Ali Wong divorcing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I keep coming back to this quote in the article:

As a result, the Always Be My Maybe star shared she became "more motivated to make my own money because I signed a document specifically outlining how much I couldn't depend on my husband,"

This is sad to me. I think especially after she became successful, the feeling that she believed in her husband but he didn’t believe in her would be increasingly hurtful. She tries to rationalize it so many ways and that’s what it comes down to: The person she married didn’t believe in her. I think there’s even part of Baby Covra where she says she used her TV money to pay off some of his debts? Ouch. That has to sting. I’m not surprised they’re getting divorced.

The "how much I couldn't depend on my husband" is very telling. Clearly there were issues before the wedding.

I think there may have been shame on her behalf, and possibly her family or origin, that his family made her sign a prenup, signalling that his family was better than hers. Better financially, in stature. She may have been perceived as a loser, a gold digger, “he or they didn’t believe in her”. She couldn’t depend on him to support her. They or he didnt seem to see that the marriage was long term. Money is an awkward thing in Asian cultures. A lot of pride around money. I am Asian, and I completely understand where she was coming from, the need to show him and his family that she was not a gold digger or loser. The anger, but also satisfaction in showing them they were wrong, when she ended up working a lot harder than him, laying their bills. That they did not have boys may have also been problematic. Grandsons would be more valued unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep coming back to this quote in the article:

As a result, the Always Be My Maybe star shared she became "more motivated to make my own money because I signed a document specifically outlining how much I couldn't depend on my husband,"

This is sad to me. I think especially after she became successful, the feeling that she believed in her husband but he didn’t believe in her would be increasingly hurtful. She tries to rationalize it so many ways and that’s what it comes down to: The person she married didn’t believe in her. I think there’s even part of Baby Covra where she says she used her TV money to pay off some of his debts? Ouch. That has to sting. I’m not surprised they’re getting divorced.

The "how much I couldn't depend on my husband" is very telling. Clearly there were issues before the wedding.

I think there may have been shame on her behalf, and possibly her family or origin, that his family made her sign a prenup, signalling that his family was better than hers. Better financially, in stature. She may have been perceived as a loser, a gold digger, “he or they didn’t believe in her”. She couldn’t depend on him to support her. They or he didnt seem to see that the marriage was long term. Money is an awkward thing in Asian cultures. A lot of pride around money. I am Asian, and I completely understand where she was coming from, the need to show him and his family that she was not a gold digger or loser. The anger, but also satisfaction in showing them they were wrong, when she ended up working a lot harder than him, laying their bills. That they did not have boys may have also been problematic. Grandsons would be more valued unfortunately.

What rich family WOULDN'T require a new spouse to sign a pre-nup? They usually have less stringent restrictions the longer the marriage is in play - signaling that the union is strong.

Nicole Perltz' family had her new husband Brooklyn Beckham sign a massive pre-nup even though they both come from wealth because she is in line to inherit billions and Brooklyn has no prospects.

It just makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep coming back to this quote in the article:

As a result, the Always Be My Maybe star shared she became "more motivated to make my own money because I signed a document specifically outlining how much I couldn't depend on my husband,"

This is sad to me. I think especially after she became successful, the feeling that she believed in her husband but he didn’t believe in her would be increasingly hurtful. She tries to rationalize it so many ways and that’s what it comes down to: The person she married didn’t believe in her. I think there’s even part of Baby Covra where she says she used her TV money to pay off some of his debts? Ouch. That has to sting. I’m not surprised they’re getting divorced.

The "how much I couldn't depend on my husband" is very telling. Clearly there were issues before the wedding.

I think there may have been shame on her behalf, and possibly her family or origin, that his family made her sign a prenup, signalling that his family was better than hers. Better financially, in stature. She may have been perceived as a loser, a gold digger, “he or they didn’t believe in her”. She couldn’t depend on him to support her. They or he didnt seem to see that the marriage was long term. Money is an awkward thing in Asian cultures. A lot of pride around money. I am Asian, and I completely understand where she was coming from, the need to show him and his family that she was not a gold digger or loser. The anger, but also satisfaction in showing them they were wrong, when she ended up working a lot harder than him, laying their bills. That they did not have boys may have also been problematic. Grandsons would be more valued unfortunately.

Your comment reminded me of her 'jungle' versus 'fancy' Asian jokes.

