Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Thanks. The kids I recognize from what I watched of the video are all noted as FT and not DP on Arlington's roster. I'm sure the DC United kid is FT as well. So was it confirmed that all of these extracurricular activities within the DA rules? Like someone said, this is one of the reasons some kids don't want to do DA. Too restricted. They might not even be able to do a fun little 3v3 tournament. Congrats to these kids winning it though.


I don't think anyone here is likely to know the answer to that question. It could be that the various events don't violate the DA rules. That is probably the case with any futsal or indoor soccer matches, since those aren't actually "soccer" leagues, and that may also be true of a 3 v. 3 tournament, especially if it occurs in the offseason. It doesn't seem that something like the Vegas cup game would be permissible though, unless the team got permission from US Soccer DA staff. That can happen. If it didn't happen, then it may be the case that the kids' families didn't know it wasn't allowed. Many of them are new to the DA, so that's plausible. The clubs wouldn't go for it if it were against the rules, but they may not have known the kids were participating since it was a holiday weekend with no practices likely.

I personally wouldn't care if my kid was restricted from doing 3 v. 3 or random all-star tournaments due to DA, but for any who think that's a huge loss, you can always skip DA or try to have your child join later once/if the appeal of these sort of events fades.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Thanks. The kids I recognize from what I watched of the video are all noted as FT and not DP on Arlington's roster. I'm sure the DC United kid is FT as well. So was it confirmed that all of these extracurricular activities within the DA rules? Like someone said, this is one of the reasons some kids don't want to do DA. Too restricted. They might not even be able to do a fun little 3v3 tournament. Congrats to these kids winning it though.


I don't think anyone here is likely to know the answer to that question. It could be that the various events don't violate the DA rules. That is probably the case with any futsal or indoor soccer matches, since those aren't actually "soccer" leagues, and that may also be true of a 3 v. 3 tournament, especially if it occurs in the offseason. It doesn't seem that something like the Vegas cup game would be permissible though, unless the team got permission from US Soccer DA staff. That can happen. If it didn't happen, then it may be the case that the kids' families didn't know it wasn't allowed. Many of them are new to the DA, so that's plausible. The clubs wouldn't go for it if it were against the rules, but they may not have known the kids were participating since it was a holiday weekend with no practices likely.

I personally wouldn't care if my kid was restricted from doing 3 v. 3 or random all-star tournaments due to DA, but for any who think that's a huge loss, you can always skip DA or try to have your child join later once/if the appeal of these sort of events fades.


For the Vegas Cup they would have had to get their player cards from their clubs, so there's no way they could have done that without permission.

Besides, why would they post all of those photos on instagram if they thought anyone was doing anything wrong?
Anonymous
This just looks like a misunderstanding to me.

No, a full-time DA player can't play State Cup. Or high school (though several players drop DA in spring of their senior years and play one high school season).

Joga doesn't really exist any more, so it's hard to gauge the timing of that trip vis a vis when these kids became full-time DA kids. Can a U12 DA player go on a training trip with another organization? Maybe? I don't know and don't really care.

Can a U12 DA player go off and play a 3v3 tournament with some buddies? I guess so. And that's not surprising.

Now if you can get that Bethesda U12 from Vienna to line up for Madison High School, please let me know!

Anonymous
From the DA website FAQ:

Can Academy players participate with non-Academy teams during the season?

Full-time Academy players are only permitted to participate on their Academy team, and National Team duty.

Some other info.

4. Player Participation in Unapproved Competitions: Academy Players must meet all
attendance and participation requirements for training and games for their Academy Team during the
Academy Season. Failure to meet those requirements should result in removal from the Academy Team.
Academy Clubs may not permit any Academy Player to participate on a non-Academy Team during the
Academy Season. Academy Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their players. The only
permissible soccer related reasons to miss Development Academy activities are National Team duty and
the players’ high school soccer season. It is noted that high school participation is at the discretion of the
individual player and the Academy Club. In lieu of high school, Academy Clubs may submit a request to
substitute another form of competition. All requests are subject to Academy Staff approval.
5. Academy Players currently registered with an Academy Club have committed to
forgoe participating in both the Academy and high school soccer. Players who participate in high school
soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season. Only
players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their clubs
Academy roster during the high school soccer season.
Anonymous
I've never seen a 3 v. 3 tournament before. Are they common around here? The OK kid with the hat was very good.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I've never seen a 3 v. 3 tournament before. Are they common around here? The OK kid with the hat was very good.


