Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

Some stereotypes of TJ students and families

1. Cheaters and Preppers (or induce a culture of such).

Truth: The brightest do not cheat (by definition, they don't need to); the actual cheaters/heavy preppers do not make it that far. Obviously, TJ can do better in their tests and not repeat questions. I think a lot of kids at TJ would be pretty offended by this allegation.

2. From wealthy families.

Truth: The wealthiest families send their kids to privates, mostly. If they don't, they are happy at base schools where they have a lot of prestige (and get into great colleges) without needing to work like crazy; good for them!; the poorest families also do not attend TJ. And yes, TJ can work towards making that better, but it is an opportunity cost to have to come to a school every day from many miles away, so good luck getting the poorest to attend from that distance. Time is money too and is just worth a lot more to the poor.

3. All Asian

Truth: Very disrespectful to lump different ethnicities in one "Asian" breath. Take a look at a globe for a change. Asia is the biggest continent in the world; you should have learned this in Kindergarten.


These "Asians" are your future doctors, programmers, and your scientists. I would personally want to rely on the most capable for my health, cyber secrecy, and inventions. What about you? I don't mind seeing many more URMs in sports, movies/commercials, and politics than Asians. They are good at it. Many Asians voted for Obama because he was eloquent, not because they thought that a URM should be President.

That said, URMs having a chance to contribute more to STEM is good too. No denying that. But don't destroy (mostly Asian) kids' hard work, families, schools, racial relations, and localities to do so in one go! Slowly and steadily, bring URMs up all together when it comes to STEM, not other people down. The wealthiest and most privileged are not affected and do not care as long as they end up with a racial balance to their liking. They can say they fixed something, without actually having fixed anything. They are not going to magically have URMS outperform others in STEM, by putting some more of them in TJ with other random people. Lottery benefits the better-off the most (assuming the better-off are the majority in FCPS); they will populate TJ the most. That itself, is what is so crazy about this. It would be another thing, if they were sacrificing something real for the betterment of URMs. But they reap all the upside, while playing God with the lives of minorities and pitting them against one another, just because they have the power to do so. How many of these guys have a STEM background?

I do not have a STEM background. When I see my friends who are doctors and engineers, I feel sorry for them b/c they still have to pull long hours even when they are fairly advanced in their careers. Just maybe, their earnings reflect their hard work.

[Anonymous]

Stop obsessing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop obsessing.

Yes, everything will be all right at the end.

[Anonymous]

That’s a lot of words to say you don’t want URMs at TJ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of words to say you don’t want URMs at TJ

Being against lottery is not being against having URMs at TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop obsessing.

More like, the shtick of calling people ignorant in exchange for influence falls flat when the target is some of the smartest people in the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some stereotypes of TJ students and families

1. Cheaters and Preppers (or induce a culture of such).

Truth: The brightest do not cheat (by definition, they don't need to); the actual cheaters/heavy preppers do not make it that far. Obviously, TJ can do better in their tests and not repeat questions. I think a lot of kids at TJ would be pretty offended by this allegation.

2. From wealthy families.

Truth: The wealthiest families send their kids to privates, mostly. If they don't, they are happy at base schools where they have a lot of prestige (and get into great colleges) without needing to work like crazy; good for them!; the poorest families also do not attend TJ. And yes, TJ can work towards making that better, but it is an opportunity cost to have to come to a school every day from many miles away, so good luck getting the poorest to attend from that distance. Time is money too and is just worth a lot more to the poor.

3. All Asian

Truth: Very disrespectful to lump different ethnicities in one "Asian" breath. Take a look at a globe for a change. Asia is the biggest continent in the world; you should have learned this in Kindergarten.


These "Asians" are your future doctors, programmers, and your scientists. I would personally want to rely on the most capable for my health, cyber secrecy, and inventions. What about you? I don't mind seeing many more URMs in sports, movies/commercials, and politics than Asians. They are good at it. Many Asians voted for Obama because he was eloquent, not because they thought that a URM should be President.

That said, URMs having a chance to contribute more to STEM is good too. No denying that. But don't destroy (mostly Asian) kids' hard work, families, schools, racial relations, and localities to do so in one go! Slowly and steadily, bring URMs up all together when it comes to STEM, not other people down. The wealthiest and most privileged are not affected and do not care as long as they end up with a racial balance to their liking. They can say they fixed something, without actually having fixed anything. They are not going to magically have URMS outperform others in STEM, by putting some more of them in TJ with other random people. Lottery benefits the better-off the most (assuming the better-off are the majority in FCPS); they will populate TJ the most. That itself, is what is so crazy about this. It would be another thing, if they were sacrificing something real for the betterment of URMs. But they reap all the upside, while playing God with the lives of minorities and pitting them against one another, just because they have the power to do so. How many of these guys have a STEM background?

