Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

Lee's Corner neighborhoods are not closer to Westfield than Cub Run neighborhoods. And, Chantilly does not need to lose any more than that.
They will have to fill some from Centreville (which is overcrowded.)

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Anonymous wrote:In scenario 2, where they expand Westfield's bonudaries into Brookfield ES area, what is that little area that is carved out and "protected" still into Chantilly when the surrounding area gets moved?

It’s a business park and some open space (wetlands)?

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Anonymous wrote:In scenario 2, where they expand Westfield's bonudaries into Brookfield ES area, what is that little area that is carved out and "protected" still into Chantilly when the surrounding area gets moved?

Kind of looks like Iowa? I'm curious too.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time they will let South Lakes fall to 83% (~1867) or 81% utilization (~1822) from scenarios 2 and 3, and with the chunk they are losing being some of the higher performers from Fox Mill. The rest of South Lakes should be pitching a fit if they care about having advanced courses available to the remaining kids.
Also seems really strange they opt for scenario 2 and do nothing about Oakton being over capacity during a boundary review specifically to address overcrowding.

Absolutely agree with this. No way Meren is going to let this happen to South Lakes. They added a few neighborhoods from Floris to Fox Mill, my bet is they keep Fox Mill at SLHS.

Did Meren attend the meeting?

I presume she had already reviewed scenarios before they were presented to the public.

She did. I spoke with her afterward. She said the school board did not see the maps until they became public and that Reid could have saved herself a lot of headaches by showing them the maps for five minutes so they could tell her all the things that would piss people off. So safe to say, she’s not pleased.

Thank you for sharing this. I think it’s bananas that they didn’t show the maps to principals or school board members or literally anyone who knows the communities. FF gets sliced up in crazy ways that make no sense.

I live on Franklin Farm and not to doxx myself, but I live on the street directly across from Franklin that in Scenarios 1 and 3, would be zoned to Lees Corner and Westfield.

While Carson is right next to Skyview, Franklin is very close to Franklin Farm.

My kids walked there.

Sure it may not be the best middle school but because it’s down from us, maybe some students should still go there despite the implications of a multi-way feeder pattern.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

Lee's Corner neighborhoods are not closer to Westfield than Cub Run neighborhoods. And, Chantilly does not need to lose any more than that.
They will have to fill some from Centreville (which is overcrowded.)

Depends on which part of Lees Corner and which part of Cub Run you are mapping to Westfield. Pretty similar, so it makes sense that there are alternative scenarios moving one neighborhood and then the other. There's nothing "ridiculous" about the idea.

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Proposing Lees Corner be moved is a sensible suggestion in a world where they have to fill seats at Westfield. They are moving out half the kids zoned there, and LC is one of the closest areas to Westfield not already zoned to attend.

They should lobby FCPS the same way RIO did. It worked for RIO.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

Lee's Corner neighborhoods are not closer to Westfield than Cub Run neighborhoods. And, Chantilly does not need to lose any more than that.
They will have to fill some from Centreville (which is overcrowded.)

Depends on which part of Lees Corner and which part of Cub Run you are mapping to Westfield. Pretty similar, so it makes sense that there are alternative scenarios moving one neighborhood and then the other. There's nothing "ridiculous" about the idea.

Not similar at all. Please give an example. Some of Lee's Corner is five miles from Westfield and only about a mile from Chantilly.
Which part of Cub Run is 5 miles from Westfield and a mile from Chantilly?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

This. It's not perfect by any means, but it'll likely be the path of least resistance.

Scenario 2 but maybe the can figure it out with unnecessary chopping up of neighborhoods like Fox Mill.

It seems like they are moving some Fox Mill neighborhoods to make way for Floris neighborhoods?

Yes that's exactly what they're doing, they're swapping in bussed kids from Floris and moving out walkable Fox Mill folks. Stupidity and completely unecessary.

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I object!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

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The fact that in the slides they mentioned taking current in-progress construction into account, but nowhere did they mention the FCPS plan to make every middle school its own AAP center tells you how terrible of a job the consultants (and those who hired them) did in making these plans. They are essentially guaranteeing that people will need to be moved again soon. When you analyze these maps, also think about what will happen when the middle school you are assigned is overcrowded in a couple years and where you will end up then. Specifically, I'd say that Franklin won't have enough room and that Crossfield will get pushed back to Carson - which is further evidence they should be assigned to Skyview now.

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Anonymous wrote:If Gatehouse or anyone from the consultant is reading this, if you send Crossfield to Skyview, you MUST also send them to Carson. Look at the maps!! You can't have Crossfiedl be the only school at Franklin that goes to Skyview. It's already so unfair that we're the only ones actually zoned to Carson that go to Oakton. Don't do that to us again. It needs to be Crossfield-Carson-Skyview OR Crossfield-Franklin-Oakton. PLEASE ALIGN MIDDLE SCHOOLS TO HIGH SCHOOLS.

Crossfield should go to RC and Skyview.

I'm the person you're quoting. I'm fine with either option, but the middle schools need to be aligned. If they keep us at Oakton, then move us to Franklin. If they move us to Skyview, then keep us at Carson.

The Franklin Farms neighborhood that created the tree root website needs to just get over it. They are lucky they don't get redistricted to South Lakes. That neighborhood should be moved to Skyview, not moving Franklin Glen to Westfield - that is just ridiculous.

Exactly. This is actually the root of all the problems. They have someone’s ear and are being protected from being forced to Skyview which causes chaos for everyone else. They are trying to move around everyone else now to fill Skyview since they are leaving Franklin Farm alone for now.

I have told you all repeatedly that a Crossfield mom works at Gatehouse.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that in the slides they mentioned taking current in-progress construction into account, but nowhere did they mention the FCPS plan to make every middle school its own AAP center tells you how terrible of a job the consultants (and those who hired them) did in making these plans. They are essentially guaranteeing that people will need to be moved again soon. When you analyze these maps, also think about what will happen when the middle school you are assigned is overcrowded in a couple years and where you will end up then. Specifically, I'd say that Franklin won't have enough room and that Crossfield will get pushed back to Carson - which is further evidence they should be assigned to Skyview now.

FCPS has long had by far the worst facilities planning in the region by a long shot. Most people didn’t care as long as their own schools weren’t falling apart and they dismissed the critics as malcontents. It takes something like a boundary study to shine a light on just how bad these people are at their jobs. Of course, the outside consultants aren’t factoring relevant information into account, because the people in FCPS supervising them can barely tie their own shoe laces. H

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that in the slides they mentioned taking current in-progress construction into account, but nowhere did they mention the FCPS plan to make every middle school its own AAP center tells you how terrible of a job the consultants (and those who hired them) did in making these plans. They are essentially guaranteeing that people will need to be moved again soon. When you analyze these maps, also think about what will happen when the middle school you are assigned is overcrowded in a couple years and where you will end up then. Specifically, I'd say that Franklin won't have enough room and that Crossfield will get pushed back to Carson - which is further evidence they should be assigned to Skyview now.

+1 Crossfield should be assigned to Skyview as it is much closer than Oakton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

This. It's not perfect by any means, but it'll likely be the path of least resistance.

Scenario 2 but maybe the can figure it out with unnecessary chopping up of neighborhoods like Fox Mill.

This and fix the middle schools

They *can't* "fix the middle schools". The capacity doesn't line up. There will be split feeders 100%.

But they can go from MS with 4 HS to MS with 2 HS, which would be a huge improvement. It might not be ideal but it is better then the current situation.