Affair recovery and staying together?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DH had a year long affair that ended when I found out 3 years ago. I’m just now actually getting to the question of what it means for our marriage. I’m leaning out. The cheating is one thing, the lies, manipulation and gaslighting are another. The gaslighting - on any old topic, not just the affair - is a real thing that has gone on since before the affair and certainly after. I feel like I’m seeing things that were always there for the first time, and they can’t be unseen.

Anyone else BTDT on this dynamic? Did you personally heal? Did you stay? Leave? We have elementary/middle school kids so of course they are a huge factor in my decision process.

It might be possible to heal following an affair, but the bolded is unlikely to change and, in my view, impossible to live with.

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It always shocks me how people are willing to stay in a marriage with someone who is unfaithful. The adults I know from divorced parents - all carry some trauma from the ef-ed up relationship of their parents. It impacts their ability to be in a healthy marriage.

If you aren't willing to protect yourself -- how can you continue to mess up our kids?

I know for some women they don't have jobs that allow them to have any independence. Also a bad message to your children -- but that's another thread topic!

I remember my husband saying that when his parents finally separated and divorced - after staying together "for the family" - it was such a relief.

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Anonymous wrote:I listened. Really listened. My husband eventually admitted to me that having affairs is rooted in childhood issues (mainly fear of abandonment - his mother left his father and him when he was only 3) and that knowing he can always attract someone else makes him feel secure. It's not ideal for me as his wife, but at least I understand. And having gone through some serious trauma myself as a child, I'm more inclined to be understanding about him doing what he needs to do in order to feel secure.

Interestingly the outcome of all this was that he started to trust me more - he was open with me about his fears, I didn't leave him or try to change him and I really tried to understand and accept him. And as he trusted me more he had less need to have affairs. I know he still has the occasional one night stand, but it is nothing like it used to be and we are overall doing pretty well in our marriage.

Wow. So you just look the other way now? I hope he is at least safe.

Yes I look the other way and yes he is safe. I have compassion for what he went through as a child. I come from a family of addicts and abusers and I guess I look at him sleeping with other women as an effective coping mechanism for a very powerful trauma he experienced. His mother just left him when he was only a little kid. I’m not saying my marriage is ideal, but it works for us.

You have no idea, and I've never met a man who prefers wearing condoms.

PP here. I suppose you're right that I don't know for sure, but he cares about his health and he actually doesn't mind wearing condoms. Anyway, I'm sure the OP wants her thread back. I just wanted to share my experience that we didn't let an affair end our marriage and that it's possible to stay married to a partner and accept that they cheat and that cheating isn't always (and I'd posit that it is rarely) about the person being cheated on.

NP. Very enlightened of you, seriously. It sounds like you've done a lot of work on yourself and I hope your partner appreciates the level of understanding and unconditional acceptance you offer.

If doesn’t sound enlightened, it sounds like PP has low self-esteem and has been groomed to be a people-pleaser, always forgiving others because she doesn’t believe that she can be the one to hold them accountable. She always has to work on herself and not the other way around, because otherwise the dynamic won’t work.

This isn’t a condemnation, I think a lot of us suffer from people-pleasing habits. But let’s not confuse dysfunction with health.

+1 It sounds like low self esteem and fear of being divorced. I don't think she is admirable. It is one thing to be forgiving when this happened and he stopped, but to keep allowing it and it never changing? No, she is letting him disrespect her. This is. If she stays, she should at least get her own boyfriend. This is one of the craziest things I have ever read on here.

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Anonymous wrote:I listened. Really listened. My husband eventually admitted to me that having affairs is rooted in childhood issues (mainly fear of abandonment - his mother left his father and him when he was only 3) and that knowing he can always attract someone else makes him feel secure. It's not ideal for me as his wife, but at least I understand. And having gone through some serious trauma myself as a child, I'm more inclined to be understanding about him doing what he needs to do in order to feel secure.

