So how exactly is DC going to implement school vaccine mandate next year?

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of people aren’t opposed to vaccinating their kids, they just don’t think it’s important so they don’t bother. They’ll take their kids to the required annual checkups, the doctor will say “…and they need their COVID shot…” and the kids will get at least the first shot.

I have no basis for believing this, but it sounds good, doesn’t it?

I don’t think this is the case for a majority of unvaccinated under the age of 11. I think families are very wary about the new vaccine. I also don’t think DCPS will do anything about it. And quite frankly as a resident I would be up in arms if half the kids were denied in person schooling last year because of this vaccine mandate.

Frankly, as a resident and parent, I would be up in arms if ignorant AF people like PP endanger kids and disrupt education for students by evading or promoting evasion of vaccine mandates.

I'd be with you if the vaccines actually stopped transmission. They don't. They only reduce it for a short period of time, and we are never going to boost kids every six months. With that goes the ethical justification for vaccine mandates. At this point vaccines are only about reducing your personal risk of a severe outcome. And we need to stop disrupting education over asymptomatic and mild cases.

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Vaccines DO decrease risk of transmission. Just not down to zero. Please, stick with facts.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not concerned because our charter is transparent and shares stats with teachers and families. We are already at high 70% and that’s with having ECE kids not eligible for vaccinations yet. Majority of remaining 23% are the ECE kids.

Teachers and families have a right to know general percentages and should demand so.

NP and I mean this as an honest question- why do you think teachers and families deserve to know vaccination percentages at their school? I don’t think of that as a right.

Of course it’s not a civil right but yes it’s important to know the vaccination rates in schools, just as it’s transparent the vaccination rates and breakdown in DC during a pandemic. Vaccination percentages and new cases is what you need to know in your community to understand risk, transmission of new variants, etc.,

If you don’t think so then you obviously aren’t following science and don’t know much about public health and how it affects your community.

I’m fully vaccinated and boosted so actually no I don’t care about case numbers. Most are completely benign and I don’t think it’s an important public health measure for policy choices at this point.

I also don’t need vaccination rates among kids at my school.

Proving you don’t know about public health or care about your community.

Do people like this really think there are people among us who hate our communities? I don’t get it. Why is it so hard to understand that people do different things with different information?

Ok but there is no information if your school isn’t telling you what their vaccination rate is.

Check the vaccination rates in the city or in your ward. That should be enough to inform whatever decisions you make. Individual school level vaccination rates are not necessary.

The community vaccination rate which is near 70% does not correlate to the school vaccination rate. Some schools with majority higher socioeconomic families are in the 70’s while other schools, more likely lower SES are way lower than 29%, and that is why you get a total of 29% in the city.

OP here. I’m totally clear on why 29% is what we have now, I’m a DC resident and now the demographics and views of residents and the possible reasons for them. I was specifically interested to hear everyone opinion on what exactly happens when DC leadership realized at the end of august only 50% (and I personally think it might be a reach for me to guess suck high number) of kids 5-11 are fully vaccinated.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of people aren’t opposed to vaccinating their kids, they just don’t think it’s important so they don’t bother. They’ll take their kids to the required annual checkups, the doctor will say “…and they need their COVID shot…” and the kids will get at least the first shot.

I have no basis for believing this, but it sounds good, doesn’t it?

I don’t think this is the case for a majority of unvaccinated under the age of 11. I think families are very wary about the new vaccine. I also don’t think DCPS will do anything about it. And quite frankly as a resident I would be up in arms if half the kids were denied in person schooling last year because of this vaccine mandate.

Frankly, as a resident and parent, I would be up in arms if ignorant AF people like PP endanger kids and disrupt education for students by evading or promoting evasion of vaccine mandates.

Okay. You are in the minority. The optics of a vaccine mandate won’t fly. And they aren’t endangering your kids if they are vaccinated.

I think you’re over-estimating the number of people against vaccine mandates.

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Anonymous wrote:The vaccine is still under emergency approval for kids 5-11. Are you all assuming that changes before September? It could honestly go either way given the reluctance of some panel members to approve even the EUA. The message upon approval was “we want to give parents the option of vaccinating kids in this age group.” DC really jumped the gun in trying to mandate it. Unless/until there is final approval AND the rhetoric changes to “you should vaccinate your child”, there’s no way they will enforce this mandate.

And really, there’s every likelihood that when the grant final approval snd start recommending it, we will start treating it like the flu shot. Which is optional and many parents don’t bother because it requires that you affirmatively seek it out (unless your kid just happens to have an annual appointment along the time it is released). Covid also has strong seasonality, like the flu.

This is an important point. Mandates assume that the vaccine will be fully approved.

Of course it’s going to be fully approved. It already is in adults.

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I think we learned during this pandemic how many parents truly use school for childcare. If DCPS digs their heels in next school year and says no, your child may not enter this building until they have been vaccinated against Covid you’d be amazed how many families would be flying into CVS.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccines DO decrease risk of transmission. Just not down to zero. Please, stick with facts.

18:34 here. Can you read? I literally said that the vaccines reduce transmission. But it is a fact that this effect wanes pretty quickly. Please, stick with the facts. And if the vaccines only *slightly* reduce transmission after a few months, the ethical justification for mandates becomes weak, and mandates become unwise because their benefit to society isn't worth the divisions they cause.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccines DO decrease risk of transmission. Just not down to zero. Please, stick with facts.

18:34 here. Can you read? I literally said that the vaccines reduce transmission. But it is a fact that this effect wanes pretty quickly. Please, stick with the facts. And if the vaccines only *slightly* reduce transmission after a few months, the ethical justification for mandates becomes weak, and mandates become unwise because their benefit to society isn't worth the divisions they cause.

