Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you under the impression that the electricity just wills its way in to existence?

Accounting for how the electricity is produced, the environmental costs of producing the car, etc., an electric car is cleaner than a gas car within 27,000 to 40,000 miles driven: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36877102/20-questions-evs-environmentally-friendly/

If you care about the environment, maybe you should consider how much you are driving. Big different if you put a few thousand miles on like me vs. 27,000 to 40,000. Even when I worked and used my car for work, I put on 12-15K. You are driving way to much.

Let's hear your environmental friendly version of what happens to the car batteries when they no longer charge? They can't be recycled.

I like how confident you are when you make the claim that car batteries can’t be recycled. In fact you’re just a clown that has no clue, they are 100% recycled.

https://www.tesla.com/support/sustainability-recycling

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OP, I bought a diesel vehicle, so the mileage is better than regular gas.

I often drive through the high desert, where I live for a good part of the year. Temperatures are routinely in the 110s in the summer, and electric vehicles out there catch on fire at a much higher rate. It isn't practical for me. It might be, when that technology improves.

https://ktvz.com/news/fire/2021/08/23/electric-car-fire-west-of-redmond-prompts-special-firefighter-precautions

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have to charge my car for 30 minutes every 2 hours on a road trip. I will wait for the infrastructure to catch up.

Does it change your mind if it's 20 minutes every 3 hours?

No -- 8 hours minimum before electric cars work for most people. And then a 5 minute recharge for another 8.

Lol! Likely this is ironic, but if true, what an idiot!

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I bought a diesel vehicle, so the mileage is better than regular gas.

I often drive through the high desert, where I live for a good part of the year. Temperatures are routinely in the 110s in the summer, and electric vehicles out there catch on fire at a much higher rate. It isn't practical for me. It might be, when that technology improves.

https://ktvz.com/news/fire/2021/08/23/electric-car-fire-west-of-redmond-prompts-special-firefighter-precautions

I don’t know if it’s the same clown poster making bs arguments against electric cars posing as an expert, but this is simply not true.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting ready to buy a Porsche. The car it is replacing is 10 years old and wont last until the EVs come out (2023 at the earliest). And we regularly drive 500 miles to our 2nd home (doing it again in 2 weeks) so we need at least 1 gas or hybrid car to make that drive without having the worry about recharging. I think they are projecting that the EV Macan will have a range around 200 miles. I sat in a Taycan recently and it was not comfortable, nor is the design practical for us to haul things.

We do plan to get a EV for a second car when that car needs to be replaced.

Do you regularly make a 500-mile drive in your gas car without having to stop to refuel? Where is your vacation home? I'd bet there's a very convenient way to charge it on the way there.

There is. Tesla Supercharger or Electrify America lots. We did a 500 mile trip recently. Stopped twice to recharge. 30 mins each stop. That was bathroom, eating, stretching legs. And then chilling out in the climate controlled car for another 10 mins each time. Not a hardship at all. You can sit in your car while it's charging. You should take breaks when driving anyway. It's really not complicated.

Also, it cost uys about 20 dollars. Round trip

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Anonymous wrote:Are you under the impression that the electricity just wills its way in to existence?

Accounting for how the electricity is produced, the environmental costs of producing the car, etc., an electric car is cleaner than a gas car within 27,000 to 40,000 miles driven: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36877102/20-questions-evs-environmentally-friendly/

If you care about the environment, maybe you should consider how much you are driving. Big different if you put a few thousand miles on like me vs. 27,000 to 40,000. Even when I worked and used my car for work, I put on 12-15K. You are driving way to much.

No one is talking about 27,000 miles to 45,000 miles a year. You never keep your cars for more than 15,000 miles?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you under the impression that the electricity just wills its way in to existence?

Exactly. It's like throwing greasy cardboard and plastic grocery bags into the recycling bin and then feeling sanctimonious about it.

Well, no, it's not, because at least some of the electricity comes from renewable sources, so the net carbon emissions of per mile of an electric car are lower than they are for a gas car no matter what. In your example, throwing that stuff in the recycling makes the whole recycling bin garbage. In the case of an electric car vs. a gas car, driving the electric car is still better for the planet despite the emissions from generating the electricity.

Some of gasoline comes from renewable sources too. In most areas, gasoline contains up to 10% of ethanol, which is made from corn.

But burning ethanol still leads to emissions.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't expect anyone to trade in a car they already have, and I realize that many (most, even) people can't afford to buy electric cars. But if you're driving around with temporary tags on a new gas-burning car that costs more than our new $45,000 electric car did, what is wrong with you? If you can afford a new Porsche Macan, you can afford a Tesla or an electric Audi or something that doesn't contribute as much to destroying the world. (They even make electric Porsches! They'll soon be making electric Macans!) Do people just not think about climate change at all when they're in the process of dropping $60,000 on a car?

1. Someday the technology will be there for a battery powered car that does what I want it to do. My guess is 30-40 years from now. I will buy one then.

2. Gas is not going anywhere. We will still be driving gas cars in 30 years.

3. No I do not consider climate change when purchasing a car or really doing anything else.

Do you not believe in it? Do you have kids?