Interestingly the outcome of all this was that he started to trust me more - he was open with me about his fears, I didn't leave him or try to change him and I really tried to understand and accept him. And as he trusted me more he had less need to have affairs. I know he still has the occasional one night stand, but it is nothing like it used to be and we are overall doing pretty well in our marriage.

Wow. So you just look the other way now? I hope he is at least safe.

Yes I look the other way and yes he is safe. I have compassion for what he went through as a child. I come from a family of addicts and abusers and I guess I look at him sleeping with other women as an effective coping mechanism for a very powerful trauma he experienced. His mother just left him when he was only a little kid. I’m not saying my marriage is ideal, but it works for us.

You have no idea, and I've never met a man who prefers wearing condoms.

PP here. I suppose you're right that I don't know for sure, but he cares about his health and he actually doesn't mind wearing condoms. Anyway, I'm sure the OP wants her thread back. I just wanted to share my experience that we didn't let an affair end our marriage and that it's possible to stay married to a partner and accept that they cheat and that cheating isn't always (and I'd posit that it is rarely) about the person being cheated on.

NP. Very enlightened of you, seriously. It sounds like you've done a lot of work on yourself and I hope your partner appreciates the level of understanding and unconditional acceptance you offer.

If doesn’t sound enlightened, it sounds like PP has low self-esteem and has been groomed to be a people-pleaser, always forgiving others because she doesn’t believe that she can be the one to hold them accountable. She always has to work on herself and not the other way around, because otherwise the dynamic won’t work.

This isn’t a condemnation, I think a lot of us suffer from people-pleasing habits. But let’s not confuse dysfunction with health.

+1 It sounds like low self esteem and fear of being divorced. I don't think she is admirable. It is one thing to be forgiving when this happened and he stopped, but to keep allowing it and it never changing? No, she is letting him disrespect her. This is. If she stays, she should at least get her own boyfriend. This is one of the craziest things I have ever read on here.

You are so judgmental. I said it above - I have good self esteem, a nice career and do not fear divorce. My husband isn’t perfect but I love him and I accept
That he occasionally wants to sleep with other women in order to soothe a deep wound from childhood. It’s not that complicated. I listened to him, I heard him and I accept and love him. I don’t sleep with other men but my husband would not mind if I did if it was something that helped me cope with a fear I can by very honestly. Again: to each his other her own. And to the OP I am sorry for diverting your thread - I just wanted you to know it’s possible for a marriage to survive affairs, and that not everything is so black and white. Cheating is almost never about the person being cheated on.

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Anonymous wrote:I listened. Really listened. My husband eventually admitted to me that having affairs is rooted in childhood issues (mainly fear of abandonment - his mother left his father and him when he was only 3) and that knowing he can always attract someone else makes him feel secure. It's not ideal for me as his wife, but at least I understand. And having gone through some serious trauma myself as a child, I'm more inclined to be understanding about him doing what he needs to do in order to feel secure.

Interestingly the outcome of all this was that he started to trust me more - he was open with me about his fears, I didn't leave him or try to change him and I really tried to understand and accept him. And as he trusted me more he had less need to have affairs. I know he still has the occasional one night stand, but it is nothing like it used to be and we are overall doing pretty well in our marriage.

Wow. So you just look the other way now? I hope he is at least safe.

Yes I look the other way and yes he is safe. I have compassion for what he went through as a child. I come from a family of addicts and abusers and I guess I look at him sleeping with other women as an effective coping mechanism for a very powerful trauma he experienced. His mother just left him when he was only a little kid. I’m not saying my marriage is ideal, but it works for us.

You have no idea, and I've never met a man who prefers wearing condoms.

PP here. I suppose you're right that I don't know for sure, but he cares about his health and he actually doesn't mind wearing condoms. Anyway, I'm sure the OP wants her thread back. I just wanted to share my experience that we didn't let an affair end our marriage and that it's possible to stay married to a partner and accept that they cheat and that cheating isn't always (and I'd posit that it is rarely) about the person being cheated on.

NP. Very enlightened of you, seriously. It sounds like you've done a lot of work on yourself and I hope your partner appreciates the level of understanding and unconditional acceptance you offer.

