Framing Britney Spears

[Anonymous]

I used to work on a specialized psychiatric unit where every few years a patient's parent would sadly be in the situation of going for medical guardianship for their adult child who was refusing treatment for severe anorexia (the sickest of the sick, those at documentable risk of sudden death). It was a very big thing...both for the hospital and the family. No one ever ever took it lightly, it was done with a serious sense of desperation regarding the gravity of the situation and there were of course, specific restraints and very specific guidelines in place for the patient. It is hard to believe that this same sense of gravity was not in place here over the many years she has had one. Among judges especially.

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Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

Maybe the issue is that she's not only a danger to herself, but a danger to others? She is able to headline a Vegas show, but maybe that's because of the medication and therapy she is taking? Maybe if she is left to her own devices that wouldn't be possible?

A conservatorship is not easy to get, nor is it easy to maintain for so many years. This conservatorship has been reviewed numerous times already. I find it hard to believe that everyone involved is doing something illegal and forcing this onto a competent person.

Actually they aren't that difficult to get--if she had doctors declare her incompetent and nobody objected.

I would guess that "Doctors" do not easily and eagerly want to go to court to declare someone incompetent. It's a big deal, they too understand agency and the profound importance of individual rights and autonomy. It is likely a last resort in a very difficult, desperate situation.

And I would guess that paying off the right people gets some unethical people exactly what they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to work on a specialized psychiatric unit where every few years a patient's parent would sadly be in the situation of going for medical guardianship for their adult child who was refusing treatment for severe anorexia (the sickest of the sick, those at documentable risk of sudden death). It was a very big thing...both for the hospital and the family. No one ever ever took it lightly, it was done with a serious sense of desperation regarding the gravity of the situation and there were of course, specific restraints and very specific guidelines in place for the patient. It is hard to believe that this same sense of gravity was not in place here over the many years she has had one. Among judges especially.

When the sickest of the sick are in medical guardianship, that is one thing and these are people who are generally low functioning. Brittany Spears isn’t in that category. Moreover, I think the courts are often motivated by deterring risk and liability versus doing what a person needs to be well, successful, healthy. Look at the criminalization of drugs and the role of courts in that.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is what confuses me about her working. I thought she actually has been on break from working for a few years? In other words, not currently coerced to work and choosing not to work. Reading her statement to the judge and putting the pieces together, it sounds like she was decompensating while she was still (probably) under contract in vegas. Hence her being told work or "get a lawyer" as she related to the judge. Like all celebrities, she was under contract to perform or could get sued no? Whether they did the right thing in patching her together with different treatments approaches to help her still work is debatable but the reality of her obligation to legally perform seems lost on her.

How was she competent enough to sign a huge, multimillion dollar contract but not competent enough to decide to get married or even choose the color of her kitchen cabinets?

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She didn't sign. She has a conservatorship.

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Anonymous wrote:She didn't sign. She has a conservatorship.

How did the conservator decide she was competent enough to enter into the obligations of a huge, multimillion dollar contract but not competent enough to decide to get married or even choose the color of her kitchen cabinets?

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Anonymous wrote:She didn't sign. She has a conservatorship.

How did the conservator decide she was competent enough to enter into the obligations of a huge, multimillion dollar contract but not competent enough to decide to get married or even choose the color of her kitchen cabinets?

She doesn’t her power if attorney does.

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Anonymous wrote:She didn't sign. She has a conservatorship.

How did the conservator decide she was competent enough to enter into the obligations of a huge, multimillion dollar contract but not competent enough to decide to get married or even choose the color of her kitchen cabinets?

She doesn’t her power if attorney does.

How did the individual(s) in charge of Britney decide she was competent enough to enter into the obligations of a huge, multimillion dollar contract but not competent enough to decide to get married or even choose the color of her kitchen cabinets?

[Anonymous]

I have worked with individuals with medical Powers of attorney and conservatorships who signed a book deals or art installation contracts for them

Just because someone is not 100% able to understand reality or handle finances or day-to-day living does not mean they are completely not functional or stop having skills or abilities.

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Anonymous wrote:I have worked with individuals with medical Powers of attorney and conservatorships who signed a book deals or art installation contracts for them

Just because someone is not 100% able to understand reality or handle finances or day-to-day living does not mean they are completely not functional or stop having skills or abilities.

Right, but then it becomes a fine line between slavery and indentured servitude. What Britney experience was indeed slavery. She honestly just needs to quit working completely and see who still has a vested interest in managing her affairs then. It's clear that her family's entire motivation is just money.

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Anonymous wrote:I have worked with individuals with medical Powers of attorney and conservatorships who signed a book deals or art installation contracts for them

Just because someone is not 100% able to understand reality or handle finances or day-to-day living does not mean they are completely not functional or stop having skills or abilities.

Have you worked with anyone under a conservatorship lasting over a decade who has signed multimillion dollar contracts and financially supported their entire family during that time?

Millions of Americans aren’t 100% able to understand reality or handle finances, but typically we don’t strip them of their rights.

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Anonymous wrote:I have worked with individuals with medical Powers of attorney and conservatorships who signed a book deals or art installation contracts for them

Just because someone is not 100% able to understand reality or handle finances or day-to-day living does not mean they are completely not functional or stop having skills or abilities.

Right, but then it becomes a fine line between slavery and indentured servitude. What Britney experience was indeed slavery. She honestly just needs to quit working completely and see who still has a vested interest in managing her affairs then. It's clear that her family's entire motivation is just money.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she is currently thinking along these lines. Hasn’t she said that she won’t work anymore until her dad is no longer her conservator?

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Anonymous wrote:I have worked with individuals with medical Powers of attorney and conservatorships who signed a book deals or art installation contracts for them

Just because someone is not 100% able to understand reality or handle finances or day-to-day living does not mean they are completely not functional or stop having skills or abilities.

Right, but then it becomes a fine line between slavery and indentured servitude. What Britney experience was indeed slavery. She honestly just needs to quit working completely and see who still has a vested interest in managing her affairs then. It's clear that her family's entire motivation is just money.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she is currently thinking along these lines. Hasn’t she said that she won’t work anymore until her dad is no longer her conservator?

And her dad isn't her conservator anymore. She's complaining but she's not making sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I have worked with individuals with medical Powers of attorney and conservatorships who signed a book deals or art installation contracts for them

Just because someone is not 100% able to understand reality or handle finances or day-to-day living does not mean they are completely not functional or stop having skills or abilities.

Right, but then it becomes a fine line between slavery and indentured servitude. What Britney experience was indeed slavery. She honestly just needs to quit working completely and see who still has a vested interest in managing her affairs then. It's clear that her family's entire motivation is just money.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she is currently thinking along these lines. Hasn’t she said that she won’t work anymore until her dad is no longer her conservator?

And her dad isn't her conservator anymore. She's complaining but she's not making sense.

Well, it sounds like she wants more changes than just swapping out her dad. Which is fair. She’s a person, not a show pony.

[Anonymous]

Her dad is no longer her conservator and has not been for quite a while