PP here. 4 kids. Yes believe in it. Also believe in reality. Electric cars are to make people fell better in 2021. Someday they will be here and ready. Until then gas car is the only way to go unless you buy a horse.

That's weird, we manage to do about 95 percent of our driving in an electric car, including road trips up and down I-95 and to the Delmarva beaches. I guess maybe it's actually a horse?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have to charge my car for 30 minutes every 2 hours on a road trip. I will wait for the infrastructure to catch up.

Does it change your mind if it's 20 minutes every 3 hours?

No -- 8 hours minimum before electric cars work for most people. And then a 5 minute recharge for another 8.

We have one electric car and one gas car. The gas car has a 10-gallon tank; the electric car has a 77 kWh battery. They both basically have the same range, but we can fill up the electric car's battery in our driveway whenever we want, while we have to take the gas car somewhere to refuel it. Neither of them can drive for 8 hours straight without stopping for gas or electricity, so it's never occurred to me to try something ridiculous like that. But sure, "most people" can't use electric cars until they can drive from D.C. to Nashville straight through without stopping.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us enjoy things like internal combustion engines and manual transmissions.

Some of us enjoy zooming past you and listening to our music with no engine noise, slowpoke.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have to charge my car for 30 minutes every 2 hours on a road trip. I will wait for the infrastructure to catch up.

Does it change your mind if it's 20 minutes every 3 hours?

No -- 8 hours minimum before electric cars work for most people. And then a 5 minute recharge for another 8.

Lol! Likely this is ironic, but if true, what an idiot!

this is what is needed to make electric cars viable.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have to charge my car for 30 minutes every 2 hours on a road trip. I will wait for the infrastructure to catch up.

Does it change your mind if it's 20 minutes every 3 hours?

No -- 8 hours minimum before electric cars work for most people. And then a 5 minute recharge for another 8.

We have one electric car and one gas car. The gas car has a 10-gallon tank; the electric car has a 77 kWh battery. They both basically have the same range, but we can fill up the electric car's battery in our driveway whenever we want, while we have to take the gas car somewhere to refuel it. Neither of them can drive for 8 hours straight without stopping for gas or electricity, so it's never occurred to me to try something ridiculous like that. But sure, "most people" can't use electric cars until they can drive from D.C. to Nashville straight through without stopping.

A 10 gallon tank? I couldn't get through one day of driving on a 10 gallon tank. This all works for people that do not drive much. But not really for anyone outside a city.

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting ready to buy a Porsche. The car it is replacing is 10 years old and wont last until the EVs come out (2023 at the earliest). And we regularly drive 500 miles to our 2nd home (doing it again in 2 weeks) so we need at least 1 gas or hybrid car to make that drive without having the worry about recharging. I think they are projecting that the EV Macan will have a range around 200 miles. I sat in a Taycan recently and it was not comfortable, nor is the design practical for us to haul things.

We do plan to get a EV for a second car when that car needs to be replaced.

Do you regularly make a 500-mile drive in your gas car without having to stop to refuel? Where is your vacation home? I'd bet there's a very convenient way to charge it on the way there.

There is. Tesla Supercharger or Electrify America lots. We did a 500 mile trip recently. Stopped twice to recharge. 30 mins each stop. That was bathroom, eating, stretching legs. And then chilling out in the climate controlled car for another 10 mins each time. Not a hardship at all. You can sit in your car while it's charging. You should take breaks when driving anyway. It's really not complicated.

Also, it cost uys about 20 dollars. Round trip

This is likely the experience that will be there in the future with the time dropped from 30 mins to 10 or 5. This is where electric cars are headed: charging stations with restrooms, food, other stuff to do. This will be the norm. But not for a while.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have to charge my car for 30 minutes every 2 hours on a road trip. I will wait for the infrastructure to catch up.

Does it change your mind if it's 20 minutes every 3 hours?

No -- 8 hours minimum before electric cars work for most people. And then a 5 minute recharge for another 8.

Lol! Likely this is ironic, but if true, what an idiot!

this is what is needed to make electric cars viable.

Are you aware of the market share of electric cars? Read up a bit before making silly comments. In many places it is beyond the early adopters into the early majority.

That means they are already viable with the existing features.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I bought a diesel vehicle, so the mileage is better than regular gas.

I often drive through the high desert, where I live for a good part of the year. Temperatures are routinely in the 110s in the summer, and electric vehicles out there catch on fire at a much higher rate. It isn't practical for me. It might be, when that technology improves.

https://ktvz.com/news/fire/2021/08/23/electric-car-fire-west-of-redmond-prompts-special-firefighter-precautions

I don’t know if it’s the same clown poster making bs arguments against electric cars posing as an expert, but this is simply not true.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents

Your Wikipedia article is both flagged as needing updating and, as far as I can tell, focuses on risk with overcharging and/or impact. I do not see discussion of extreme heat conditions, and yes, we "clowns" are experiencing that on the reservations (and by the way, over 30% of the home s on the reservation don't have electricity -- the closest charging stations are 45+ minutes away).


Please cite a useful reference.