If doesn’t sound enlightened, it sounds like PP has low self-esteem and has been groomed to be a people-pleaser, always forgiving others because she doesn’t believe that she can be the one to hold them accountable. She always has to work on herself and not the other way around, because otherwise the dynamic won’t work.

This isn’t a condemnation, I think a lot of us suffer from people-pleasing habits. But let’s not confuse dysfunction with health.

+1 It sounds like low self esteem and fear of being divorced. I don't think she is admirable. It is one thing to be forgiving when this happened and he stopped, but to keep allowing it and it never changing? No, she is letting him disrespect her. This is. If she stays, she should at least get her own boyfriend. This is one of the craziest things I have ever read on here.

You are so judgmental. I said it above - I have good self esteem, a nice career and do not fear divorce. My husband isn’t perfect but I love him and I accept
That he occasionally wants to sleep with other women in order to soothe a deep wound from childhood. It’s not that complicated. I listened to him, I heard him and I accept and love him. I don’t sleep with other men but my husband would not mind if I did if it was something that helped me cope with a fear I can by very honestly. Again: to each his other her own. And to the OP I am sorry for diverting your thread - I just wanted you to know it’s possible for a marriage to survive affairs, and that not everything is so black and white. Cheating is almost never about the person being cheated on.

Cheating -- in most scenarios -- is because of a bad relationship. And it usually IS a 2-way street. If you are an anomaly, okay--but I still think you have low self-esteem and a fear of not being married to put up with neverending cheating as an excuse from a childhood wound. That is not normal behavior. As a rationale, okay. But to you give permission for me to keep doing it without any consquences? That sounds very mentally unhealthy and NOT okay. Forgiving an affair is one thing...and I believe that is perfectly fine for a marriage to survive an affair (one...not several...and that means they STOP doing it). Accepting a neverending open marriage with cheating on his side only? Absolutely not in the same category at all.

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NP. You are not really "surviving" an affair, because use of that term implies that it is over and you and your spouse have dealt with it. In this case, your "DH" continues to sleep with other women with your approval, even though you clearly prefer that he would not. You are doing nothing butenabling his abusive behavior by accepting or even encouraging his justifications. Many people suffer trauma in childhood and find healthy coping mechanisms. Your husband makes it repeatedly clear that he prioritizes his own selfish desires and needs above yours. You accept it, for whatever reason. You are both desperately in need of therapy to break this co-dependence and, in his case, to learn actual mature coping mechanisms.

[Anonymous]

Your husband won't respect you if you don't respect yourself. Staying with a cheater makes it abundantly clear you don't respect yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your husband won't respect you if you don't respect yourself. Staying with a cheater makes it abundantly clear you don't respect yourself.

I’m the OP and I am beginning to see this. That’s why I’m asking the question here. But I think I already know the answer and just need the courage to pull the trigger.

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Interestingly the outcome of all this was that he started to trust me more - he was open with me about his fears, I didn't leave him or try to change him and I really tried to understand and accept him. And as he trusted me more he had less need to have affairs. I know he still has the occasional one night stand, but it is nothing like it used to be and we are overall doing pretty well in our marriage.

Wow. So you just look the other way now? I hope he is at least safe.

Yes I look the other way and yes he is safe. I have compassion for what he went through as a child. I come from a family of addicts and abusers and I guess I look at him sleeping with other women as an effective coping mechanism for a very powerful trauma he experienced. His mother just left him when he was only a little kid. I’m not saying my marriage is ideal, but it works for us.

You have no idea, and I've never met a man who prefers wearing condoms.

PP here. I suppose you're right that I don't know for sure, but he cares about his health and he actually doesn't mind wearing condoms. Anyway, I'm sure the OP wants her thread back. I just wanted to share my experience that we didn't let an affair end our marriage and that it's possible to stay married to a partner and accept that they cheat and that cheating isn't always (and I'd posit that it is rarely) about the person being cheated on.