I do not have a STEM background. When I see my friends who are doctors and engineers, I feel sorry for them b/c they still have to pull long hours even when they are fairly advanced in their careers. Just maybe, their earnings reflect their hard work.

“Asian” cultures, in general, seem to possess values very similar to those that existed here in the US maybe about a century or more ago. That could be due to the fact that many Asians are fairly new immigrants here, similar to the mass immigration that took place more than a century ago. Overall, immigrants view life from a very different perspective than native born Americans. Some could even say many native born Americans are spoiled, we already have a decent life, without having to work too hard, many times thanks to our immigrant grandparents or great grandparents. Many seem to be content with what we have, no need to kill ourselves trying to succeed, our immigrant ancestors have done it for us. That being said though, there still remain many nonAsian Americans who are more than willing and able to become physicians, scientists, and programmers. We aren’t all lazy trust fund duds here or uninterested urms, despite the assumption.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some stereotypes of TJ students and families

1. Cheaters and Preppers (or induce a culture of such).

Truth: The brightest do not cheat (by definition, they don't need to); the actual cheaters/heavy preppers do not make it that far. Obviously, TJ can do better in their tests and not repeat questions. I think a lot of kids at TJ would be pretty offended by this allegation.

2. From wealthy families.

Truth: The wealthiest families send their kids to privates, mostly. If they don't, they are happy at base schools where they have a lot of prestige (and get into great colleges) without needing to work like crazy; good for them!; the poorest families also do not attend TJ. And yes, TJ can work towards making that better, but it is an opportunity cost to have to come to a school every day from many miles away, so good luck getting the poorest to attend from that distance. Time is money too and is just worth a lot more to the poor.

3. All Asian

Truth: Very disrespectful to lump different ethnicities in one "Asian" breath. Take a look at a globe for a change. Asia is the biggest continent in the world; you should have learned this in Kindergarten.


These "Asians" are your future doctors, programmers, and your scientists. I would personally want to rely on the most capable for my health, cyber secrecy, and inventions. What about you? I don't mind seeing many more URMs in sports, movies/commercials, and politics than Asians. They are good at it. Many Asians voted for Obama because he was eloquent, not because they thought that a URM should be President.

That said, URMs having a chance to contribute more to STEM is good too. No denying that. But don't destroy (mostly Asian) kids' hard work, families, schools, racial relations, and localities to do so in one go! Slowly and steadily, bring URMs up all together when it comes to STEM, not other people down. The wealthiest and most privileged are not affected and do not care as long as they end up with a racial balance to their liking. They can say they fixed something, without actually having fixed anything. They are not going to magically have URMS outperform others in STEM, by putting some more of them in TJ with other random people. Lottery benefits the better-off the most (assuming the better-off are the majority in FCPS); they will populate TJ the most. That itself, is what is so crazy about this. It would be another thing, if they were sacrificing something real for the betterment of URMs. But they reap all the upside, while playing God with the lives of minorities and pitting them against one another, just because they have the power to do so. How many of these guys have a STEM background?

I do not have a STEM background. When I see my friends who are doctors and engineers, I feel sorry for them b/c they still have to pull long hours even when they are fairly advanced in their careers. Just maybe, their earnings reflect their hard work.

This. End thread.

[Anonymous]

Asian immigrants chase whatever brass ring tells them is success. In FCPS, it's TJ. Go over to MCPS and they fight to get into the selective STEM magnet at Blair and even the IB magnet at Richard Montgomery.

It's admirable to some extent, and it's not their fault that FCPS designates a single school as a STEM magnet. What many don't seem to realize is that their success at a single school also sends a negative message to everyone else: you're not good enough, you're not smart enough, and you shouldn't be studying STEM, either.

There are a lot more people who'll be able to make a living in the future with a STEM background than playing for the NBA, so the local Asians really need to stop making those analogies about Asian under-representation in the NBA and the NFL if they want to be taken seriously. All that does is convey the message to others that they may be book-smart but have little empathy for others (i.e., have very low emotional IQs). That's not the American way and people who behave like that create their own glass ceilings.

