For all the parents complaining that the admissions process is rigged against their kids--

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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

OMG +1

This is almost the exact dinner table conversation we had with our Asian senior. There is nothing we can do to eliminate the systemic racism currently practiced against Asian students like him in the current admission cycle. He will continue to encounter discrimination and racism while he is at school; this is not fair but that's not an excuse to not try his best. But once he is out in the real world, the world will be fair again and he will be able to succeed unhindered. Dwelling on victim status or making excuses for himself because there is active discrimination against him is counter productive and helps no one. The best revenge is success.

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While this admissions process has been hard for our white UMC DD, it has been even harder on her Asian friend.

Awwwwww.

It's hard on every kid.

It's just a little harder on the kids with the wrong skin color.

Awwwwww. Hope they survive it the poor things.

Think about your reaction to racism here... with an "awwwwww". That's the kind of person you are. It makes me sad that there are people like you in the world. Again, the best revenge is success. Enjoy your racism-fueled mediocrity.

All the kids, asian and of every other race that did or did not get into certain schools are carrying on and your poor little darling will have to do the same.

We could all cry and whine that are kids did not get into Harvard or wherever or we can just go on and succeed elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is white and has parents who graduated college, they are already unfathomably privileged. Of course, they don't realize that, because they have been privileged by it their entire lives.

The United States economic system is performance based. It provides opportunity to all members. Some will have to work harder than others and for many it is their struggles that make them stronger than their peers. I put myself though college due to divorced parents and an alcoholic father. I am now a 1%-er. My journey to this point was a lot harder than many of my peers but nothing in this life says things must be handed to you - THAT is entitlement, not being a hard working teen of now-wealthy parents. If you want a society where outcomes are not driven by effort, stamina and drive; where challenges are all expected to be equalized then there are plenty of socialist democracies that you can join (and I hope you do).

A hard-working teen is working 30 hours a week to put food on the table AND getting perfect grades AND getting excellent SATs. Those kids exist and thats what your kids is competing against in 2022.

This is contrary to fact. It's been demonstrated that grades and test scores are lower for some student demographics - they are not the same level. The kids are simply not on the same academic performance level.

Says you. Some aggrieved anonymous poster on dcum.

A disadvantaged kid that still managed to succeed is superior to one that is prepped and polished and pampered.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

OMG +1

This is almost the exact dinner table conversation we had with our Asian senior. There is nothing we can do to eliminate the systemic racism currently practiced against Asian students like him in the current admission cycle. He will continue to encounter discrimination and racism while he is at school; this is not fair but that's not an excuse to not try his best. But once he is out in the real world, the world will be fair again and he will be able to succeed unhindered. Dwelling on victim status or making excuses for himself because there is active discrimination against him is counter productive and helps no one. The best revenge is success.

I hope your Asian senior reaches out to blacks at his/her college an learn about the discrimination they face daily - overtly and covertly. Welcome to the real world.

Easy to cry "discrimination" when it allegedly pertains to getting into Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:Paraphrased but accurate and revealing statements made in this thread:

- My kid's "A"s are valid but other kids are not, grade inflation covid etc.

- My kid deserves to be admitted to colleges X more than the kids who were admitted

- Colleges don't know who they want, they are also incapable of telling one kid from the next

- There is a substantive difference in quality between kids who are admitted and kids who are not

Guys, we all love our kids, and any real or perceived slight against them hurts, and we want them to have everything they want... but these positions above are unfair.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is white and has parents who graduated college, they are already unfathomably privileged. Of course, they don't realize that, because they have been privileged by it their entire lives.

The United States economic system is performance based. It provides opportunity to all members. Some will have to work harder than others and for many it is their struggles that make them stronger than their peers. I put myself though college due to divorced parents and an alcoholic father. I am now a 1%-er. My journey to this point was a lot harder than many of my peers but nothing in this life says things must be handed to you - THAT is entitlement, not being a hard working teen of now-wealthy parents. If you want a society where outcomes are not driven by effort, stamina and drive; where challenges are all expected to be equalized then there are plenty of socialist democracies that you can join (and I hope you do).

