Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the three scenarios have the Rotted in Oakton people changing schools out of Oakton? Just curious.

I don't know about those people specifically because I don't know any of them (their kids are middle and high school aged, my kids are little), but I do know that people in Fox Mill Woods are really upset because they want to stay at South Lakes, and there are a few neighborhoods that get rezoned to Navy-Chantilly in one of the scenarios. There is also one street in Franklin Farm (that is adjacent to Franklin Glen but not Franklin Glen) that gets rezoned to Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

The whole opt in and lack of desire to go there shows why it should be a magnet school....

Thats not true. They should have opened it when renovated with set boundaries and sports. Most kids deciding against it this year did it due to sports.

Agree. Since they’ve already opened in a half ass manner, perhaps the next few years can be opt in only until they give proper notice to communities and have time to get the proper programming and sports options in place. This would allow ppl who want to go there to go, but also allow time for them to get their act together.

With the upcoming middle school changes as well, it makes sense to delay the entire process a few years. Get all their ducks in order, have proper LOCAL research, polls and maps. Have committees from every school giving community feedback. Please FCPS, stop delegating this task to a bunch of 20 year boys from NYC who have no clue about anything outside of placing prompts into ChatGPT for ideas.

There’s still time for Reid and the school board to correct course and fix this disaster.

Oh no, that's a dumb idea. Just doubling down on idiocy.
Set logical boundaries for a traditional HS. No more opting in or opting out.

Logical would mean moving Franklin Farm to Skyview.

It would be nice for all of Franklin Farm to go to one high school. Right now kids in the neighborhood are split between Chantilly and Oakton.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the three scenarios have the Rotted in Oakton people changing schools out of Oakton? Just curious.

I don't know about those people specifically because I don't know any of them (their kids are middle and high school aged, my kids are little), but I do know that people in Fox Mill Woods are really upset because they want to stay at South Lakes, and there are a few neighborhoods that get rezoned to Navy-Chantilly in one of the scenarios. There is also one street in Franklin Farm (that is adjacent to Franklin Glen but not Franklin Glen) that gets rezoned to Westfield.

It looks like that is all the streets off of Tuckaway?

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

The whole opt in and lack of desire to go there shows why it should be a magnet school....

Thats not true. They should have opened it when renovated with set boundaries and sports. Most kids deciding against it this year did it due to sports.

Agree. Since they’ve already opened in a half ass manner, perhaps the next few years can be opt in only until they give proper notice to communities and have time to get the proper programming and sports options in place. This would allow ppl who want to go there to go, but also allow time for them to get their act together.

With the upcoming middle school changes as well, it makes sense to delay the entire process a few years. Get all their ducks in order, have proper LOCAL research, polls and maps. Have committees from every school giving community feedback. Please FCPS, stop delegating this task to a bunch of 20 year boys from NYC who have no clue about anything outside of placing prompts into ChatGPT for ideas.

There’s still time for Reid and the school board to correct course and fix this disaster.

Oh no, that's a dumb idea. Just doubling down on idiocy.
Set logical boundaries for a traditional HS. No more opting in or opting out.

Logical would mean moving Franklin Farm to Skyview.

It would be nice for all of Franklin Farm to go to one high school. Right now kids in the neighborhood are split between Chantilly and Oakton.

Currently, Franklin Farm is split into three Elementary schools, two Middle schools, and two High schools. It doesn't make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the area represented by RIO, Crossfield parent, and very much want to zoned to Skyview. With the addition of Skyview there are now FOUR high schools closer/equal to me then Oakton. Skyview is half the distance!

Staying in Oakton means much longer bus rides, less sleep, reduced opportunities for extracurriculars, overall reduced quality of life for 4 years. Not to mention safety.. less than half the amount of time on otherwise dangerous roads means stastically my kids are much less likely to die or be injured! Shame on RIO, they are hurting their own kids.

Also seems the group consists of many folks who don't even have children in the school system , with the misguided perception it will greatly reduce property values. Based on what I've read at this point, seems like Skyview (eventually) will be just as "good" as Oakton if not better.

I know I'm not the only parent who feels this way. We need to do everything we can to get this message to the voting members. RIO doesn't represent our community or school, and they shouldn't be acting as such.

+1 Please organize. I have talked to everyone I know, we're all sending letters, but we don't know any lobbyists nor do we have a plant in Gatehouse. RIO is parents of middle and high schoolers. None of them have young elementary students. The ones I know of have 6th graders, middle schoolers, and high schoolers. The current PTO presidents have 6th graders. They are basically dropping this bomb, claiming they represent us, and leaving. I think every Crossfield parent would tell you that our PTO is HORRENDOUS. They never even advertise their board elections, they just pick the next group of board members from their friends and move forward.