[Anonymous]

Even if you understand why your in-laws insist on a pre-nup, it still is insulting if you see other signs that they think you are below them. Success is the best revenge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep coming back to this quote in the article:

As a result, the Always Be My Maybe star shared she became "more motivated to make my own money because I signed a document specifically outlining how much I couldn't depend on my husband,"

This is sad to me. I think especially after she became successful, the feeling that she believed in her husband but he didn’t believe in her would be increasingly hurtful. She tries to rationalize it so many ways and that’s what it comes down to: The person she married didn’t believe in her. I think there’s even part of Baby Covra where she says she used her TV money to pay off some of his debts? Ouch. That has to sting. I’m not surprised they’re getting divorced.

The "how much I couldn't depend on my husband" is very telling. Clearly there were issues before the wedding.

I think there may have been shame on her behalf, and possibly her family or origin, that his family made her sign a prenup, signalling that his family was better than hers. Better financially, in stature. She may have been perceived as a loser, a gold digger, “he or they didn’t believe in her”. She couldn’t depend on him to support her. They or he didnt seem to see that the marriage was long term. Money is an awkward thing in Asian cultures. A lot of pride around money. I am Asian, and I completely understand where she was coming from, the need to show him and his family that she was not a gold digger or loser. The anger, but also satisfaction in showing them they were wrong, when she ended up working a lot harder than him, laying their bills. That they did not have boys may have also been problematic. Grandsons would be more valued unfortunately.

Your comment reminded me of her 'jungle' versus 'fancy' Asian jokes.

Didn’t she pay off his student loans? They either aren’t that rich or extremely tight.

[Anonymous]

Her new special is really cringe (and I have a dark/gallows sense of humor, and loved her first two). Not surprised.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep coming back to this quote in the article:

As a result, the Always Be My Maybe star shared she became "more motivated to make my own money because I signed a document specifically outlining how much I couldn't depend on my husband,"

This is sad to me. I think especially after she became successful, the feeling that she believed in her husband but he didn’t believe in her would be increasingly hurtful. She tries to rationalize it so many ways and that’s what it comes down to: The person she married didn’t believe in her. I think there’s even part of Baby Covra where she says she used her TV money to pay off some of his debts? Ouch. That has to sting. I’m not surprised they’re getting divorced.

The "how much I couldn't depend on my husband" is very telling. Clearly there were issues before the wedding.

I think there may have been shame on her behalf, and possibly her family or origin, that his family made her sign a prenup, signalling that his family was better than hers. Better financially, in stature. She may have been perceived as a loser, a gold digger, “he or they didn’t believe in her”. She couldn’t depend on him to support her. They or he didnt seem to see that the marriage was long term. Money is an awkward thing in Asian cultures. A lot of pride around money. I am Asian, and I completely understand where she was coming from, the need to show him and his family that she was not a gold digger or loser. The anger, but also satisfaction in showing them they were wrong, when she ended up working a lot harder than him, laying their bills. That they did not have boys may have also been problematic. Grandsons would be more valued unfortunately.

Your comment reminded me of her 'jungle' versus 'fancy' Asian jokes.

Didn’t she pay off his student loans? They either aren’t that rich or extremely tight.

Both? Sounds like his parents didn't pay off that much-praised Harvard MBA. Neither did his job. His wife did.

So how rich could they possibly be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep coming back to this quote in the article:

As a result, the Always Be My Maybe star shared she became "more motivated to make my own money because I signed a document specifically outlining how much I couldn't depend on my husband,"

This is sad to me. I think especially after she became successful, the feeling that she believed in her husband but he didn’t believe in her would be increasingly hurtful. She tries to rationalize it so many ways and that’s what it comes down to: The person she married didn’t believe in her. I think there’s even part of Baby Covra where she says she used her TV money to pay off some of his debts? Ouch. That has to sting. I’m not surprised they’re getting divorced.

The "how much I couldn't depend on my husband" is very telling. Clearly there were issues before the wedding.

I think there may have been shame on her behalf, and possibly her family or origin, that his family made her sign a prenup, signalling that his family was better than hers. Better financially, in stature. She may have been perceived as a loser, a gold digger, “he or they didn’t believe in her”. She couldn’t depend on him to support her. They or he didnt seem to see that the marriage was long term. Money is an awkward thing in Asian cultures. A lot of pride around money. I am Asian, and I completely understand where she was coming from, the need to show him and his family that she was not a gold digger or loser. The anger, but also satisfaction in showing them they were wrong, when she ended up working a lot harder than him, laying their bills. That they did not have boys may have also been problematic. Grandsons would be more valued unfortunately.