And, then, it's up to the county to do what best meets the educational needs of all the kids in the county, and not just the top Asian students, both at TJ and in FCPS more broadly. Hopefully they can do that without denigrating the importance of STEM education. If a good STEM education can only be found at one high school, that's a much larger indictment of the system that itself ought to warrant fundamental change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you don’t want to share the benefits of TJ then just go start your own private segregated school.

The benefits are mostly the student body. Their abilities, their hard work, their dedication, their drive to get there and their their drive to succeed.

How do you share that? You change the student body, you change the benefits.

Turn it into a lottery where you just need to pass Algebra and have a 3.5 gpa to be entered, you get the winning ticket, make the long trek to school every morning and then what? How bad do you want to be there? How much to you want to work to make it? How about your classmates?

This is correct - the main benefit of attending TJ is the student population, and with lottery admissions as proposed, that benefit will disappear. The school was renowned even when it was a dump, and its broken windows, leaking roof, etc. were the topic of a story in the WSJ or NYT or Wash Post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian immigrants chase whatever brass ring tells them is success. In FCPS, it's TJ. Go over to MCPS and they fight to get into the selective STEM magnet at Blair and even the IB magnet at Richard Montgomery.

It's admirable to some extent, and it's not their fault that FCPS designates a single school as a STEM magnet. What many don't seem to realize is that their success at a single school also sends a negative message to everyone else: you're not good enough, you're not smart enough, and you shouldn't be studying STEM, either.

There are a lot more people who'll be able to make a living in the future with a STEM background than playing for the NBA, so the local Asians really need to stop making those analogies about Asian under-representation in the NBA and the NFL if they want to be taken seriously. All that does is convey the message to others that they may be book-smart but have little empathy for others (i.e., have very low emotional IQs). That's not the American way and people who behave like that create their own glass ceilings.

And, then, it's up to the county to do what best meets the educational needs of all the kids in the county, and not just the top Asian students, both at TJ and in FCPS more broadly. Hopefully they can do that without denigrating the importance of STEM education. If a good STEM education can only be found at one high school, that's a much larger indictment of the system that itself ought to warrant fundamental change.

If they water down TJ base schools will have higher STEM education via higher caliber students in the top sections than at TJ

TJ is for the top 1-2% of STEM focused kids period. All this focus on race and class has nothing to do with anything except some utopian worldview pushed out of woke education colleges that if the population doesn't match society something must be wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asian immigrants chase whatever brass ring tells them is success. In FCPS, it's TJ. Go over to MCPS and they fight to get into the selective STEM magnet at Blair and even the IB magnet at Richard Montgomery.

It's admirable to some extent, and it's not their fault that FCPS designates a single school as a STEM magnet. What many don't seem to realize is that their success at a single school also sends a negative message to everyone else: you're not good enough, you're not smart enough, and you shouldn't be studying STEM, either.

There are a lot more people who'll be able to make a living in the future with a STEM background than playing for the NBA, so the local Asians really need to stop making those analogies about Asian under-representation in the NBA and the NFL if they want to be taken seriously. All that does is convey the message to others that they may be book-smart but have little empathy for others (i.e., have very low emotional IQs). That's not the American way and people who behave like that create their own glass ceilings.

And, then, it's up to the county to do what best meets the educational needs of all the kids in the county, and not just the top Asian students, both at TJ and in FCPS more broadly. Hopefully they can do that without denigrating the importance of STEM education. If a good STEM education can only be found at one high school, that's a much larger indictment of the system that itself ought to warrant fundamental change.

If they water down TJ base schools will have higher STEM education via higher caliber students in the top sections than at TJ

TJ is for the top 1-2% of STEM focused kids period. All this focus on race and class has nothing to do with anything except some utopian worldview pushed out of woke education colleges that if the population doesn't match society something must be wrong.

You make it sound like it wasn’t a random decision to set up a STEM magnet in the first place. It was - had there not been a temporary dip in enrollment in eastern Fairfax in the mid-80s we’d still just have a Jefferson High.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crybabies. Figure it out.

- A Jew (we’re also not good at sports, but have figured out how to be represented across the board in industries that don’t require physical prowess)

Dude, you’re white.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crybabies. Figure it out.

- A Jew (we’re also not good at sports, but have figured out how to be represented across the board in industries that don’t require physical prowess)

Dude, you’re white.

Jews came to America 4-5 decades prior to Asians. Asians will indeed figure it out through hard work and sacrifice just as the Jews did.

I’m from NY and many of my friends were Jewish. Asians and Jews have similar values.