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

FWIW, "the neighborhood closest to it" is Floris, and we 100% want to go there. Our community has been fighting to be included in the Skyview boundary since the school was purchased. 3 of the 4 original maps left parts of Floris out of Skyview, despite the fact that the schools its in the middle of our boundary. Keeping all of Floris — minus the small pockets they are proposing to carve out and send to Fox Mill for some unknown reason — in Skyview is one of the few reasonable things that these maps do, but it took a lot of work to get here.

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

The whole opt in and lack of desire to go there shows why it should be a magnet school....

Thats not true. They should have opened it when renovated with set boundaries and sports. Most kids deciding against it this year did it due to sports.

Agree. Since they’ve already opened in a half ass manner, perhaps the next few years can be opt in only until they give proper notice to communities and have time to get the proper programming and sports options in place. This would allow ppl who want to go there to go, but also allow time for them to get their act together.

With the upcoming middle school changes as well, it makes sense to delay the entire process a few years. Get all their ducks in order, have proper LOCAL research, polls and maps. Have committees from every school giving community feedback. Please FCPS, stop delegating this task to a bunch of 20 year boys from NYC who have no clue about anything outside of placing prompts into ChatGPT for ideas.

There’s still time for Reid and the school board to correct course and fix this disaster.

Oh no, that's a dumb idea. Just doubling down on idiocy.
Set logical boundaries for a traditional HS. No more opting in or opting out.

Logical would mean moving Franklin Farm to Skyview.

Franklin Farm homeowners made a website, rootedinoakton.com, even though their homes are in Herndon. Skyview is also in Herndon and is less than half the distance as Oakton. If they are rooted in anything, it is Herndon, hence their addresses. Making a website and raising pitchforks shouldn't cause illogical disruptions to more logical boundary maps just to appease these people. Perhaps it is time for them to put down their pitchforks and plant some new roots closer to home.

They should have e named school Oak Hill. Is RIO the reason they didn't? We're they sending a message? It was a popular choice, but did not make the cut for a vote. Why?

I asked this question in the naming process. They said Oak Hill was not considered as a name because of its historical roots as the name of a plantation. When I asked whether that meant that they should be renaming Oak Hill ES, I got told that they weren't going to do that with a rather sheepish look. I'm all for not glorifying or reinforcing the sins of the past, believe me, but Oak Hill is literally the name of the post office down the street. That's what the area is officially called. Seemed pretty silly to me.

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Anonymous wrote:In scenario 2, where they expand Westfield's bonudaries into Brookfield ES area, what is that little area that is carved out and "protected" still into Chantilly when the surrounding area gets moved?

Kind of looks like Iowa? I'm curious too.

Thats walney oaks that mobilized to get moved to Rocky Run MS at the regular boundary meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

The whole opt in and lack of desire to go there shows why it should be a magnet school....

Thats not true. They should have opened it when renovated with set boundaries and sports. Most kids deciding against it this year did it due to sports.

Agree. Since they’ve already opened in a half ass manner, perhaps the next few years can be opt in only until they give proper notice to communities and have time to get the proper programming and sports options in place. This would allow ppl who want to go there to go, but also allow time for them to get their act together.

With the upcoming middle school changes as well, it makes sense to delay the entire process a few years. Get all their ducks in order, have proper LOCAL research, polls and maps. Have committees from every school giving community feedback. Please FCPS, stop delegating this task to a bunch of 20 year boys from NYC who have no clue about anything outside of placing prompts into ChatGPT for ideas.

There’s still time for Reid and the school board to correct course and fix this disaster.

Oh no, that's a dumb idea. Just doubling down on idiocy.
Set logical boundaries for a traditional HS. No more opting in or opting out.

Logical would mean moving Franklin Farm to Skyview.

Franklin Farm homeowners made a website, rootedinoakton.com, even though their homes are in Herndon. Skyview is also in Herndon and is less than half the distance as Oakton. If they are rooted in anything, it is Herndon, hence their addresses. Making a website and raising pitchforks shouldn't cause illogical disruptions to more logical boundary maps just to appease these people. Perhaps it is time for them to put down their pitchforks and plant some new roots closer to home.

They should have e named school Oak Hill. Is RIO the reason they didn't? We're they sending a message? It was a popular choice, but did not make the cut for a vote. Why?

I asked this question in the naming process. They said Oak Hill was not considered as a name because of its historical roots as the name of a plantation. When I asked whether that meant that they should be renaming Oak Hill ES, I got told that they weren't going to do that with a rather sheepish look. I'm all for not glorifying or reinforcing the sins of the past, believe me, but Oak Hill is literally the name of the post office down the street. That's what the area is officially called. Seemed pretty silly to me.