Pretty common among U littles
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:From the DA website FAQ:

Can Academy players participate with non-Academy teams during the season?

Full-time Academy players are only permitted to participate on their Academy team, and National Team duty.

Some other info.

4. Player Participation in Unapproved Competitions: Academy Players must meet all
attendance and participation requirements for training and games for their Academy Team during the
Academy Season. Failure to meet those requirements should result in removal from the Academy Team.
Academy Clubs may not permit any Academy Player to participate on a non-Academy Team during the
Academy Season. Academy Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their players. The only
permissible soccer related reasons to miss Development Academy activities are National Team duty and
the players’ high school soccer season. It is noted that high school participation is at the discretion of the
individual player and the Academy Club. In lieu of high school, Academy Clubs may submit a request to
substitute another form of competition. All requests are subject to Academy Staff approval.
5. Academy Players currently registered with an Academy Club have committed to
forgoe participating in both the Academy and high school soccer. Players who participate in high school
soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season. Only
players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their clubs
Academy roster during the high school soccer season.


DCA club is a non-Academy team but I guess it's OK because the restrictions only apply in season? They are allowed to do whatever they want in the summer and winter? I had heard they weren't allowed to do Super Y though so that doesn't make sense. Very confusing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This just looks like a misunderstanding to me.

No, a full-time DA player can't play State Cup. Or high school (though several players drop DA in spring of their senior years and play one high school season).

Joga doesn't really exist any more, so it's hard to gauge the timing of that trip vis a vis when these kids became full-time DA kids. Can a U12 DA player go on a training trip with another organization? Maybe? I don't know and don't really care.

Can a U12 DA player go off and play a 3v3 tournament with some buddies? I guess so. And that's not surprising.

Now if you can get that Bethesda U12 from Vienna to line up for Madison High School, please let me know!



Juries out what any of them will be like at 15/16. A lot happens. Young superstars often fizzle later. Many kids don't pursue DA at these youngest ages for reasons such driving 4 nights per week in rush hour traffic all the way around the Beltway or playing another sport. A lot of talent is being developed in home clubs that is on nobody's current radar. Kids grow, hit puberty, change---stop training on their own (or no longer have the time to train on their own). 11 years old---HS is a long way off.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From the DA website FAQ:

Can Academy players participate with non-Academy teams during the season?

Full-time Academy players are only permitted to participate on their Academy team, and National Team duty.

Some other info.

4. Player Participation in Unapproved Competitions: Academy Players must meet all
attendance and participation requirements for training and games for their Academy Team during the
Academy Season. Failure to meet those requirements should result in removal from the Academy Team.
Academy Clubs may not permit any Academy Player to participate on a non-Academy Team during the
Academy Season. Academy Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their players. The only
permissible soccer related reasons to miss Development Academy activities are National Team duty and
the players’ high school soccer season. It is noted that high school participation is at the discretion of the
individual player and the Academy Club. In lieu of high school, Academy Clubs may submit a request to
substitute another form of competition. All requests are subject to Academy Staff approval.
5. Academy Players currently registered with an Academy Club have committed to
forgoe participating in both the Academy and high school soccer. Players who participate in high school
soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season. Only
players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their clubs
Academy roster during the high school soccer season.


DCA club is a non-Academy team but I guess it's OK because the restrictions only apply in season? They are allowed to do whatever they want in the summer and winter? I had heard they weren't allowed to do Super Y though so that doesn't make sense. Very confusing.


I guess dad's should check the rules before they post the brag links.
Anonymous
re: 3 v 3 video.

So-- I just watched that video and I guess I am in the minority because I thought they sucked.

The first touch was horrible. They could barely complete passes. It looked like slow motion. For Christ sake, I've seen U9s play better than that.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:re: 3 v 3 video.

So-- I just watched that video and I guess I am in the minority because I thought they sucked.