NP. Very enlightened of you, seriously. It sounds like you've done a lot of work on yourself and I hope your partner appreciates the level of understanding and unconditional acceptance you offer.

If doesn’t sound enlightened, it sounds like PP has low self-esteem and has been groomed to be a people-pleaser, always forgiving others because she doesn’t believe that she can be the one to hold them accountable. She always has to work on herself and not the other way around, because otherwise the dynamic won’t work.

This isn’t a condemnation, I think a lot of us suffer from people-pleasing habits. But let’s not confuse dysfunction with health.

+1 It sounds like low self esteem and fear of being divorced. I don't think she is admirable. It is one thing to be forgiving when this happened and he stopped, but to keep allowing it and it never changing? No, she is letting him disrespect her. This is. If she stays, she should at least get her own boyfriend. This is one of the craziest things I have ever read on here.

You are so judgmental. I said it above - I have good self esteem, a nice career and do not fear divorce. My husband isn’t perfect but I love him and I accept
That he occasionally wants to sleep with other women in order to soothe a deep wound from childhood. It’s not that complicated. I listened to him, I heard him and I accept and love him. I don’t sleep with other men but my husband would not mind if I did if it was something that helped me cope with a fear I can by very honestly. Again: to each his other her own. And to the OP I am sorry for diverting your thread - I just wanted you to know it’s possible for a marriage to survive affairs, and that not everything is so black and white. Cheating is almost never about the person being cheated on.

PP, you realize that your believing this puts you in chump lady territory, correct? Maybe you could say, look dude I realize it’s hopeless to expect you to change but I’m willing to stick it out because of the bennies marriage provides for me. But to believe the bolded - that he’s chasing tail for therapeutic reasons. Like, convincing those women to sleep with him is on par with getting therapy to work through his “trauma??” That is what is so beyond the pale about this PP. It’s utter BS and we hope you can see that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It always shocks me how people are willing to stay in a marriage with someone who is unfaithful. The adults I know from divorced parents - all carry some trauma from the ef-ed up relationship of their parents. It impacts their ability to be in a healthy marriage.

If you aren't willing to protect yourself -- how can you continue to mess up our kids?

I know for some women they don't have jobs that allow them to have any independence. Also a bad message to your children -- but that's another thread topic!

I remember my husband saying that when his parents finally separated and divorced - after staying together "for the family" - it was such a relief.

Your.post is arrogant to the point of absurdity. You know nothing about anyone's situation, what may be worth saving in a long marriage and whether kids are better in a marriage where there is love. Infidelity can be the defining point in a marriage or simply a low point in an otherwise good, long marriage. You can cheerlead divorce all you want to justify your choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I listened. Really listened. My husband eventually admitted to me that having affairs is rooted in childhood issues (mainly fear of abandonment - his mother left his father and him when he was only 3) and that knowing he can always attract someone else makes him feel secure. It's not ideal for me as his wife, but at least I understand. And having gone through some serious trauma myself as a child, I'm more inclined to be understanding about him doing what he needs to do in order to feel secure.

Interestingly the outcome of all this was that he started to trust me more - he was open with me about his fears, I didn't leave him or try to change him and I really tried to understand and accept him. And as he trusted me more he had less need to have affairs. I know he still has the occasional one night stand, but it is nothing like it used to be and we are overall doing pretty well in our marriage.

Wow. So you just look the other way now? I hope he is at least safe.

Yes I look the other way and yes he is safe. I have compassion for what he went through as a child. I come from a family of addicts and abusers and I guess I look at him sleeping with other women as an effective coping mechanism for a very powerful trauma he experienced. His mother just left him when he was only a little kid. I’m not saying my marriage is ideal, but it works for us.

You have no idea, and I've never met a man who prefers wearing condoms.

PP here. I suppose you're right that I don't know for sure, but he cares about his health and he actually doesn't mind wearing condoms. Anyway, I'm sure the OP wants her thread back. I just wanted to share my experience that we didn't let an affair end our marriage and that it's possible to stay married to a partner and accept that they cheat and that cheating isn't always (and I'd posit that it is rarely) about the person being cheated on.