Your comment reminded me of her 'jungle' versus 'fancy' Asian jokes.

Didn’t she pay off his student loans? They either aren’t that rich or extremely tight.

Both? Sounds like his parents didn't pay off that much-praised Harvard MBA. Neither did his job. His wife did.

So how rich could they possibly be?

Even more insulting. PDon’t blame her for getting the last laugh(s) from it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her last standup was not funny. I’m sad for them.

Are you kidding? Its hilarious.

Watching this as a childfree person, I wonder why Ali would have kids and then complain about them? Like it's expected your life is going to change. I get the impression that she wanted kids more than the husband because she said in her previous special she didn't want to be lonely in her old age.

I'm a mom (very happily) and I have found a lot of her standup really cathartic because no matter how much you love your kids, sometimes you are exhausted and annoyed and it feels so good to hear a working mom who clearly loves her kids express it so bluntly and crassly. It's a relief. I'd rather she say it than me, but there is not a mom on the planet who hasn't had a least a moment of wishing her kids would just go away. You feel guilty but there it is.

But her last special felt different to me because it wasn't just talking about how hard it is at times. It really felt like her jokes were about a simmering dissatisfaction with her married life with kids. And more than that, she's talking about jealousy and longing for a different life where she has her success and fame but doesn't have kids and a husband. That's different than her previous jokes. It's more specific to her. The older I get, the more grateful I am for my husband and children. But I'm not a famous person making millions off stand up. She must work with lots of other comedians and actors who just have a ton more freedom than she does and it's got to be such a mismatch at times. Like "yeah, I'd love to stay out until 6am drinking and joking with you guys, but I have get up at 5:30 with my toddler." I can see how that's hard but also can't really relate at all because my life isn't like that.

It happens a lot with famous comedians, they outgrow their audience and then what? They all get less insightfully funny as they get more successful because while they still have things to joke about, the are often just a lot less relatable than the material that made them famous in the first place. Audiences really love that moment of recognition in comedy, like "yes, that is me oh my god you nailed it." It's hard for millionaires to do that for a particularly broad group of people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her last standup was not funny. I’m sad for them.

Are you kidding? Its hilarious.

Watching this as a childfree person, I wonder why Ali would have kids and then complain about them? Like it's expected your life is going to change. I get the impression that she wanted kids more than the husband because she said in her previous special she didn't want to be lonely in her old age.

I'm a mom (very happily) and I have found a lot of her standup really cathartic because no matter how much you love your kids, sometimes you are exhausted and annoyed and it feels so good to hear a working mom who clearly loves her kids express it so bluntly and crassly. It's a relief. I'd rather she say it than me, but there is not a mom on the planet who hasn't had a least a moment of wishing her kids would just go away. You feel guilty but there it is.

But her last special felt different to me because it wasn't just talking about how hard it is at times. It really felt like her jokes were about a simmering dissatisfaction with her married life with kids. And more than that, she's talking about jealousy and longing for a different life where she has her success and fame but doesn't have kids and a husband. That's different than her previous jokes. It's more specific to her. The older I get, the more grateful I am for my husband and children. But I'm not a famous person making millions off stand up. She must work with lots of other comedians and actors who just have a ton more freedom than she does and it's got to be such a mismatch at times. Like "yeah, I'd love to stay out until 6am drinking and joking with you guys, but I have get up at 5:30 with my toddler." I can see how that's hard but also can't really relate at all because my life isn't like that.

It happens a lot with famous comedians, they outgrow their audience and then what? They all get less insightfully funny as they get more successful because while they still have things to joke about, the are often just a lot less relatable than the material that made them famous in the first place. Audiences really love that moment of recognition in comedy, like "yes, that is me oh my god you nailed it." It's hard for millionaires to do that for a particularly broad group of people.

I don't see how. Her other specials were complaining about how no one told her how different post-partum care and the 4th trimester really was. You think she wouldn't go back in time to not have hernias or tears or whatever if she could?

