Discrimination against Asians

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Anonymous wrote:Because Arlington has a lottery school that is highly regarded and functions quite well with about 10% of the drama of TJ.

I am sick of watching TJ suck up all the oxygen in FCPS in terms of attention, accolades, controversy, and half-baked plans to restructure. Nothing else gets done and we’re supposed to believe the future of the Republic rises or falls with the fate of one school and whether it ends up 35% or 75% Asian.

Some differences: HB Woodlawn starts in middle school and is not STEM-focused. Also Whites make up 61% of student body compared to 47% in Arlington County even though it is a lottery. That should give you a glimpse of what will happen if you implement a lottery for TJ.

Or, perhaps the over-representation of whites at HB reflects the fact that it's not STEM-focused.

Either way the obsession with TJ on the part of both the School Board and a large segment of the Asian community is tiresome. It's like nothing else and no one else matters.

It is because it has a lot of symbolism. Meritocracy vs. not. Asian vs. White. It is actually a hotter topic at Stuyvesant, which garners national attention.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-asian-americans-feel-powerless-in-the-battle-over-new-yorks-elite-high-schools

That's only because Stuyvesant gets covered in the New Yorker and The New York Times, and people pay less attention to the Washington Post.

The anti-diversity groups are doing everything they can to use the lottery proposal at TJ as a wedge to push Asians further right before the fall election.

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2020/10/19/thomas-jefferson-high-school-wants-fewer-asians/

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Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious. I know plenty of unsuccessful over educated people from very impressive schools. You can't buy it with a label for your kid.

There are unsuccessful people from all different backgrounds. My point was just that many well educated elite families send their children to private schools. I’m sure many of these kids could get into TJ and do well there. These families just choose private. It is just an observation.

Do Asians face discrimination in entry into private schools? Or are the low percentages reflective of something else?

Wealth. Many URMs can get financial aid. Asians are not too rich, nor too poor.

Again, Asians are at the sweet spot. Nothing to gain by privilege and nothing to gain by affirmative action. I would work like crazy. Wait - they don't want you to work too hard, either.

I’m the pp from upthread who said that in our circles, the elite white tend to send their kids to private. We also know plenty of Asians who also send their kids to private school. DH and I were children of poor immigrants. We now have a seven figure income that we worked very hard to earn. We don’t want our kids to be surrounded by only rich kids. That is just us and our preference. Pretty much all our professional colleagues are white and send their kids to private. They wonder and have straight up asked us why we send our kids to public schools. Guess it seems odd to them since they know that we are their equals and they can’t understand why we wouldn’t send kids to private when we can obviously afford it.

DP but our experience has been the same. We are second generation immigrants and deemed financially successful (took a lot of hard work, luck, going to good colleges, getting post-graduate degrees and being in lucrative professions). Most of our white friends and colleagues send their kids to private. We also felt that we wanted our kids to be surrounded by kids from diverse backgrounds (although that in itself is a bit of a misnomer given the area we are in) so we decided to send our kids to public schools. My sense is that our friends who send their kids to private do so not only for the academics but also for relationship-building, which is really important (for parents and kids as they grow up) if you are in fields like banking, politics, law and even in medicine. We go back-and-forth about private vs public.

Pp here. We are in the exact same boat. Sometimes I wonder if I am doing my children a disservice by sending them to public school. They are thriving for now in the FCPS AAP program, have a strong peer group, play sports and generally well rounded. We live in Mclean so our public school itself has all professionals. There are plenty of Harvard Law, HBS, MIT types although I am sure far less than St Albans or Potomac.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because Arlington has a lottery school that is highly regarded and functions quite well with about 10% of the drama of TJ.

I am sick of watching TJ suck up all the oxygen in FCPS in terms of attention, accolades, controversy, and half-baked plans to restructure. Nothing else gets done and we’re supposed to believe the future of the Republic rises or falls with the fate of one school and whether it ends up 35% or 75% Asian.

Some differences: HB Woodlawn starts in middle school and is not STEM-focused. Also Whites make up 61% of student body compared to 47% in Arlington County even though it is a lottery. That should give you a glimpse of what will happen if you implement a lottery for TJ.

Or, perhaps the over-representation of whites at HB reflects the fact that it's not STEM-focused.