NP. Very enlightened of you, seriously. It sounds like you've done a lot of work on yourself and I hope your partner appreciates the level of understanding and unconditional acceptance you offer.

If doesn’t sound enlightened, it sounds like PP has low self-esteem and has been groomed to be a people-pleaser, always forgiving others because she doesn’t believe that she can be the one to hold them accountable. She always has to work on herself and not the other way around, because otherwise the dynamic won’t work.

This isn’t a condemnation, I think a lot of us suffer from people-pleasing habits. But let’s not confuse dysfunction with health.

+1 It sounds like low self esteem and fear of being divorced. I don't think she is admirable. It is one thing to be forgiving when this happened and he stopped, but to keep allowing it and it never changing? No, she is letting him disrespect her. This is. If she stays, she should at least get her own boyfriend. This is one of the craziest things I have ever read on here.

You are so judgmental. I said it above - I have good self esteem, a nice career and do not fear divorce. My husband isn’t perfect but I love him and I accept
That he occasionally wants to sleep with other women in order to soothe a deep wound from childhood. It’s not that complicated. I listened to him, I heard him and I accept and love him. I don’t sleep with other men but my husband would not mind if I did if it was something that helped me cope with a fear I can by very honestly. Again: to each his other her own. And to the OP I am sorry for diverting your thread - I just wanted you to know it’s possible for a marriage to survive affairs, and that not everything is so black and white. Cheating is almost never about the person being cheated on.

Thank you for sharing your story. I agree with you, and people like us are the silent majority

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Anonymous wrote:I listened. Really listened. My husband eventually admitted to me that having affairs is rooted in childhood issues (mainly fear of abandonment - his mother left his father and him when he was only 3) and that knowing he can always attract someone else makes him feel secure. It's not ideal for me as his wife, but at least I understand. And having gone through some serious trauma myself as a child, I'm more inclined to be understanding about him doing what he needs to do in order to feel secure.

Interestingly the outcome of all this was that he started to trust me more - he was open with me about his fears, I didn't leave him or try to change him and I really tried to understand and accept him. And as he trusted me more he had less need to have affairs. I know he still has the occasional one night stand, but it is nothing like it used to be and we are overall doing pretty well in our marriage.

Wow. So you just look the other way now? I hope he is at least safe.

Yes I look the other way and yes he is safe. I have compassion for what he went through as a child. I come from a family of addicts and abusers and I guess I look at him sleeping with other women as an effective coping mechanism for a very powerful trauma he experienced. His mother just left him when he was only a little kid. I’m not saying my marriage is ideal, but it works for us.

You have no idea, and I've never met a man who prefers wearing condoms.

PP here. I suppose you're right that I don't know for sure, but he cares about his health and he actually doesn't mind wearing condoms. Anyway, I'm sure the OP wants her thread back. I just wanted to share my experience that we didn't let an affair end our marriage and that it's possible to stay married to a partner and accept that they cheat and that cheating isn't always (and I'd posit that it is rarely) about the person being cheated on.

NP. Very enlightened of you, seriously. It sounds like you've done a lot of work on yourself and I hope your partner appreciates the level of understanding and unconditional acceptance you offer.

If doesn’t sound enlightened, it sounds like PP has low self-esteem and has been groomed to be a people-pleaser, always forgiving others because she doesn’t believe that she can be the one to hold them accountable. She always has to work on herself and not the other way around, because otherwise the dynamic won’t work.

This isn’t a condemnation, I think a lot of us suffer from people-pleasing habits. But let’s not confuse dysfunction with health.

+1 It sounds like low self esteem and fear of being divorced. I don't think she is admirable. It is one thing to be forgiving when this happened and he stopped, but to keep allowing it and it never changing? No, she is letting him disrespect her. This is. If she stays, she should at least get her own boyfriend. This is one of the craziest things I have ever read on here.

