So how exactly is DC going to implement school vaccine mandate next year?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

They did have access issues earlier especially the smaller poorer countries. Europe is recommending the vaccine. This article is 8 months old so number kids vaccinated in rich 1st world countries likely higher.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/06/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

They did have access issues earlier especially the smaller poorer countries. Europe is recommending the vaccine. This article is 8 months old so number kids vaccinated in rich 1st world countries likely higher.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/06/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

The point is that the differences in the pediatric vaccine deliberations of the major European countries were never guided by supply shortages. Some countries, such as Sweden, are not recommending the vaccine for all 5-11 year olds, others are, but more importantly, nobody is even considering mandating it at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:We should tie it up masks. Fully vaccinated children do not need to mask. Everyone else has to. You must show proof of vaccination.

Nah you are crazy. No mask regardless of vaccination status. Your a* is protected if you are vaccinated so leave other kids alone. And wait till CDC publishes the data they have been withholding. You might be very surprised

Yes southern VA mom who rolled into this group.

NP who is a DC mom and agrees with PP. The CDC has lost all credibility at this point. I don’t care what they say about vaccinating my under 5 yo. I don’t trust them.

Guess you don’t trust all the pediatricians and the American Academy of Pediatrics then because they will also be recommending the vaccine for under 5 once it comes out. They already recommended it for 5 and up. For the under 5 group, nothing is going to be different except the dosage and how many shots needed.

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/149/1/e2021054332/183385/COVID-19-Vaccines-in-Children-and-Adolescents

NP here, and f..ing no, I don’t trust the American academy of pediatrics either. You mentioned their name as if there is some common knowledge that their director is for sure not as sold out to politics as CDC’s one. I trust all European organizations (the continent where covid was handled much better), and recommend that kids younger that 12 are left alone mask and vaccine-wise. The US is going nuts.

yes no one believes you are from DC. you are some loon/teen or troll who found this board. You went results shopping.

Not PP but another DC mom who agrees with this. The CDC and the AAP lost me when they suggested masking 2 year olds.

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NP and a different DC mom. Fully vaccinated, don’t trust the advice of the AAP or CDC any longer. And people on this board should stop accusing anyone who isn’t lock step in line with getting their small child a vaccine as soon as it’s available as a troll or anti-vaxxer. I agree that anxiety is running rampant in this region and people just don’t seem to be able to accept different opinions. Notice none of us are saying not to vaccinate your 4 year old when it’s available. Just stop telling me to vaccinate mine.

So who do you trust for medical advice? Serious question

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Anonymous wrote:We should tie it up masks. Fully vaccinated children do not need to mask. Everyone else has to. You must show proof of vaccination.

Nah you are crazy. No mask regardless of vaccination status. Your a* is protected if you are vaccinated so leave other kids alone. And wait till CDC publishes the data they have been withholding. You might be very surprised

Yes southern VA mom who rolled into this group.

NP who is a DC mom and agrees with PP. The CDC has lost all credibility at this point. I don’t care what they say about vaccinating my under 5 yo. I don’t trust them.

Guess you don’t trust all the pediatricians and the American Academy of Pediatrics then because they will also be recommending the vaccine for under 5 once it comes out. They already recommended it for 5 and up. For the under 5 group, nothing is going to be different except the dosage and how many shots needed.

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/149/1/e2021054332/183385/COVID-19-Vaccines-in-Children-and-Adolescents

NP here, and f..ing no, I don’t trust the American academy of pediatrics either. You mentioned their name as if there is some common knowledge that their director is for sure not as sold out to politics as CDC’s one. I trust all European organizations (the continent where covid was handled much better), and recommend that kids younger that 12 are left alone mask and vaccine-wise. The US is going nuts.

yes no one believes you are from DC. you are some loon/teen or troll who found this board. You went results shopping.

Not PP but another DC mom who agrees with this. The CDC and the AAP lost me when they suggested masking 2 year olds.

+1

NP and a different DC mom. Fully vaccinated, don’t trust the advice of the AAP or CDC any longer. And people on this board should stop accusing anyone who isn’t lock step in line with getting their small child a vaccine as soon as it’s available as a troll or anti-vaxxer. I agree that anxiety is running rampant in this region and people just don’t seem to be able to accept different opinions. Notice none of us are saying not to vaccinate your 4 year old when it’s available. Just stop telling me to vaccinate mine.

