UPenn Law Professor Amy Wax: US "better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration"

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

It's not having it both ways for me to support the parts of Republican party platform I agree with even though there are terrible people in the party. I'll note that Republican is the party that is trying to put in place a merit-based immigration system, one which will predominantly benefit Asian Americans. Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against such a merit-based system.

Republicans, led by Trump, are also the ones who put in place a complete and total visa ban, which predominantly discriminated against Asian Americans. I mean sure you can support the GOP just say you don't care if or when any racist policies come forth and are announced straight from the microphones at the White House and affect people who look like you.

I'm smart enough to know that the visa ban was done to limit international travel due to COVID. It was not aimed at Asians, Asians just felt a significant impact. The same could be said of professional sports game ban against African Americans, although it would be foolish to claim that such a ban was racist against AAs. The only real actual racist policy I know of are from Democrats who support affirmative action to discriminate against Asians based on the color of our skin. They defend this practice all the way to the supreme court.

Look, if you are so concerned about the welfare of Asian immigrants, join the Republicans in calling for merit-based immigration system, which will predominantly benefit south and east Asians.

Let's play this out. Let's say that the US implements a merit based system, which leads to a large up tick in Asian immigrants. Do you think she and the rest of the Rs would be happy about that? Sersiously? Asian Americans vote D. You think white Rs would want more Dems? They may talk about a "merit" system, but once that cat is out of the bag, they will try to find ways to limit Asian influence.

I'll say it again.. Rs are using Asian Americans as a convenience. They treat Asian Americans as a patsy, like the model minority myth.

Well, lets arrive at our decision based on facts. Republican party tried to get Affirmative Action banned, Democrats are protecting it in court. Republicans want a merit-based immigration system, which we all know will benefit Asians. Democrats wants to hold on to the lottery system in the name of diversity. I'd say that's pretty clear indication which party is better for Asians.

Nobody uses me unless I let them. I'm my own person with my own ideas. You can keep telling me that Republicans are anti-Asian but the evidence says otherwise. You have nothing to offer but fear.

You are letting Rs use you as a convenience simply by supporting Rs.

Why do you think 70% of uneducated white males are Rs?
Why do you think the more educated you are, the more you tend to vote Dem, which is also why this racist prof. wants to limit Asian immigration.
Why do the majority of Asian Americans vote Dem? CA voted to do away with affirmative action with Prop 209. Affirmative action in university admissions is not legal. Race can be one factor, but quotas and affirmative action are not legal. And yet, Asian Americans still vote Dem. Why is that?

DP. The bolded is exactly why so many people have come to loathe Democrats. This arrogant assumption that "Democrats know best," including what is best for people other than themselves. It's revolting. Stop telling others what to think and how to vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

It's not having it both ways for me to support the parts of Republican party platform I agree with even though there are terrible people in the party. I'll note that Republican is the party that is trying to put in place a merit-based immigration system, one which will predominantly benefit Asian Americans. Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against such a merit-based system.

Republicans, led by Trump, are also the ones who put in place a complete and total visa ban, which predominantly discriminated against Asian Americans. I mean sure you can support the GOP just say you don't care if or when any racist policies come forth and are announced straight from the microphones at the White House and affect people who look like you.

I'm smart enough to know that the visa ban was done to limit international travel due to COVID. It was not aimed at Asians, Asians just felt a significant impact. The same could be said of professional sports game ban against African Americans, although it would be foolish to claim that such a ban was racist against AAs. The only real actual racist policy I know of are from Democrats who support affirmative action to discriminate against Asians based on the color of our skin. They defend this practice all the way to the supreme court.

Look, if you are so concerned about the welfare of Asian immigrants, join the Republicans in calling for merit-based immigration system, which will predominantly benefit south and east Asians.

Let's play this out. Let's say that the US implements a merit based system, which leads to a large up tick in Asian immigrants. Do you think she and the rest of the Rs would be happy about that? Sersiously? Asian Americans vote D. You think white Rs would want more Dems? They may talk about a "merit" system, but once that cat is out of the bag, they will try to find ways to limit Asian influence.

I'll say it again.. Rs are using Asian Americans as a convenience. They treat Asian Americans as a patsy, like the model minority myth.

Well, lets arrive at our decision based on facts. Republican party tried to get Affirmative Action banned, Democrats are protecting it in court. Republicans want a merit-based immigration system, which we all know will benefit Asians. Democrats wants to hold on to the lottery system in the name of diversity. I'd say that's pretty clear indication which party is better for Asians.

Nobody uses me unless I let them. I'm my own person with my own ideas. You can keep telling me that Republicans are anti-Asian but the evidence says otherwise. You have nothing to offer but fear.

You are letting Rs use you as a convenience simply by supporting Rs.