You are so judgmental. I said it above - I have good self esteem, a nice career and do not fear divorce. My husband isn’t perfect but I love him and I accept
That he occasionally wants to sleep with other women in order to soothe a deep wound from childhood. It’s not that complicated. I listened to him, I heard him and I accept and love him. I don’t sleep with other men but my husband would not mind if I did if it was something that helped me cope with a fear I can by very honestly. Again: to each his other her own. And to the OP I am sorry for diverting your thread - I just wanted you to know it’s possible for a marriage to survive affairs, and that not everything is so black and white. Cheating is almost never about the person being cheated on.

The only thing he's soothing is his blue balls.

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Anonymous wrote:I listened. Really listened. My husband eventually admitted to me that having affairs is rooted in childhood issues (mainly fear of abandonment - his mother left his father and him when he was only 3) and that knowing he can always attract someone else makes him feel secure. It's not ideal for me as his wife, but at least I understand. And having gone through some serious trauma myself as a child, I'm more inclined to be understanding about him doing what he needs to do in order to feel secure.

Interestingly the outcome of all this was that he started to trust me more - he was open with me about his fears, I didn't leave him or try to change him and I really tried to understand and accept him. And as he trusted me more he had less need to have affairs. I know he still has the occasional one night stand, but it is nothing like it used to be and we are overall doing pretty well in our marriage.

Wow. So you just look the other way now? I hope he is at least safe.

Yes I look the other way and yes he is safe. I have compassion for what he went through as a child. I come from a family of addicts and abusers and I guess I look at him sleeping with other women as an effective coping mechanism for a very powerful trauma he experienced. His mother just left him when he was only a little kid. I’m not saying my marriage is ideal, but it works for us.

You have no idea, and I've never met a man who prefers wearing condoms.

PP here. I suppose you're right that I don't know for sure, but he cares about his health and he actually doesn't mind wearing condoms. Anyway, I'm sure the OP wants her thread back. I just wanted to share my experience that we didn't let an affair end our marriage and that it's possible to stay married to a partner and accept that they cheat and that cheating isn't always (and I'd posit that it is rarely) about the person being cheated on.

NP. Very enlightened of you, seriously. It sounds like you've done a lot of work on yourself and I hope your partner appreciates the level of understanding and unconditional acceptance you offer.

If doesn’t sound enlightened, it sounds like PP has low self-esteem and has been groomed to be a people-pleaser, always forgiving others because she doesn’t believe that she can be the one to hold them accountable. She always has to work on herself and not the other way around, because otherwise the dynamic won’t work.

This isn’t a condemnation, I think a lot of us suffer from people-pleasing habits. But let’s not confuse dysfunction with health.

+1 It sounds like low self esteem and fear of being divorced. I don't think she is admirable. It is one thing to be forgiving when this happened and he stopped, but to keep allowing it and it never changing? No, she is letting him disrespect her. This is. If she stays, she should at least get her own boyfriend. This is one of the craziest things I have ever read on here.

You are so judgmental. I said it above - I have good self esteem, a nice career and do not fear divorce. My husband isn’t perfect but I love him and I accept
That he occasionally wants to sleep with other women in order to soothe a deep wound from childhood. It’s not that complicated. I listened to him, I heard him and I accept and love him. I don’t sleep with other men but my husband would not mind if I did if it was something that helped me cope with a fear I can by very honestly. Again: to each his other her own. And to the OP I am sorry for diverting your thread - I just wanted you to know it’s possible for a marriage to survive affairs, and that not everything is so black and white. Cheating is almost never about the person being cheated on.

Thank you for sharing your story. I agree with you, and people like us are the silent majority

This scenario is not the silent majority. Staying after cheating can work—but that is assuming the cheating stops. Putting up with continued affairs with multiple women indefinitely? No, that is not something most people would accept.

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OP is it really a happy household and family if YOU’RE not happy? You are entitled to happiness.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is it really a happy household and family if YOU’RE not happy? You are entitled to happiness.

Thank you. That’s where I’m arriving.
-OP