Game of Thrones

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to know I am not the only one having trouble with the High Sparrow plot line. What is it they want the Queen & her brother to confess or do or say anyways? Could it all have been some elaborate scheme by the last queen to gain control again?

That is exactly what it was, though Cersei (former queen, mother of current king) lost control of her scheme.

The High Sparrow gained a following because the common people of Westeros were losing everything because of the war. Their towns are sacked, crops stolen, women raped, all because of the War of the 5 Kings. The High Sparrow traveled the countryside collecting followers by helping them, and by denouncing the war as unholy. Eventually they make it to King's Landing where they amass even more followers.

Cersei goes to talk to the High Sparrow, intending to stop him from spreading dissent and organizing the common people. Instead, she senses an opportunity to rid herself of Margery and gain control of King's Landing again. She revives an old order known as the Faith Militant and gives them equal power as the crown and tells the High Sparrow all about the sins of the Tyrells, making up stories about Margery's lack of virtue and confirming that Loras is gay. The Faith arrests both Margery and Loras, but then the High Sparrow has Cersei arrested as well because she fornicated with her brother, committing incest as well as adultery, and she gets tossed in the hoosegow as well.

Cersei is now aligning herself with the Tyrells since they have an army (remember the crown does not have an army, just the kingsguard and the city watch) and can stop the High Sparrow. I'm sure she has something in her back pocket to take them out when this is all over though.

Why don't they have an army anymore?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to know I am not the only one having trouble with the High Sparrow plot line. What is it they want the Queen & her brother to confess or do or say anyways? Could it all have been some elaborate scheme by the last queen to gain control again?

That is exactly what it was, though Cersei (former queen, mother of current king) lost control of her scheme.

The High Sparrow gained a following because the common people of Westeros were losing everything because of the war. Their towns are sacked, crops stolen, women raped, all because of the War of the 5 Kings. The High Sparrow traveled the countryside collecting followers by helping them, and by denouncing the war as unholy. Eventually they make it to King's Landing where they amass even more followers.

Cersei goes to talk to the High Sparrow, intending to stop him from spreading dissent and organizing the common people. Instead, she senses an opportunity to rid herself of Margery and gain control of King's Landing again. She revives an old order known as the Faith Militant and gives them equal power as the crown and tells the High Sparrow all about the sins of the Tyrells, making up stories about Margery's lack of virtue and confirming that Loras is gay. The Faith arrests both Margery and Loras, but then the High Sparrow has Cersei arrested as well because she fornicated with her brother, committing incest as well as adultery, and she gets tossed in the hoosegow as well.

Cersei is now aligning herself with the Tyrells since they have an army (remember the crown does not have an army, just the kingsguard and the city watch) and can stop the High Sparrow. I'm sure she has something in her back pocket to take them out when this is all over though.

Why don't they have an army anymore?

They never had an army. The crown doesn't have an army. Only the individual houses have armies made of bannermen loyal to their houses, hence why the alliances/bending the knee/swearing fealty are so important. The crown needs armies and money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised that the High Sparrow is being so cruel to Margaery. She was the one who gave so much food and charity to the poor. Remember how they used to call out her name in the streets? She was loved by the poor.

Zealot

Yes, but she could have been an ally for him since she already had a caring heart.

But she didn't have a caring heart. Giving out food was a calculated move on her part. She wasn't doing it to be nice, she was doing it because she saw how much the people hated Cersei and she wanted them to love her and this was how she was manipulating Joffrey into wanting her to be Queen.

[Anonymous]

I hope Sansa kills Ramsay. I can't stand him much longer. I cannot watch him torture any more people. I was really sad that he killed Osha.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to know I am not the only one having trouble with the High Sparrow plot line. What is it they want the Queen & her brother to confess or do or say anyways? Could it all have been some elaborate scheme by the last queen to gain control again?

That is exactly what it was, though Cersei (former queen, mother of current king) lost control of her scheme.

The High Sparrow gained a following because the common people of Westeros were losing everything because of the war. Their towns are sacked, crops stolen, women raped, all because of the War of the 5 Kings. The High Sparrow traveled the countryside collecting followers by helping them, and by denouncing the war as unholy. Eventually they make it to King's Landing where they amass even more followers.

Cersei goes to talk to the High Sparrow, intending to stop him from spreading dissent and organizing the common people. Instead, she senses an opportunity to rid herself of Margery and gain control of King's Landing again. She revives an old order known as the Faith Militant and gives them equal power as the crown and tells the High Sparrow all about the sins of the Tyrells, making up stories about Margery's lack of virtue and confirming that Loras is gay. The Faith arrests both Margery and Loras, but then the High Sparrow has Cersei arrested as well because she fornicated with her brother, committing incest as well as adultery, and she gets tossed in the hoosegow as well.