Either way the obsession with TJ on the part of both the School Board and a large segment of the Asian community is tiresome. It's like nothing else and no one else matters.

It is because it has a lot of symbolism. Meritocracy vs. not. Asian vs. White. It is actually a hotter topic at Stuyvesant, which garners national attention.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-asian-americans-feel-powerless-in-the-battle-over-new-yorks-elite-high-schools

That's only because Stuyvesant gets covered in the New Yorker and The New York Times, and people pay less attention to the Washington Post.

The anti-diversity groups are doing everything they can to use the lottery proposal at TJ as a wedge to push Asians further right before the fall election.

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2020/10/19/thomas-jefferson-high-school-wants-fewer-asians/

The NYC Stuyvesant case is super galling as Asians in NYC have historically been the poorest racial group. Yet they still felt the need to suppress their numbers for... reasons.

One would think a city should celebrate the success of a poor minority. Instead, Asians were doing too well, so they decided to upend the system to make it harder for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious. I know plenty of unsuccessful over educated people from very impressive schools. You can't buy it with a label for your kid.

There are unsuccessful people from all different backgrounds. My point was just that many well educated elite families send their children to private schools. I’m sure many of these kids could get into TJ and do well there. These families just choose private. It is just an observation.

Do Asians face discrimination in entry into private schools? Or are the low percentages reflective of something else?

Wealth. Many URMs can get financial aid. Asians are not too rich, nor too poor.

Again, Asians are at the sweet spot. Nothing to gain by privilege and nothing to gain by affirmative action. I would work like crazy. Wait - they don't want you to work too hard, either.

I’m the pp from upthread who said that in our circles, the elite white tend to send their kids to private. We also know plenty of Asians who also send their kids to private school. DH and I were children of poor immigrants. We now have a seven figure income that we worked very hard to earn. We don’t want our kids to be surrounded by only rich kids. That is just us and our preference. Pretty much all our professional colleagues are white and send their kids to private. They wonder and have straight up asked us why we send our kids to public schools. Guess it seems odd to them since they know that we are their equals and they can’t understand why we wouldn’t send kids to private when we can obviously afford it.

DP but our experience has been the same. We are second generation immigrants and deemed financially successful (took a lot of hard work, luck, going to good colleges, getting post-graduate degrees and being in lucrative professions). Most of our white friends and colleagues send their kids to private. We also felt that we wanted our kids to be surrounded by kids from diverse backgrounds (although that in itself is a bit of a misnomer given the area we are in) so we decided to send our kids to public schools. My sense is that our friends who send their kids to private do so not only for the academics but also for relationship-building, which is really important (for parents and kids as they grow up) if you are in fields like banking, politics, law and even in medicine. We go back-and-forth about private vs public.

Pp here. We are in the exact same boat. Sometimes I wonder if I am doing my children a disservice by sending them to public school. They are thriving for now in the FCPS AAP program, have a strong peer group, play sports and generally well rounded. We live in Mclean so our public school itself has all professionals. There are plenty of Harvard Law, HBS, MIT types although I am sure far less than St Albans or Potomac.

This is DP in post above. Yes, exactly. We are also in McLean. It's a first class dilemma but a meaningful one nonetheless. I think what gets lost in some of these school debates is that it really takes connections, relationships and EQ (as much as IQ) to be successful and go up the ranks after school. Otherwise, you are just viewed as a technician. I think people who send their kids to private schools are very much aware of that.

[Anonymous]

Why not just set aside 5-10 extra spots for underrepresented minorities each year and call it a day? TJ is a highly intense STEM school. It is not for everyone. I am not sure if I would want any of my children to go there but I would not them deprived of the opportunity based on an arbitrary scheme.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not just set aside 5-10 extra spots for underrepresented minorities each year and call it a day? TJ is a highly intense STEM school. It is not for everyone. I am not sure if I would want any of my children to go there but I would not them deprived of the opportunity based on an arbitrary scheme.

New proposal that has subjective criteria to pick top 100 and rest 400 coming from lottery is even more flakey. Now this is explicitly social engineering of the school. What a waste of time and energy. Making the whole process even more confusing so there is even more controversy.