So who do you trust for medical advice? Serious question

Not the PP, but will answer as someone disgusted but how politics CDC and AAP are. I trust WHO more or less, here’s the current info on their website for masking:

Based on this and other factors such as childrens’ psychosocial needs and developmental milestones, WHO and UNICEF advise the following:

Children aged 5 years and under should not be required to wear masks. This is based on the safety and overall interest of the child and the capacity to appropriately use a mask with minimal assistance.

WHO and UNICEF advise that the decision to use masks for children aged 6-11 should be based on the following factors:

Whether there is widespread transmission in the area where the child resides
The ability of the child to safely and appropriately use a mask
Access to masks, as well as laundering and replacement of masks in certain settings (such as schools and childcare services)
Adequate adult supervision and instructions to the child on how to put on, take off and safely wear masks
Potential impact of wearing a mask on learning and psychosocial development, in consultation with teachers, parents/caregivers and/or medical providers
Specific settings and interactions the child has with other people who are at high risk of developing serious illness, such as the elderly and those with other underlying health conditions.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

They did have access issues earlier especially the smaller poorer countries. Europe is recommending the vaccine. This article is 8 months old so number kids vaccinated in rich 1st world countries likely higher.

Sad that the big countries in Europe from the graph have a significantly higher percentages if kids vaccinated than the US.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/06/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

They did have access issues earlier especially the smaller poorer countries. Europe is recommending the vaccine. This article is 8 months old so number kids vaccinated in rich 1st world countries likely higher.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/06/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

The point is that the differences in the pediatric vaccine deliberations of the major European countries were never guided by supply shortages. Some countries, such as Sweden, are not recommending the vaccine for all 5-11 year olds, others are, but more importantly, nobody is even considering mandating it at this point.

Yes they were guided by supply shortages earlier and then they recommended the vaccines to kids. Looks like people in Europe followed their leaders recommendations and huge numbers of kids getting the vaccine. Can’t say the same for US.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

They did have access issues earlier especially the smaller poorer countries. Europe is recommending the vaccine. This article is 8 months old so number kids vaccinated in rich 1st world countries likely higher.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/06/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

The point is that the differences in the pediatric vaccine deliberations of the major European countries were never guided by supply shortages. Some countries, such as Sweden, are not recommending the vaccine for all 5-11 year olds, others are, but more importantly, nobody is even considering mandating it at this point.

Yes they were guided by supply shortages earlier and then they recommended the vaccines to kids. Looks like people in Europe followed their leaders recommendations and huge numbers of kids getting the vaccine. Can’t say the same for US.

No, you are misinformed. I'm not sure how many foreign languages you read to follow the discussion in those countries as closely as I have. Not all European countries are recommending the vaccine for all children, and no, the hesitancy among their expert advisory panels, from the UK to Germany to Sweden (where thy explicitly do NOT recommend it absent significant risk factors) was NOT guided by shortages, but by nuanced risk-benefit calculations based on the available data.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

They did have access issues earlier especially the smaller poorer countries. Europe is recommending the vaccine. This article is 8 months old so number kids vaccinated in rich 1st world countries likely higher.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/06/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

The point is that the differences in the pediatric vaccine deliberations of the major European countries were never guided by supply shortages. Some countries, such as Sweden, are not recommending the vaccine for all 5-11 year olds, others are, but more importantly, nobody is even considering mandating it at this point.

Yes they were guided by supply shortages earlier and then they recommended the vaccines to kids. Looks like people in Europe followed their leaders recommendations and huge numbers of kids getting the vaccine. Can’t say the same for US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/world/europe/europe-covid-vaccinations.html

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

They did have access issues earlier especially the smaller poorer countries. Europe is recommending the vaccine. This article is 8 months old so number kids vaccinated in rich 1st world countries likely higher.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/06/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

The point is that the differences in the pediatric vaccine deliberations of the major European countries were never guided by supply shortages. Some countries, such as Sweden, are not recommending the vaccine for all 5-11 year olds, others are, but more importantly, nobody is even considering mandating it at this point.

Yes they were guided by supply shortages earlier and then they recommended the vaccines to kids. Looks like people in Europe followed their leaders recommendations and huge numbers of kids getting the vaccine. Can’t say the same for US.

By the time the vaccine was approved for the 5-11 year olds, there were no more vaccine supply shortages in Europe. Europe is also not recommending teens to get boosters.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

They did have access issues earlier especially the smaller poorer countries. Europe is recommending the vaccine. This article is 8 months old so number kids vaccinated in rich 1st world countries likely higher.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/06/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

The point is that the differences in the pediatric vaccine deliberations of the major European countries were never guided by supply shortages. Some countries, such as Sweden, are not recommending the vaccine for all 5-11 year olds, others are, but more importantly, nobody is even considering mandating it at this point.

