession and sales, with few exceptions for hunting and similar sports.

The burden of proof has to be on the individual: license (like driving: theory and practicum, final exam), psychiatrist assessment and full background check.

No fully automated or assault type weapons, no handguns, no accessories allowing modifications to that end, and criminalization of modifications of weapons. A variety of semi-automated hunting rifles allowed only.

Note: handguns are the most lethal firearms - they are responsible for over half of gun deaths in the USA, through accidental discharge, suicide and homicide. They need to be completely banned.

Totally, 100% agree with this. We need to create hurdles and serious accountability for gun ownership. A person wanting to own or use a gun should have a bar at least as high as car owners and drivers have. Training, tests, identification, insurance, yearly inspections and /or renewal of license. Proof of an adequate and secure storage safe. Age limit should be at least as high as drinking age, preferably higher. Your gun was stolen and used in commission of a crime? The first question asked should be, “were you negligent in storing your gun? Convince us that you weren’t, or hefty fines and jail time could be yours.”

No more bs, no more Christmas cards of the entire family proudly showing off their AK-whatevers, no more ‘my troubled kid somehow broke into my antique glass gun display cabinet and used an automatic weapon to gleefully slaughter a bunch of innocents.’ Guns as toys has to end.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. I support banning guns. But how will you get the million s of guns already you there? Do you really think people will just hand them over?

No. The new regulations have to include money to invest in buying back the illegal weapons. There are places where this has been done successfully.

So how much to buy back a weapon? If someone is already in possession of "an illegal weapon" it's going to take a lot of money to get them to turn it over. What do you think that price will be?

Keep in mind that many of these people see these weapons as the means to defend their family. You're essentially asking them to put a price on their child's safety and possibly even their life.

How much money would it take for YOU to sacrifice your child's life?

I tell you what - the dynamic has flipped - there is NO limit to what I'll pay to make sure my kids are never in the situation those kids were. If the "law and order" brigade won't comply to a reinstated assault weapons ban they'll have to face much bigger consequences than whatever fear they are currently living in. I'd vote for making buy-back fair - price paid plus inflation to 2022. Value of buyback would decline over time.

"Price paid plus inflation" is not going to get the guns back. You said there is no limit to what you'd pay---there are parents who are gun owners that feel the same way.

Please don’t speak for all gun owners. I refuse to believe responsible gun owners would not agree that some reform s necessary. No automatic assault rifles. Background checks, training. We can agree on this.

I'm not a gun owner.

PP that said "I'm not a gun owner" here .

And really? You "refuse to believe that responsible gun owners would not agree that some reform is necessary"--but do you believe ALL gun owners are "responsible?"

Duh. Obviously not. What’s wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question. I support banning guns. But how will you get the million s of guns already you there? Do you really think people will just hand them over?

No. The new regulations have to include money to invest in buying back the illegal weapons. There are places where this has been done successfully.

So how much to buy back a weapon? If someone is already in possession of "an illegal weapon" it's going to take a lot of money to get them to turn it over. What do you think that price will be?

Keep in mind that many of these people see these weapons as the means to defend their family. You're essentially asking them to put a price on their child's safety and possibly even their life.

How much money would it take for YOU to sacrifice your child's life?

You change the laws and spend the time and money to enforce them. We have all had to live with the gun nuts in charge of the rules for years but we don't have to. We can change the rules to bend to the will of the people of you vote for representation that will write the rules you are asking for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ban AR-15 and LARP-alikes. Require background check, training and and owners liability insurance for owners of other guns.

2A doesn't allow me to have a tank, or a nuclear missile. If objective is to overthrow tyrannical government I'd need at least that. Needs a grown-up conversation and dedicated single-issue voting and political donations until it isn't easier to buy a gun than a car.

Lack of action after Sandy Hook is our national shame. This ten years later is our wake-up of our obligation to make it right.

I'm in. Now a single issue voter. Voting in every single election.

Me, too. I’m not a political person, but I’m absolutely sick of this shit. This is the shame of our nation.

With all due respect, this is why you can't afford *not* to be a political person. Politics is how decisions are made that affect our lives Every. Single. Day.

This is your wakeup call. If you care about your children's future, you MUST be a political person.

[Anonymous]

Executive Order mandating all gun purchases people over age 21 and pass background checks. Delay in time of purchase to when gun is available.

[Anonymous]

We got rid of our ARs and hand guns years ago, when we had children. We had them locked in a gun safe and only took them to the range. I still didn’t want them in the house once our kids were born. That was 15 years ago. We were responsible gun owners and I can tell you for sure, we were not the problem. We would have complied with any law at any time. If they were outlawed, we would have turned them in. A buy back program would not have been an incentive since we don’t need the money.