Why do you think 70% of uneducated white males are Rs?
Why do you think the more educated you are, the more you tend to vote Dem, which is also why this racist prof. wants to limit Asian immigration.
Why do the majority of Asian Americans vote Dem? CA voted to do away with affirmative action with Prop 209. Affirmative action in university admissions is not legal. Race can be one factor, but quotas and affirmative action are not legal. And yet, Asian Americans still vote Dem. Why is that?

People without a college degree are not the same as uneducated. It's elitist for you to believe otherwise. People become educated in a variety of ways, even modern elite institutions realize this. Yet there is this pervasive condescending attitude from the left that a piece of credential is the arbiter of who is educated. I will also point out that people with a college degree are in the minority, and that's including associate degrees which I suspect most Democrats wouldn't accept as a qualification for being "educated". Only about a third of the country has a Bachelors's degree, and the current ratio of female to male college enrollment is about 3:2. Given that women are predisposed to being liberal in their ideas, tend to get degrees in the arts which reinforce those left-leaning tendencies, it's simply a natural fact that the majority of those with a Bachelors's degree are going to be Democrats. But lest you think that Democrats somehow enjoy exclusivity among the educated, consider the fact that Pilots, Dentists, Surgeons are all professions that lean Republican. Are these people uneducated in your mind?

The reason why most Asians vote Democrat is that most Asians don't get involved in American politics. Most of us sit on the sidelines and observe. We are a people who don't complain much and usually take our challenges and roll with it rather than speak up. Due to this lack of engagement, most of us believe the claim by Democrats that Republicans are racists. Just as a normal person doesn't go around town shouting to everyone "I'm not a racist!", Republicans don't go around shouting that either. So the finger stabbing by the Democrats sticks. However, some Asians are waking up to the BS, and I see this in all Asian communities. Indians want a merit-based immigration system to clear the huge backlog they are facing. Chinese parents are angry about the Affirmative Action programs that discriminate against their kids, etc. I'm not saying that Asians are going to start voting Republican in the next election cycle, but every tide starts with a small ripple. I hope for my fellow Asian Americans to become more aware of their adoptive country, to be more engaged in the direction of our nation's politics because it's the only way that we can ensure that the efforts we've made to provide our children with a bright future is not wasted away.

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A 'merit-based immigration' system? You mean a pay-to-play system like Canada where you can buy golden visas? No thanks.

You saying this like the US doesn't have an investor visa program.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

It's not having it both ways for me to support the parts of Republican party platform I agree with even though there are terrible people in the party. I'll note that Republican is the party that is trying to put in place a merit-based immigration system, one which will predominantly benefit Asian Americans. Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against such a merit-based system.

Republicans, led by Trump, are also the ones who put in place a complete and total visa ban, which predominantly discriminated against Asian Americans. I mean sure you can support the GOP just say you don't care if or when any racist policies come forth and are announced straight from the microphones at the White House and affect people who look like you.

I'm smart enough to know that the visa ban was done to limit international travel due to COVID. It was not aimed at Asians, Asians just felt a significant impact. The same could be said of professional sports game ban against African Americans, although it would be foolish to claim that such a ban was racist against AAs. The only real actual racist policy I know of are from Democrats who support affirmative action to discriminate against Asians based on the color of our skin. They defend this practice all the way to the supreme court.

Look, if you are so concerned about the welfare of Asian immigrants, join the Republicans in calling for merit-based immigration system, which will predominantly benefit south and east Asians.

Let's play this out. Let's say that the US implements a merit based system, which leads to a large up tick in Asian immigrants. Do you think she and the rest of the Rs would be happy about that? Sersiously? Asian Americans vote D. You think white Rs would want more Dems? They may talk about a "merit" system, but once that cat is out of the bag, they will try to find ways to limit Asian influence.

I'll say it again.. Rs are using Asian Americans as a convenience. They treat Asian Americans as a patsy, like the model minority myth.

Well, lets arrive at our decision based on facts. Republican party tried to get Affirmative Action banned, Democrats are protecting it in court. Republicans want a merit-based immigration system, which we all know will benefit Asians. Democrats wants to hold on to the lottery system in the name of diversity. I'd say that's pretty clear indication which party is better for Asians.

Nobody uses me unless I let them. I'm my own person with my own ideas. You can keep telling me that Republicans are anti-Asian but the evidence says otherwise. You have nothing to offer but fear.

You are letting Rs use you as a convenience simply by supporting Rs.

Why do you think 70% of uneducated white males are Rs?
Why do you think the more educated you are, the more you tend to vote Dem, which is also why this racist prof. wants to limit Asian immigration.
Why do the majority of Asian Americans vote Dem? CA voted to do away with affirmative action with Prop 209. Affirmative action in university admissions is not legal. Race can be one factor, but quotas and affirmative action are not legal. And yet, Asian Americans still vote Dem. Why is that?

DP.
I have to say...... your elitism is revolting.

People who chose not to go to college or simply could not afford it are NOT "uneducated."
And, people who attend college are NOT always "more educated."
Some of the truly dumbest people I know have PhD's.