A hard-working teen is working 30 hours a week to put food on the table AND getting perfect grades AND getting excellent SATs. Those kids exist and thats what your kids is competing against in 2022.

This is contrary to fact. It's been demonstrated that grades and test scores are lower for some student demographics - they are not the same level. The kids are simply not on the same academic performance level.

Says you. Some aggrieved anonymous poster on dcum.

A disadvantaged kid that still managed to succeed is superior to one that is prepped and polished and pampered.

Which kid should gain admittance is subjective. It as ridiculous for one to claim superiority as the other.

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The answer is clear - these super star students should also spend time excelling at a sport, music or theater. Why not play football? Or basketball? Or lax? And be all-met or all state or something.

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This country is so racist I give it only a matter of years until the most desired schools change - in a big way......

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My kids are at an IB school and a lot of non-URM kids are looking more at international schools where the admission criteria is more transparent. Those with younger kids are hoping the pendulum will swing back from this over-correction.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kid is white and has parents who graduated college, they are already unfathomably privileged. Of course, they don't realize that, because they have been privileged by it their entire lives.

The United States economic system is performance based. It provides opportunity to all members. Some will have to work harder than others and for many it is their struggles that make them stronger than their peers. I put myself though college due to divorced parents and an alcoholic father. I am now a 1%-er. My journey to this point was a lot harder than many of my peers but nothing in this life says things must be handed to you - THAT is entitlement, not being a hard working teen of now-wealthy parents. If you want a society where outcomes are not driven by effort, stamina and drive; where challenges are all expected to be equalized then there are plenty of socialist democracies that you can join (and I hope you do).

A hard-working teen is working 30 hours a week to put food on the table AND getting perfect grades AND getting excellent SATs. Those kids exist and thats what your kids is competing against in 2022.

This is contrary to fact. It's been demonstrated that grades and test scores are lower for some student demographics - they are not the same level. The kids are simply not on the same academic performance level.

Says you. Some aggrieved anonymous poster on dcum.

A disadvantaged kid that still managed to succeed is superior to one that is prepped and polished and pampered.

No, says the admissions data revealed by Harvard and UNC.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are at an IB school and a lot of non-URM kids are looking more at international schools where the admission criteria is more transparent. Those with younger kids are hoping the pendulum will swing back from this over-correction.

Which schools fit this profile?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

Holy entitled brat! Maybe they just picked up on these kids messed up superiority complexes and said no thanks.

That you get "entitled brat" out of the perspective that performance should be rewarded without regard to skin color, religion or socioeconomic status is exactly why we have a problem.

Performance is subjective. Your superstar is great but so are others. Your think the "performance" of your genius is superior and others have a different opinion.

Different poster but the fact is that my kids (white) need to score higher by over 100 points (closer to 200) on SAT and have a higher gpa to get into the same schools as their friends who are black. It’s simply the truth. May be good or bad for out society overall, but it’s true and my kids know it (shouldn’t they?!?). So they need to work harder, perform better and have a more appealing set of extracurricular activities. Other groups have had to do that at other times for admissions and now it is the turn for my kids. It’s important that they know. Our son’s closest friend at a top private will be a full pay black boy. So when my kid asks if he can spend the summer in the same way that his friend does, my answer is no. Because you need to have a higher standard for the same result. And, sadly, your black friend will likely face discrimination later in life and he will need to be a higher standard. I don’t think it’s a problem to give kids, really young adults, the information they need to navigate this.

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Anonymous wrote:Different poster but the fact is that my kids (white) need to score higher by over 100 points (closer to 200) on SAT and have a higher gpa to get into the same schools as their friends who are black. It’s simply the truth.