I can also tell you that people who actually have guns to commit crimes would not be enticed by a voluntary buy back of purchase price plus inflation. I think stricter gun laws are needed but also stricter discipline in schools and more consequences for crimes all around. And of course, addressing mental health. We know banning things and making laws do not automatically stop murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We got rid of our ARs and hand guns years ago, when we had children. We had them locked in a gun safe and only took them to the range. I still didn’t want them in the house once our kids were born. That was 15 years ago. We were responsible gun owners and I can tell you for sure, we were not the problem. We would have complied with any law at any time. If they were outlawed, we would have turned them in. A buy back program would not have been an incentive since we don’t need the money.

I can also tell you that people who actually have guns to commit crimes would not be enticed by a voluntary buy back of purchase price plus inflation. I think stricter gun laws are needed but also stricter discipline in schools and more consequences for crimes all around. And of course, addressing mental health. We know banning things and making laws do not automatically stop murder.

I think there are many reasonable gun owners like yourselves.

Buy back cash would be a "nudge" in some cases (not yours) and for fairness - perhaps also should be an option to donate it with extra matching to families of victims of assault weapons.

Assault weapon ban won't be a total fix - but it is the least we must do

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

We need to repeal the second amendment. Replace it with a blanket ban on firearm possession and sales, with few exceptions for hunting and similar sports.

The burden of proof has to be on the individual: license (like driving: theory and practicum, final exam), psychiatrist assessment and full background check.

No fully automated or assault type weapons, no handguns, no accessories allowing modifications to that end, and criminalization of modifications of weapons. A variety of semi-automated hunting rifles allowed only.

Note: handguns are the most lethal firearms - they are responsible for over half of gun deaths in the USA, through accidental discharge, suicide and homicide. They need to be completely banned.

The 2nd amendment doesn't need to be repealed. It could be interpreted the way it was until 2008. Before then, the 2nd amendment was interpreted not as an individual right, but as a collective one meant to prevent the federal government from taking away states' rights to defend themselves (with militias). The current legal interpretation of the 2nd amendment is another perversion visited upon us by federalist society fascists. This is a good discussion:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

These are the same goons, BTW, who visited Citizens United upon us, allowing an explosion in dark money funding in politics, which has been found to have greatly advantaged Republicans in elections, and who soon will be imposing abortion bans-- all decisions that are opposed by a majority of Americans. Our democracy is slowly being taken apart, and most of us have stood by and let it happen because "I'm not a political person." Well. This is why you can't afford NOT to be a political person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We got rid of our ARs and hand guns years ago, when we had children. We had them locked in a gun safe and only took them to the range. I still didn’t want them in the house once our kids were born. That was 15 years ago. We were responsible gun owners and I can tell you for sure, we were not the problem. We would have complied with any law at any time. If they were outlawed, we would have turned them in. A buy back program would not have been an incentive since we don’t need the money.

I can also tell you that people who actually have guns to commit crimes would not be enticed by a voluntary buy back of purchase price plus inflation. I think stricter gun laws are needed but also stricter discipline in schools and more consequences for crimes all around. And of course, addressing mental health. We know banning things and making laws do not automatically stop murder.

Let’s focus on stricter gun laws for now. And with urgency.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. I support banning guns. But how will you get the million s of guns already you there? Do you really think people will just hand them over?

No. The new regulations have to include money to invest in buying back the illegal weapons. There are places where this has been done successfully.

So how much to buy back a weapon? If someone is already in possession of "an illegal weapon" it's going to take a lot of money to get them to turn it over. What do you think that price will be?

Keep in mind that many of these people see these weapons as the means to defend their family. You're essentially asking them to put a price on their child's safety and possibly even their life.

How much money would it take for YOU to sacrifice your child's life?

Why should everyone else's safety be held hostage so the paranoid hicks can feel safe? How many children have to die before we get rid of the guns? This disturbed 18yo was able to go buy two dangerous weapons with ease and then the "good guys with guns" just stood outside while children were slaughtered. The gun nut crowd is morally bankrupt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question. I support banning guns. But how will you get the million s of guns already you there? Do you really think people will just hand them over?

No. The new regulations have to include money to invest in buying back the illegal weapons. There are places where this has been done successfully.

So how much to buy back a weapon? If someone is already in possession of "an illegal weapon" it's going to take a lot of money to get them to turn it over. What do you think that price will be?

Keep in mind that many of these people see these weapons as the means to defend their family. You're essentially asking them to put a price on their child's safety and possibly even their life.

How much money would it take for YOU to sacrifice your child's life?

Why should everyone else's safety be held hostage so the paranoid hicks can feel safe? How many children have to die before we get rid of the guns? This disturbed 18yo was able to go buy two dangerous weapons with ease and then the "good guys with guns" just stood outside while children were slaughtered. The gun nut crowd is morally bankrupt.

You don't understand. I am not saying that "we" are obligated to acquiesce to their (the gun owners) wishes. I am saying that regardless of what laws are passed or what incentives are offered ("buy back" at purchase price plus inflation) they are not going to hand them over.