Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:In scenario 2, where they expand Westfield's bonudaries into Brookfield ES area, what is that little area that is carved out and "protected" still into Chantilly when the surrounding area gets moved?

Kind of looks like Iowa? I'm curious too.

Thats walney oaks that mobilized to get moved to Rocky Run MS at the regular boundary meetings.

Oh my. Interesting because they are very close to Westfield--maybe even closer than to CHS-- and that section NEVER moves out of CHS under any scenario. Take notes on what they did, Angry Lees Corner Mama.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

FWIW, "the neighborhood closest to it" is Floris, and we 100% want to go there. Our community has been fighting to be included in the Skyview boundary since the school was purchased. 3 of the 4 original maps left parts of Floris out of Skyview, despite the fact that the schools its in the middle of our boundary. Keeping all of Floris — minus the small pockets they are proposing to carve out and send to Fox Mill for some unknown reason — in Skyview is one of the few reasonable things that these maps do, but it took a lot of work to get here.

They didn't keep all of Floris together, the new carve outs equate to nearly 25% of the school. They managed to mess this up again for no reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

I haven't heard boo from that area proposed to be moved from Centreville, so they will be moved. There's been example after example in the past where the squeaky wheel gets what that want, and that will happen here too with Lees Corner staying at Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

Is there a reason why they are moving a part of Virginia Run neighborhood very close to VRES to Bull Run, but also have kids going there who live all the way over by Route 50? That boundary doesn't make sense to me at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

I haven't heard boo from that area proposed to be moved from Centreville, so they will be moved. There's been example after example in the past where the squeaky wheel gets what that want, and that will happen here too with Lees Corner staying at Chantilly.

Yes, Centreville is a less wealthy area so I agree with you that will happen, but not because it makes sense, logically. Lees Corner IS much closer, by miles and time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

FWIW, "the neighborhood closest to it" is Floris, and we 100% want to go there. Our community has been fighting to be included in the Skyview boundary since the school was purchased. 3 of the 4 original maps left parts of Floris out of Skyview, despite the fact that the schools its in the middle of our boundary. Keeping all of Floris — minus the small pockets they are proposing to carve out and send to Fox Mill for some unknown reason — in Skyview is one of the few reasonable things that these maps do, but it took a lot of work to get here.

They didn't keep all of Floris together, the new carve outs equate to nearly 25% of the school. They managed to mess this up again for no reason.

With Scenarios 1&3 swapping in the McNair townhouses off Fox Mill for ???.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a reason why they are moving a part of Virginia Run neighborhood very close to VRES to Bull Run, but also have kids going there who live all the way over by Route 50? That boundary doesn't make sense to me at all.

Oh honey, you don't know the story?

There's a politician named Kathy Smith, who used to be on the School Board but has somehow maneuvered her way up higher.
She lived in the Poplar Tree neighborhood.

At the time, the only areas with full day Kindergarten had to be above a certain threshold for FARMs kids. There's a low income neighborhood called The Meadows over by Route 50. She got that neighborhood zoned to Poplar Tree for one year from Deer Park, used the poor kids to get full day kindergarten, then zoned them right back out to Virginia Run to keep Poplar Tree almost entirely wealthy students, now with full day Kindergarten. So those kids had to switch to three different schools in three years. She's a nasty piece of work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

FWIW, "the neighborhood closest to it" is Floris, and we 100% want to go there. Our community has been fighting to be included in the Skyview boundary since the school was purchased. 3 of the 4 original maps left parts of Floris out of Skyview, despite the fact that the schools its in the middle of our boundary. Keeping all of Floris — minus the small pockets they are proposing to carve out and send to Fox Mill for some unknown reason — in Skyview is one of the few reasonable things that these maps do, but it took a lot of work to get here.

They didn't keep all of Floris together, the new carve outs equate to nearly 25% of the school. They managed to mess this up again for no reason.

With Scenarios 1&3 swapping in the McNair townhouses off Fox Mill for ???.

They carved out several neighborhoods along both sides of Monroe St. out of Floris and are sending them to Fox Mill in Scenarios 1 & 3, it's a large chunk of Floris. Not sure what's being moved out of Fox Mill to make room though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Lees Corner just happens to be more centrally located than the neighborhood that is in the most southwest corner of the county. The fact is there are TWO high schools closer to Lees Corner than Westfield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a reason why they are moving a part of Virginia Run neighborhood very close to VRES to Bull Run, but also have kids going there who live all the way over by Route 50? That boundary doesn't make sense to me at all.

Oh honey, you don't know the story?

There's a politician named Kathy Smith, who used to be on the School Board but has somehow maneuvered her way up higher.
She lived in the Poplar Tree neighborhood.

At the time, the only areas with full day Kindergarten had to be above a certain threshold for FARMs kids. There's a low income neighborhood called The Meadows over by Route 50. She got that neighborhood zoned to Poplar Tree for one year from Deer Park, used the poor kids to get full day kindergarten, then zoned them right back out to Virginia Run to keep Poplar Tree almost entirely wealthy students, now with full day Kindergarten. So those kids had to switch to three different schools in three years. She's a nasty piece of work.

None of that addresses why a portion of the Virginia Run development is NOW being sliced off randomly. Not at a major road, geographical feature, or any other conceivable extenuating circumstance.

From last night’s meeting it sounds like the company just drew these boundaries without any consideration or understanding of actual developments or HOAs. Stellar work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Lees Corner just happens to be more centrally located than the neighborhood that is in the most southwest corner of the county. The fact is there are TWO high schools closer to Lees Corner than Westfield.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville? Its a yes or no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a reason why they are moving a part of Virginia Run neighborhood very close to VRES to Bull Run, but also have kids going there who live all the way over by Route 50? That boundary doesn't make sense to me at all.

Oh honey, you don't know the story?

There's a politician named Kathy Smith, who used to be on the School Board but has somehow maneuvered her way up higher.
She lived in the Poplar Tree neighborhood.

At the time, the only areas with full day Kindergarten had to be above a certain threshold for FARMs kids. There's a low income neighborhood called The Meadows over by Route 50. She got that neighborhood zoned to Poplar Tree for one year from Deer Park, used the poor kids to get full day kindergarten, then zoned them right back out to Virginia Run to keep Poplar Tree almost entirely wealthy students, now with full day Kindergarten. So those kids had to switch to three different schools in three years. She's a nasty piece of work.

None of that addresses why a portion of the Virginia Run development is NOW being sliced off randomly. Not at a major road, geographical feature, or any other conceivable extenuating circumstance.

From last night’s meeting it sounds like the company just drew these boundaries without any consideration or understanding of actual developments or HOAs. Stellar work.

I think that's the backstory on why VRES has such strange boundaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a reason why they are moving a part of Virginia Run neighborhood very close to VRES to Bull Run, but also have kids going there who live all the way over by Route 50? That boundary doesn't make sense to me at all.

This is one of the suggestions that make it so obvious the planners were just moving numbers around on a map with no understanding of neighborhoods.