Posts like this are exactly why the pp is rejecting the Democrats.

I've nothing against uneducated people. My parents and siblings are uneducated. But the fact remains, that 70% of uneducated white males vote R. Why is that?

As I stated, I used to be a R. Asian Americans used to vote R. No longer. Why is that?

Who the heck knows. We are not bugs burrowed in your brain, why would we know why you no longer vote Republican? The fact that you think this is a valid question to ask shows just how irrational you are. Survey after survey consistently shows that Republicans are better informed than Democrats, despite Democrats having more college degrees. "Why is that?"

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

As an Asian I would say you are kidding yourself.

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If you need any evidence that R is a racist party, remember who called covid "Ku*ng Flu" in his rallies.

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Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

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It sounded like she asserted that some Asian voters in nova swung to Youngkin based on concerns about education — but NOT crt. That’s what seems to be bugging her, among other things.

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Anonymous wrote:The game is afoot! And by game, I mean the uniquely American pastime of electioneering. Hypothesis: both Rs and Ds perceive the votes of Asian Americans as being in play. Supporting evidence: (1) why else would the observations of Matt Taibbi on the election results in Loudon County (https://taibbi.substack.com/p/loudoun-county-virginia-a-culture), the epitome of local politics, get pushed out nationally (see https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/schools-immigration-loudoun-county-critical-race-theory/), and, shortly thereafter, (2) why else would Wax's comments, presumably only of direct consequence to her students, similarly get pushed nationally (https://www.thedailybeast.com/racist-penn-law-prof-amy-wax-makes-disturbing-claim-us-is-better-off-with-fewer-asians).

Not quite sure what you’re talking about regarding Taibbi. The VA governor’s race attracted national attention. So did Loudoun County. He posted a remarkably good piece about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

As an Asian I would say you are kidding yourself.

Wow, so convincing. I am convinced. You are right, I have been wrong. Thank you for setting me straight with all those facts and logic. You are truly your brother's keeper.

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jsteele wrote:University of Pennsylvania law professor Amy Wax has a history of racist comments. While she previously has targeted black people, her most recent focus has been on Asians. Here is some of what she had to say:

https://glennloury.substack.com/p/amy-wax-redux

Numbers matter, a lot! In the case of Asians in the U.S., the overwhelming majority vote Democratic. In my opinion, the Democratic Party is a pernicious influence and force in our country today. It advocates for “wokeness,” demands equal outcomes despite clear individual and group differences in talent, ability, and drive, mindlessly valorizes blacks (the group most responsible for anti-Asian violence) regardless of behavior or self-inflicted wounds, sneers at traditional family forms, undermines and disparages the advantages of personal responsibility, hard work, and accountability, and attacks the meritocracy.

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Maybe it’s just that Democrats love open borders, and Asians want more Asians here. Perhaps they (and especially their distaff element) are just mesmerized by the feel-good cult of “diversity.” I don’t know the answer. But as long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration. There needs to be more focus on people who are already here, and especially the core (and neglected) “legacy” population, and a push to return to traditional concepts and institutions and Charles Murray’s “American Creed.”

I am shocked, shocked I say, that this person would find common ground with Enoch Powell and Charles Murray. It is interesting that her main complaint is that Asians support Democrats. Is anyone surprised that Asians don't flock to a party with members such as Wax?

Not to disrupt your rant, but Charles Murray has repeatedly gone on record to state that he thinks Asians are intellectually superior to white people.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to disrupt your rant, but Charles Murray has repeatedly gone on record to state that he thinks Asians are intellectually superior to white people.

Obviously that is just as racist as his contention that black people are intellectually inferior. I am not sure that arguing that he is consistently racist improves things.

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A 'merit-based immigration' system? You mean a pay-to-play system like Canada where you can buy golden visas? No thanks.

You saying this like the US doesn't have an investor visa program.

H1-visa is a more like a merit based immigration system, which our great leader wanted to reduce/restrict.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

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Anonymous wrote:The ironic thing is a lot of Jews have had the same accusations leveled against them this wax (who is a Jew herself) spewed out.

Jews like wax and Stephen miller who hold these views feel threatened by the competition.

Also zooming out to the global stage, east and South Asia dont get guilt tripped by Jews over matters of Israel and other Jewish issues.

A relatively rising eastern hemisphere and weakening of western oriented order worries Jews because China, India, Korea, Japan aren’t really philosemitic like the US. Just indifferent

Funny you mentioned Jews/Judaism because I actually see this rise of anti-Asian sentiment which is being stoked with slow burning fires growing. I see it increasing attacks and trauma against Asians as a whole for a new decade and hopefully not ending like the Holocaust did for Jews.

That said - Asians here on DCUM and I've spoken to in real life - don't care. So who am I to infer?

- Not an Asian

Are Jews attacking Asians? Wow!