Same deal. Now she's complaining about having to cart around snacks and diaper bags. I'd actually say physical ailments due to childbirth are worse than the minor inconvenience of always having to pre-plan for kid outings anyway.

[Anonymous]

RE your second point about millionaire comedians being unrelatable - I actually think her 3rd comedy special was still very relatable. She wasn't doing stand-up about how difficult it was to hire 3 nannies and submit her 4/6 year-old kids to private school admissions while hiring a specialist to write their applications.

She talked about snacks and planning and trying to go out. Highly relatable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I married into a wealthy family, and they would never have asked me to sign a prenup.
It’s an awful way to start a life together.

Eh, I don’t know. It sounds like his money at time of marriage was really family money.

This is what is confusing to me. Fine a prenup if it's family money not money he earned. But by saying she can't depend on him is she saying the prenup also included his earned money? Did it apply the other way where he doesn't get her money?

They are in California. Family money is easy to reach in divorce without a pre nup in California.

I like Ali Wong but I felt like some of her comments about the pre nup came across as at best ignorant, at worst a little entitled. It is very hard to protect family money in CA absent a pre nup. It’s not like the east coast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I married into a wealthy family, and they would never have asked me to sign a prenup.
It’s an awful way to start a life together.

Eh, I don’t know. It sounds like his money at time of marriage was really family money.

This is what is confusing to me. Fine a prenup if it's family money not money he earned. But by saying she can't depend on him is she saying the prenup also included his earned money? Did it apply the other way where he doesn't get her money?

They are in California. Family money is easy to reach in divorce without a pre nup in California.

I like Ali Wong but I felt like some of her comments about the pre nup came across as at best ignorant, at worst a little entitled. It is very hard to protect family money in CA absent a pre nup. It’s not like the east coast.

We don’t know the terms of the prenup. I am still wondering how much money there was to protect if she had to pay off his student loans….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep coming back to this quote in the article:

As a result, the Always Be My Maybe star shared she became "more motivated to make my own money because I signed a document specifically outlining how much I couldn't depend on my husband,"

This is sad to me. I think especially after she became successful, the feeling that she believed in her husband but he didn’t believe in her would be increasingly hurtful. She tries to rationalize it so many ways and that’s what it comes down to: The person she married didn’t believe in her. I think there’s even part of Baby Covra where she says she used her TV money to pay off some of his debts? Ouch. That has to sting. I’m not surprised they’re getting divorced.

The "how much I couldn't depend on my husband" is very telling. Clearly there were issues before the wedding.

I think there may have been shame on her behalf, and possibly her family or origin, that his family made her sign a prenup, signalling that his family was better than hers. Better financially, in stature. She may have been perceived as a loser, a gold digger, “he or they didn’t believe in her”. She couldn’t depend on him to support her. They or he didnt seem to see that the marriage was long term. Money is an awkward thing in Asian cultures. A lot of pride around money. I am Asian, and I completely understand where she was coming from, the need to show him and his family that she was not a gold digger or loser. The anger, but also satisfaction in showing them they were wrong, when she ended up working a lot harder than him, laying their bills. That they did not have boys may have also been problematic. Grandsons would be more valued unfortunately.

Your beliefs about gender are very old fashioned, in the eyes of young Asian couples--even overseas.

I think it is ironic that he asked her to sign a pre-nup when he hid his own 70K debt!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I married into a wealthy family, and they would never have asked me to sign a prenup.
It’s an awful way to start a life together.

Eh, I don’t know. It sounds like his money at time of marriage was really family money.

This is what is confusing to me. Fine a prenup if it's family money not money he earned. But by saying she can't depend on him is she saying the prenup also included his earned money? Did it apply the other way where he doesn't get her money?

They are in California. Family money is easy to reach in divorce without a pre nup in California.

I like Ali Wong but I felt like some of her comments about the pre nup came across as at best ignorant, at worst a little entitled. It is very hard to protect family money in CA absent a pre nup. It’s not like the east coast.

We don’t know the terms of the prenup. I am still wondering how much money there was to protect if she had to pay off his student loans….

We don’t know, but it’s not unusual in CA to need a pre nup to protect family money since it’s so easy to get to it without a pre nup in a divorce. It’s also not unusual for wealthy families to have younger members take out student loans to give them some skin in the game and to avoid touching the principal. My guess is there is a fair amount of family money and some strategic use of low-rate loans.