Cersei is now aligning herself with the Tyrells since they have an army (remember the crown does not have an army, just the kingsguard and the city watch) and can stop the High Sparrow. I'm sure she has something in her back pocket to take them out when this is all over though.

Why don't they have an army anymore?

They never had an army. The crown doesn't have an army. Only the individual houses have armies made of bannermen loyal to their houses, hence why the alliances/bending the knee/swearing fealty are so important. The crown needs armies and money.

But the Lannisters do have an army. So why use the Tyrell army -- risking bringing it into the city -- as opposed to the Lannister army? In the books at leaat, I thnk the Lannister army is largely depleted and/or fighting in the Riverlands (they still haven't taken over the Tully castle of Riverrun), the family is not as rich (anymore) as the Tyrells, and Kevan Lannister (the hand of the King) + the King promised not to use its army against the Faith Militant. Or am I missing something? And is this a trap by Cersei for the Tyrells -- having them take on the Faith Militant and incurring the wrath of the people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tommen is a weak little boy (even younger in the books) being thrown about by others -- much like Sansa in the first few seasons. He is easily controlled by others -- his grandfather, his mother, his wife, the High Sparrow. His cat. His ending will not be happy.

And too much male sniveling in this episode. Loras, the Khals, Jon Snow (who still knows nothing), Reek, Royce, the little Arryn.

But I did love Brienne telling it like it is to Davos and Melisandre. "Stannis? Dead."

Tommen is also inbred and probably has a screw loose.

LOL his cat...

I might need to read the books just to read the cat stories.

Ser Pounce! http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ser_Pounce

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to know I am not the only one having trouble with the High Sparrow plot line. What is it they want the Queen & her brother to confess or do or say anyways? Could it all have been some elaborate scheme by the last queen to gain control again?

That is exactly what it was, though Cersei (former queen, mother of current king) lost control of her scheme.

The High Sparrow gained a following because the common people of Westeros were losing everything because of the war. Their towns are sacked, crops stolen, women raped, all because of the War of the 5 Kings. The High Sparrow traveled the countryside collecting followers by helping them, and by denouncing the war as unholy. Eventually they make it to King's Landing where they amass even more followers.

Cersei goes to talk to the High Sparrow, intending to stop him from spreading dissent and organizing the common people. Instead, she senses an opportunity to rid herself of Margery and gain control of King's Landing again. She revives an old order known as the Faith Militant and gives them equal power as the crown and tells the High Sparrow all about the sins of the Tyrells, making up stories about Margery's lack of virtue and confirming that Loras is gay. The Faith arrests both Margery and Loras, but then the High Sparrow has Cersei arrested as well because she fornicated with her brother, committing incest as well as adultery, and she gets tossed in the hoosegow as well.

Cersei is now aligning herself with the Tyrells since they have an army (remember the crown does not have an army, just the kingsguard and the city watch) and can stop the High Sparrow. I'm sure she has something in her back pocket to take them out when this is all over though.

Why don't they have an army anymore?

They never had an army. The crown doesn't have an army. Only the individual houses have armies made of bannermen loyal to their houses, hence why the alliances/bending the knee/swearing fealty are so important. The crown needs armies and money.

But the Lannisters do have an army. So why use the Tyrell army -- risking bringing it into the city -- as opposed to the Lannister army? In the books at leaat, I thnk the Lannister army is largely depleted and/or fighting in the Riverlands (they still haven't taken over the Tully castle of Riverrun), the family is not as rich (anymore) as the Tyrells, and Kevan Lannister (the hand of the King) + the King promised not to use its army against the Faith Militant. Or am I missing something? And is this a trap by Cersei for the Tyrells -- having them take on the Faith Militant and incurring the wrath of the people?

This (bolded) is my concern; I fear that Cersei is trying to eliminate the Tyrells, and I hope Olenna is smart enough not to be tricked by Cersei. The show version of Cersei is less despicable and much smarter (IMO) than the book Cersei. As a reader of the books, I am ready for Cersei to go down (the walk of shame was not enough).

[Anonymous]

I loved the reunion of Jon and Sansa, but the moments of the night belonged to Tormund and Brienne. His reaction to her was priceless.

Dani burnin down the house also awesome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tommen is a weak little boy (even younger in the books) being thrown about by others -- much like Sansa in the first few seasons. He is easily controlled by others -- his grandfather, his mother, his wife, the High Sparrow. His cat. His ending will not be happy.