It's also "simply the truth" that you think that 100 points matters and the colleges do not. And they get to choose.

Anonymous wrote:So they need to work harder, perform better and have a more appealing set of extracurricular activities. Other groups have had to do that at other times for admissions and now it is the turn for my kids. It’s important that they know. Our son’s closest friend at a top private will be a full pay black boy.

I probably should not even bother with a troll who uses the phrase "black boy", but I can't help myself. I recommend you ask your son's bestie what he thinks of that phrase.

Anonymous wrote:So when my kid asks if he can spend the summer in the same way that his friend does, my answer is no. Because you need to have a higher standard for the same result. And, sadly, your black friend will likely face discrimination later in life and he will need to be a higher standard. I don’t think it’s a problem to give kids, really young adults, the information they need to navigate this.

And this is where you show you are the problem - that it is YOU that cares if the kid goes to Dartmouth and not Skidmore, Cornell and not Michigan. Not your kid. YOU.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

Holy entitled brat! Maybe they just picked up on these kids messed up superiority complexes and said no thanks.

That you get "entitled brat" out of the perspective that performance should be rewarded without regard to skin color, religion or socioeconomic status is exactly why we have a problem.

Performance is subjective. Your superstar is great but so are others. Your think the "performance" of your genius is superior and others have a different opinion.

Different poster but the fact is that my kids (white) need to score higher by over 100 points (closer to 200) on SAT and have a higher gpa to get into the same schools as their friends who are black. It’s simply the truth. May be good or bad for out society overall, but it’s true and my kids know it (shouldn’t they?!?). So they need to work harder, perform better and have a more appealing set of extracurricular activities. Other groups have had to do that at other times for admissions and now it is the turn for my kids. It’s important that they know. Our son’s closest friend at a top private will be a full pay black boy. So when my kid asks if he can spend the summer in the same way that his friend does, my answer is no. Because you need to have a higher standard for the same result. And, sadly, your black friend will likely face discrimination later in life and he will need to be a higher standard. I don’t think it’s a problem to give kids, really young adults, the information they need to navigate this.

Oh ease tell us about the "black boy" summer. Is he sitting around eating bon bons and you kid is laying brick?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

OMG +1

This is almost the exact dinner table conversation we had with our Asian senior. There is nothing we can do to eliminate the systemic racism currently practiced against Asian students like him in the current admission cycle. He will continue to encounter discrimination and racism while he is at school; this is not fair but that's not an excuse to not try his best. But once he is out in the real world, the world will be fair again and he will be able to succeed unhindered. Dwelling on victim status or making excuses for himself because there is active discrimination against him is counter productive and helps no one. The best revenge is success.

I hope your Asian senior reaches out to blacks at his/her college an learn about the discrimination they face daily - overtly and covertly. Welcome to the real world.

Easy to cry "discrimination" when it allegedly pertains to getting into Harvard.

You don’t correct racism with another racism. And why are you obsessed with Harvard? I don’t see pp claiming anything Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

OMG +1

This is almost the exact dinner table conversation we had with our Asian senior. There is nothing we can do to eliminate the systemic racism currently practiced against Asian students like him in the current admission cycle. He will continue to encounter discrimination and racism while he is at school; this is not fair but that's not an excuse to not try his best. But once he is out in the real world, the world will be fair again and he will be able to succeed unhindered. Dwelling on victim status or making excuses for himself because there is active discrimination against him is counter productive and helps no one. The best revenge is success.

I hope your Asian senior reaches out to blacks at his/her college an learn about the discrimination they face daily - overtly and covertly. Welcome to the real world.

Easy to cry "discrimination" when it allegedly pertains to getting into Harvard.

You don’t correct racism with another racism. And why are you obsessed with Harvard? I don’t see pp claiming anything Harvard.

Harvard is just a stand-in for any elite school that is tough to access. This has been explained and is easy to grasp. Why can't you understand this?