Yes they were guided by supply shortages earlier and then they recommended the vaccines to kids. Looks like people in Europe followed their leaders recommendations and huge numbers of kids getting the vaccine. Can’t say the same for US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/world/europe/europe-covid-vaccinations.html

Please check the date on this article!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

They did have access issues earlier especially the smaller poorer countries. Europe is recommending the vaccine. This article is 8 months old so number kids vaccinated in rich 1st world countries likely higher.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/06/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

The point is that the differences in the pediatric vaccine deliberations of the major European countries were never guided by supply shortages. Some countries, such as Sweden, are not recommending the vaccine for all 5-11 year olds, others are, but more importantly, nobody is even considering mandating it at this point.

Yes they were guided by supply shortages earlier and then they recommended the vaccines to kids. Looks like people in Europe followed their leaders recommendations and huge numbers of kids getting the vaccine. Can’t say the same for US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/world/europe/europe-covid-vaccinations.html

Do you seriously think this article about supply shortages in Europe from early 2021, which doesn't even mention kids and was published long before the vaccines were even given EUA for children, supports your misinformed argument?

Also, this thread is about vaccine mandates. NO European country is mandating or otherwise coercing children to get vaccinated against Covid.

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Three European families I know all got Covid through their kids going to school unmasked and unvaxxed. The child brought it home and mom and dad who work from home and are vaccinated got sick.

One family kids got very sick, other two kids were fine but had to sit at home and play nursemaid to mom and dad.

Vaccinated so very very ill but not at death's door.

All of them used to tell me vaccines were unnecessary for kids until this.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can’t believe that people on here trust Europe more than our own medical community such as FDA, CDC, and leading medical organizations. Ours is the one everyone looks up to, are most rigorous, etc….

Many European countries don’t have enough vaccines for their adult population and why the have not recommended in kids people. Access is a problem but people don’t realize it here because anybody can get a vaccine.

What??? Sorry, as someone from Europe, I assure you that nobody there looks up to your public health officials. Also, European countries have plenty of vaccines for both adults and kids, and their recommendations for children have never had anything to do with supply shortages. They are simply more clear-eyed about the risks of the virus to kids.

- fully vaccinated DC mom of fully vaccinated kids

They did have access issues earlier especially the smaller poorer countries. Europe is recommending the vaccine. This article is 8 months old so number kids vaccinated in rich 1st world countries likely higher.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/06/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

The point is that the differences in the pediatric vaccine deliberations of the major European countries were never guided by supply shortages. Some countries, such as Sweden, are not recommending the vaccine for all 5-11 year olds, others are, but more importantly, nobody is even considering mandating it at this point.

Yes they were guided by supply shortages earlier and then they recommended the vaccines to kids. Looks like people in Europe followed their leaders recommendations and huge numbers of kids getting the vaccine. Can’t say the same for US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/world/europe/europe-covid-vaccinations.html

Do you seriously think this article about supply shortages in Europe from early 2021, which doesn't even mention kids and was published long before the vaccines were even given EUA for children, supports your misinformed argument?

Also, this thread is about vaccine mandates. NO European country is mandating or otherwise coercing children to get vaccinated against Covid.

Give it up lady. US is not mandating it either. But local school districts do have a right to decide vaccine requirements. Not happy, move out of DC then.

You obviously don’t get it in your little bubble. It’s not all about you.

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Anonymous wrote:Three European families I know all got Covid through their kids going to school unmasked and unvaxxed. The child brought it home and mom and dad who work from home and are vaccinated got sick.

One family kids got very sick, other two kids were fine but had to sit at home and play nursemaid to mom and dad.

Vaccinated so very very ill but not at death's door.

All of them used to tell me vaccines were unnecessary for kids until this.

Yes, and they tell you that because that is exactly the public health messaging in many European countries - the vaccine is available for parents who choose it, but for healthy kids it is not usually a matter of life or death whether you do or not. Which is true, and appears to have also been true for your three friends, who all survived likely without long-term sequelae, even if it was unpleasant.

For the record, my kids are vaccinated, but I don't support mandates for this age group, especially while the vaccine is still under EUA. If DCPS mandates it and then lifts the mask mandate, I will be happy about that outcome, but I would still think the vaccine mandate was an ethically questionable decision.