The first touch was horrible. They could barely complete passes. It looked like slow motion. For Christ sake, I've seen U9s play better than that.


where's link?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:re: 3 v 3 video.

So-- I just watched that video and I guess I am in the minority because I thought they sucked.

The first touch was horrible. They could barely complete passes. It looked like slow motion. For Christ sake, I've seen U9s play better than that.


where's link?


http://dcaclub.com

https://youtu.be/M1XO8ffEYUg

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:re: 3 v 3 video.

So-- I just watched that video and I guess I am in the minority because I thought they sucked.

The first touch was horrible. They could barely complete passes. It looked like slow motion. For Christ sake, I've seen U9s play better than that.


where's link?


http://dcaclub.com

https://youtu.be/M1XO8ffEYUg



Agree, poor quality of play, are we sure these kids are DA? Had to stop after 4 minutes, the play was bad, not 1 passing sequence of 3 or more passes. Mis-hit passes and don't try to say into space because they were way off. No individual 1v1 quality, just relying on speed. Shots from midfield. Goalkicks? are you serious on a 3v3? dribble it out! best coaching point, "argh, come on guys!"

Everyone loves to build themselves as top this top that, premier, academy, what ever. The product is being completely diluted.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:re: 3 v 3 video.

So-- I just watched that video and I guess I am in the minority because I thought they sucked.

The first touch was horrible. They could barely complete passes. It looked like slow motion. For Christ sake, I've seen U9s play better than that.


where's link?


http://dcaclub.com

https://youtu.be/M1XO8ffEYUg



Agree, poor quality of play, are we sure these kids are DA? Had to stop after 4 minutes, the play was bad, not 1 passing sequence of 3 or more passes. Mis-hit passes and don't try to say into space because they were way off. No individual 1v1 quality, just relying on speed. Shots from midfield. Goalkicks? are you serious on a 3v3? dribble it out! best coaching point, "argh, come on guys!"

Everyone loves to build themselves as top this top that, premier, academy, what ever. The product is being completely diluted.


That's the Krieger way.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:re: 3 v 3 video.

So-- I just watched that video and I guess I am in the minority because I thought they sucked.

The first touch was horrible. They could barely complete passes. It looked like slow motion. For Christ sake, I've seen U9s play better than that.


where's link?


http://dcaclub.com

https://youtu.be/M1XO8ffEYUg



Agree, poor quality of play, are we sure these kids are DA? Had to stop after 4 minutes, the play was bad, not 1 passing sequence of 3 or more passes. Mis-hit passes and don't try to say into space because they were way off. No individual 1v1 quality, just relying on speed. Shots from midfield. Goalkicks? are you serious on a 3v3? dribble it out! best coaching point, "argh, come on guys!"

Everyone loves to build themselves as top this top that, premier, academy, what ever. The product is being completely diluted.


Ha! I also had to turn it off. The majority of parents are not driving their 9-12 year olds all over the DMV and chasing elite DA blah, blah, blah. The training is questionable, the driving and traffic is ridiculous. This area is a hot bed of soccer. Great training can be found right in the backyard. It is more beneficial to spend $ and time on 1 on 1 training at this age.

The best players in the area aren't showing up for this stuff. I do see so many talented players--most often they aren't even on the high teams in their own Clubs. It's not that they aren't out there. The system gets clogged with this crap in the early years and the crap continues to get pushed up through the pipes...leaving no room for anyone new.

Further--what is with all of this invite-only bullshit in the younger years? The invites and pre-selection are by fellow buddy coaches in the inner circle. This is a large part why we have such crap. A kid doesn't stand a fair shot from the beginning. This is the exact opposite of how it works in South America and Europe where the scouts go to the small towns, etc. A poor kid can make it big. Here--the kid won't even make it onto the tryout field. If he does make it there-- he'll be on the outer perimeter 'no eyes' field. You also have to have somebody evaluating that can actually spot soccer talent. The factors most of these American coaches select for our diametrically opposite to other places in the World.

It looks like the kids in that video are deliberately passing to the other side. They can't be that bad by U12. Maybe they are color-blind? I can't fathom how this is a National Championship final (wtf?!). In the year 2017-- this is the best we have? I don't buy it for a minute.
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