It is very silly. I hope they don’t spend too much time studying up on Lord Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

The whole opt in and lack of desire to go there shows why it should be a magnet school....

Thats not true. They should have opened it when renovated with set boundaries and sports. Most kids deciding against it this year did it due to sports.

Agree. Since they’ve already opened in a half ass manner, perhaps the next few years can be opt in only until they give proper notice to communities and have time to get the proper programming and sports options in place. This would allow ppl who want to go there to go, but also allow time for them to get their act together.

With the upcoming middle school changes as well, it makes sense to delay the entire process a few years. Get all their ducks in order, have proper LOCAL research, polls and maps. Have committees from every school giving community feedback. Please FCPS, stop delegating this task to a bunch of 20 year boys from NYC who have no clue about anything outside of placing prompts into ChatGPT for ideas.

There’s still time for Reid and the school board to correct course and fix this disaster.

Oh no, that's a dumb idea. Just doubling down on idiocy.
Set logical boundaries for a traditional HS. No more opting in or opting out.

Logical would mean moving Franklin Farm to Skyview.

It would be nice for all of Franklin Farm to go to one high school. Right now kids in the neighborhood are split between Chantilly and Oakton.

Currently, Franklin Farm is split into three Elementary schools, two Middle schools, and two High schools. It doesn't make sense.

Bradley Farm is significantly smaller than Franklin Farm and is split into 3 elementary schools, 1 middle school, and 2 high schools. It's been that way since the last major boundary study, and it will more than likely remain that way. I guarantee you FCPS does not care about dividing up neighborhoods like Franklin Farm.

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Anonymous wrote:SLHS already has 150 or so students pupil place out to AP schools, not including TJ. Half of the rising 9th grade class out of FMES opted in to Skyview. They can keep FMES at SLHS and will watch as the number of kids pupil placing for AP and AI/Robotics/Aeronautical Engineering increases. If people are pupil placing for AP at Herndon, what do you think happens when the closest school is Skyview? So sure, keep FMES at SLHS, a large number of the kids will pupil place for AP to Skyview. The school board can accept that now and move FMES to Skyview or they can deal with more students bleeding out of SLHS for AP.

And there are Herndon families asking on FB and in other forums why they were not included in the Skyview Boundary process. Some of those kids who attend Hughes for AAP are going to find their way to Skyview for the specialty programs instead of IB at SLHS.

pretty soon those AAP kids from herndon will be back at herndon middle for AAP. and they may not get an option to pupil place to skyview

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Anonymous wrote:SLHS already has 150 or so students pupil place out to AP schools, not including TJ. Half of the rising 9th grade class out of FMES opted in to Skyview. They can keep FMES at SLHS and will watch as the number of kids pupil placing for AP and AI/Robotics/Aeronautical Engineering increases. If people are pupil placing for AP at Herndon, what do you think happens when the closest school is Skyview? So sure, keep FMES at SLHS, a large number of the kids will pupil place for AP to Skyview. The school board can accept that now and move FMES to Skyview or they can deal with more students bleeding out of SLHS for AP.

And there are Herndon families asking on FB and in other forums why they were not included in the Skyview Boundary process. Some of those kids who attend Hughes for AAP are going to find their way to Skyview for the specialty programs instead of IB at SLHS.

pretty soon those AAP kids from herndon will be back at herndon middle for AAP. and they may not get an option to pupil place to skyview

You can pupil place for specialty programs, which is how Lewis students pupil place at Edison.

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Anonymous wrote:SLHS already has 150 or so students pupil place out to AP schools, not including TJ. Half of the rising 9th grade class out of FMES opted in to Skyview. They can keep FMES at SLHS and will watch as the number of kids pupil placing for AP and AI/Robotics/Aeronautical Engineering increases. If people are pupil placing for AP at Herndon, what do you think happens when the closest school is Skyview? So sure, keep FMES at SLHS, a large number of the kids will pupil place for AP to Skyview. The school board can accept that now and move FMES to Skyview or they can deal with more students bleeding out of SLHS for AP.

And there are Herndon families asking on FB and in other forums why they were not included in the Skyview Boundary process. Some of those kids who attend Hughes for AAP are going to find their way to Skyview for the specialty programs instead of IB at SLHS.

pretty soon those AAP kids from herndon will be back at herndon middle for AAP. and they may not get an option to pupil place to skyview

You can pupil place for specialty programs, which is how Lewis students pupil place at Edison.

You can pupil place for some specialty programs but not others. It’s all at the whim of Gatehouse and which schools they are trying to prop up and which ones they are trying to tear down.

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what is RIO?

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.