Ughh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not just set aside 5-10 extra spots for underrepresented minorities each year and call it a day? TJ is a highly intense STEM school. It is not for everyone. I am not sure if I would want any of my children to go there but I would not them deprived of the opportunity based on an arbitrary scheme.

New proposal that has subjective criteria to pick top 100 and rest 400 coming from lottery is even more flakey. Now this is explicitly social engineering of the school. What a waste of time and energy. Making the whole process even more confusing so there is even more controversy.

Ughh.

I still think no lottery component is good idea. At least picking by subjective criteria, one can say you are trying to pick the best. Obviously Asians will be discriminated against, but nothing new. See Harvard and Yale.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not just set aside 5-10 extra spots for underrepresented minorities each year and call it a day? TJ is a highly intense STEM school. It is not for everyone. I am not sure if I would want any of my children to go there but I would not them deprived of the opportunity based on an arbitrary scheme.

New proposal that has subjective criteria to pick top 100 and rest 400 coming from lottery is even more flakey. Now this is explicitly social engineering of the school. What a waste of time and energy. Making the whole process even more confusing so there is even more controversy.

Ughh.

I don't get what the big deal is. It's not like there is some vocal black and hispanic group complaining that their kids didn't get into TJ. This is all manufactured woke/SJW bs outrage by people with no skin in the game aka kids that are close to applying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not just set aside 5-10 extra spots for underrepresented minorities each year and call it a day? TJ is a highly intense STEM school. It is not for everyone. I am not sure if I would want any of my children to go there but I would not them deprived of the opportunity based on an arbitrary scheme.

New proposal that has subjective criteria to pick top 100 and rest 400 coming from lottery is even more flakey. Now this is explicitly social engineering of the school. What a waste of time and energy. Making the whole process even more confusing so there is even more controversy.

Ughh.

They will take a look at the 400, then match the 100 so that they aren’t too far from the 400 in order to avoid a caste system. They will add a few URMs in case the lottery didn’t catch them. Mission accomplished. Unless, of course, URMs don’t apply to begin with.

[Anonymous]

I wonder what happens if TJ had 70% Black students instead of Asian students. Will SJW start to protest?
Students from African immigrants families are doing really well in the US. They could take over many seats in TJ if there are more of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not just set aside 5-10 extra spots for underrepresented minorities each year and call it a day? TJ is a highly intense STEM school. It is not for everyone. I am not sure if I would want any of my children to go there but I would not them deprived of the opportunity based on an arbitrary scheme.

New proposal that has subjective criteria to pick top 100 and rest 400 coming from lottery is even more flakey. Now this is explicitly social engineering of the school. What a waste of time and energy. Making the whole process even more confusing so there is even more controversy.

Ughh.

They will take a look at the 400, then match the 100 so that they aren’t too far from the 400 in order to avoid a caste system. They will add a few URMs in case the lottery didn’t catch them. Mission accomplished. Unless, of course, URMs don’t apply to begin with.

I wonder what their target Asian percentage is:

A. 50% (and Whites 30%)
B. 40% (and Whites 40%)
C. 30% (and Whites 50%)


My guess is B or C. The 100 students will a dial to achieve this.

[Anonymous]

https://coalitionfortj.net

Pacific Legal Foundation just sent a strong letter to FCPS with a warning of a possible lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not just set aside 5-10 extra spots for underrepresented minorities each year and call it a day? TJ is a highly intense STEM school. It is not for everyone. I am not sure if I would want any of my children to go there but I would not them deprived of the opportunity based on an arbitrary scheme.

You will still end up with the situation where students who have done less well, gets admitted ahead of people who did better. Why is "underrepresented minorities" such a bad thing? Asians are under-represented in entertainment, politics, and professional sports. Are these problems that need rectifying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://coalitionfortj.net

Pacific Legal Foundation just sent a strong letter to FCPS with a warning of a possible lawsuit.

I don’t know how in 2020, a school system can be so blatantly racist against a racial group and it be constitutional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://coalitionfortj.net

Pacific Legal Foundation just sent a strong letter to FCPS with a warning of a possible lawsuit.

I don’t know how in 2020, a school system can be so blatantly racist against a racial group and it be constitutional.

Feudal systems have been around well before you or I have ever been born. People have been advocated for belief over hard facts for ages. Just look at it as a sign that FCPS has been dedicating itself to the classics.