And too much male sniveling in this episode. Loras, the Khals, Jon Snow (who still knows nothing), Reek, Royce, the little Arryn.

But I did love Brienne telling it like it is to Davos and Melisandre. "Stannis? Dead."

Tommen is also inbred and probably has a screw loose.

LOL his cat...

I might need to read the books just to read the cat stories.

Ser Pounce! http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ser_Pounce

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I loved the reunion of Jon and Sansa, but the moments of the night belonged to Tormund and Brienne. His reaction to her was priceless.

Dani burnin down the house also awesome.

I'm a PP who is struggling with the believability factor of the High Sparrow plot line. This previous post that I quoted above reminded me of something else I had a hard time with last night. Tormund gladly offered up his army of 2,000 just to help Jon Snow (who is stepping down from role of Lord commander, mind you) and his little half sister (who Tormund never met before) save their little brother who is being held prisoner. I think Tormund and his people have bigger and better issues on their hands.

[Anonymous]

Tormund wouldn't have an army of 2000 if Jon Snow didn't save the Widlings. Pretty good reason to return a favor now

[Anonymous]

And the Wildlings now live south of the wall...where Ramsey could come get fhem

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I loved the reunion of Jon and Sansa, but the moments of the night belonged to Tormund and Brienne. His reaction to her was priceless.

Dani burnin down the house also awesome.

I'm a PP who is struggling with the believability factor of the High Sparrow plot line. This previous post that I quoted above reminded me of something else I had a hard time with last night. Tormund gladly offered up his army of 2,000 just to help Jon Snow (who is stepping down from role of Lord commander, mind you) and his little half sister (who Tormund never met before) save their little brother who is being held prisoner. I think Tormund and his people have bigger and better issues on their hands.

But the letter from Ramsey specifically states that he will kill the wildings Jon let through the Wall. That gives Tormund a stake in this. And I think at this point we are supposed to see that Tormund does have some loyalty to Jon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to know I am not the only one having trouble with the High Sparrow plot line. What is it they want the Queen & her brother to confess or do or say anyways? Could it all have been some elaborate scheme by the last queen to gain control again?

That is exactly what it was, though Cersei (former queen, mother of current king) lost control of her scheme.

The High Sparrow gained a following because the common people of Westeros were losing everything because of the war. Their towns are sacked, crops stolen, women raped, all because of the War of the 5 Kings. The High Sparrow traveled the countryside collecting followers by helping them, and by denouncing the war as unholy. Eventually they make it to King's Landing where they amass even more followers.

Cersei goes to talk to the High Sparrow, intending to stop him from spreading dissent and organizing the common people. Instead, she senses an opportunity to rid herself of Margery and gain control of King's Landing again. She revives an old order known as the Faith Militant and gives them equal power as the crown and tells the High Sparrow all about the sins of the Tyrells, making up stories about Margery's lack of virtue and confirming that Loras is gay. The Faith arrests both Margery and Loras, but then the High Sparrow has Cersei arrested as well because she fornicated with her brother, committing incest as well as adultery, and she gets tossed in the hoosegow as well.

Cersei is now aligning herself with the Tyrells since they have an army (remember the crown does not have an army, just the kingsguard and the city watch) and can stop the High Sparrow. I'm sure she has something in her back pocket to take them out when this is all over though.

Why don't they have an army anymore?

They never had an army. The crown doesn't have an army. Only the individual houses have armies made of bannermen loyal to their houses, hence why the alliances/bending the knee/swearing fealty are so important. The crown needs armies and money.

But the Lannisters do have an army. So why use the Tyrell army -- risking bringing it into the city -- as opposed to the Lannister army? In the books at leaat, I thnk the Lannister army is largely depleted and/or fighting in the Riverlands (they still haven't taken over the Tully castle of Riverrun), the family is not as rich (anymore) as the Tyrells, and Kevan Lannister (the hand of the King) + the King promised not to use its army against the Faith Militant. Or am I missing something? And is this a trap by Cersei for the Tyrells -- having them take on the Faith Militant and incurring the wrath of the people?

Cersei doesn't control that army, though. Uncle Kevan controls the Lannister army, because he holds Castlerly Rock. Tommen could call it up, but Tommen is weak and won't do it.

Olenna has the authority to call up the Tyrell's. She is the de facto head of her house, especially with Loras in prison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope Sansa kills Ramsay. I can't stand him much longer. I cannot watch him torture any more people. I was really sad that he killed Osha.

Me too. Or Theon killing him would work for me too.