And to add, for the record, my kids are fully vaccinated. And I actually kind of wish there will be a mandate because I think that might be the only way to get the mask mandate for schools ended. I still question the ethics of vaccine mandates, especially for kids, if the decrease in transmission is less than 50%, as it appears to be with Omicron, and if that effect is so short-lived.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccines DO decrease risk of transmission. Just not down to zero. Please, stick with facts.

18:34 here. Can you read? I literally said that the vaccines reduce transmission. But it is a fact that this effect wanes pretty quickly. Please, stick with the facts. And if the vaccines only *slightly* reduce transmission after a few months, the ethical justification for mandates becomes weak, and mandates become unwise because their benefit to society isn't worth the divisions they cause.

And to add, for the record, my kids are fully vaccinated. And I actually kind of wish there will be a mandate because I think that might be the only way to get the mask mandate for schools ended. I still question the ethics of vaccine mandates, especially for kids, if the decrease in transmission is less than 50%, as it appears to be with Omicron, and if that effect is so short-lived.

I think the saddest part is, parents stopped trusting DC government so much throughout the pandemic, they would never believe any promises to lift mask mandates in exchange to keeping vaccine mandate (not that DC ever bothered to promise something, but hypothetically).

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of people aren’t opposed to vaccinating their kids, they just don’t think it’s important so they don’t bother. They’ll take their kids to the required annual checkups, the doctor will say “…and they need their COVID shot…” and the kids will get at least the first shot.

I have no basis for believing this, but it sounds good, doesn’t it?

I don’t think this is the case for a majority of unvaccinated under the age of 11. I think families are very wary about the new vaccine. I also don’t think DCPS will do anything about it. And quite frankly as a resident I would be up in arms if half the kids were denied in person schooling last year because of this vaccine mandate.

Frankly, as a resident and parent, I would be up in arms if ignorant AF people like PP endanger kids and disrupt education for students by evading or promoting evasion of vaccine mandates.

Okay. You are in the minority. The optics of a vaccine mandate won’t fly. And they aren’t endangering your kids if they are vaccinated.

I think you’re over-estimating the number of people against vaccine mandates.

Among parents of DCPS students? I don’t think I am. Please remember the vast majority of MC and UMC parents in DC do not send their kids to DCPS schools. They use charters or private schools.

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Serious question. Why would you vaccinate your kid? It’s an experimental treatment that does not prevent transmission. Kids are more likely to die of the flu. I’m vaccinated (older & chubby here), before I get shouted down as an anti-vaxxer.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. Why would you vaccinate your kid? It’s an experimental treatment that does not prevent transmission. Kids are more likely to die of the flu. I’m vaccinated (older & chubby here), before I get shouted down as an anti-vaxxer.

Well I vaccinate my kids for the flu. The vaccine is protective against serious illness which is possible though rare in kids. The risks of the vaccine are still lower than risks of covid even though all risks are low. mRNA vaccines are actually pretty well studied with large sample sizes at this point.

Also, vaccines do reduce the rate of transmission even if they do not eliminate it.

It’s interesting. I get that there’s a worry about undiscovered long term risks of the vaccine, but I feel the same way about covid.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. Why would you vaccinate your kid? It’s an experimental treatment that does not prevent transmission. Kids are more likely to die of the flu. I’m vaccinated (older & chubby here), before I get shouted down as an anti-vaxxer.

My DH and I are very hesitant about getting our kid vaccinated. They are still under 5 so we don’t have to worry about pressure yet. I work at a high school with high (self-reported) vaccination and booster rates and omicron ripped through the school. All of the kids just sat at home for 10 days, maybe feeling a bit sick for one or two of them. Vaccines just don’t seem to prevent spreading the disease in the way I would want it to before giving my very young child a brand new shot.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. Why would you vaccinate your kid? It’s an experimental treatment that does not prevent transmission. Kids are more likely to die of the flu. I’m vaccinated (older & chubby here), before I get shouted down as an anti-vaxxer.

My DH and I are very hesitant about getting our kid vaccinated. They are still under 5 so we don’t have to worry about pressure yet. I work at a high school with high (self-reported) vaccination and booster rates and omicron ripped through the school. All of the kids just sat at home for 10 days, maybe feeling a bit sick for one or two of them. Vaccines just don’t seem to prevent spreading the disease in the way I would want it to before giving my very young child a brand new shot.

So the virus ripped through your highly vaccinated workplace and those infected had minimal symptoms? Sounds like a ringing endorsement for the vaccine working then. We were never told the vaccine would mean you can’t get Covid, but we we told it would minimize the effects on you and it sounds like it did just that.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. Why would you vaccinate your kid? It’s an experimental treatment that does not prevent transmission. Kids are more likely to die of the flu. I’m vaccinated (older & chubby here), before I get shouted down as an anti-vaxxer.

My DH and I are very hesitant about getting our kid vaccinated. They are still under 5 so we don’t have to worry about pressure yet. I work at a high school with high (self-reported) vaccination and booster rates and omicron ripped through the school. All of the kids just sat at home for 10 days, maybe feeling a bit sick for one or two of them. Vaccines just don’t seem to prevent spreading the disease in the way I would want it to before giving my very young child a brand new shot.

So the virus ripped through your highly vaccinated workplace and those infected had minimal symptoms? Sounds like a ringing endorsement for the vaccine working then. We were never told the vaccine would mean you can’t get Covid, but we we told it would minimize the effects on you and it sounds like it did just that.

“You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.”
- President Biden

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-21/ap-fact-check-biden-inflates-jobs-impact-from-his-policies