Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

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Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

In this case, which school neighborhood should zone to Crown HS?

Crown neighborhood, QO, RM, whatever left is overcrowded

Neighborhoods near Crown are currently zoned for Wootton. Makes sense to include it.

No that is only a bunch of townhouses and maybe some apartments. Not enough to play with Wooton. They should go to crown they are in waking distance but to take Stonemill out of wooton one of its largest feeders is stupid logistics. Wooton is under enrolled.

All four options added the whole Wayside ES to Wootton, so Wootton is not under-enrolled when that happens. Wayside doesn't want to go to Wootton anyways. They should leave both Churchill and Wootton alone.

100%. Leave them both alone! The overcapacity at Churchill is a bunch of bologna. My neighbors go there and say they don’t think it’s overcrowded at all. In fact it’s got like 50 more kids than it did a few years ago when there were no portables. Was just fine then!

Wootton/Churchill people please sign this petition to keep Wayside in Churchill which could help keep Wootton intact.
https://chng.it/SNLndcftLR

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Anonymous wrote:This is hands-down my favorite option! If only I could cast a vote for it right now—or better yet, nominate you to lead the BOE!

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Anonymous wrote:My bad, i read the table wrong. Yes, the numbers are all about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 1&3: Churchill Asian increased from 33% to 37%, FARMS decreased from 10.9% to 9.9%. Wootton Asian increased from 37.4% to 43.2% and FARMS decreased from 13.4% to 11.9%.

I'm pretty sure the current options will exacerbate educational inequality, but I amsatisfied. I wonder can we reduce the FARMS to 5% or even lower for Churchill?

Are we looking at different data set? For all 4 options, Churchill Asian decrease from 37% to34.7% and farm from 9.9% to 9.8%.

Yes Wootton already the most Asian school becomes more so in all scenarios. WTF makes no sense. I have a ton of Asian friends so nothing wrong with it at all, but why further perpetuate the stereotype of Wootton and increase the nicknames for it.

All these Asian families you are talking about want to stay at Wootton. And you are speaking on behalf of them saying, "why perpetuate the stereotype?". HILARIOUS. Please say it to their face.

Far from it! Currently it’s like 37% Asian at Wootton. They should all stay there as Wootton shouldn’t be touched IMO.

My comment was saying it makes little sense to make the Asian population increase at Wootton and decrease at Churchill just to move Wayside ES as the only impacted school for Churchill to Wootton. Churchill and Wootton should be left alone just like Whitman. Other than that island that goes to Wootton I can see making sense at Crown, but even that if all those people wish to stay at Wootton which isn’t crowded just let them!

I can’t tell if you’re serious or joking?

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

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Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

In this case, which school neighborhood should zone to Crown HS?

Crown neighborhood, QO, RM, whatever left is overcrowded

Neighborhoods near Crown are currently zoned for Wootton. Makes sense to include it.

No that is only a bunch of townhouses and maybe some apartments. Not enough to play with Wooton. They should go to crown they are in waking distance but to take Stonemill out of wooton one of its largest feeders is stupid logistics. Wooton is under enrolled.

All four options added the whole Wayside ES to Wootton, so Wootton is not under-enrolled when that happens. Wayside doesn't want to go to Wootton anyways. They should leave both Churchill and Wootton alone.

It's not upto Wayside. MCPS should do whats best for entire county when it comes to over crowding.

Anyway, what's the difference between Churchill and Wootton? Both are good schools.

Wootton is a great school, I object to moving the Wootton district boundary as far south as the Potomac Community Center which is where I live. We’re surrounded by Churchill community and much of Wayside is within a 2 mile zone from Churchill. Our kids commute would add 20-30 minutes each day. They’d be far away from friends at Wootton as to get from our area to the rest of Wootton could involve 25-30 minute drives one way vs currently most of Churchill neighborhood is within a 5-10 minute drive. Wayside should probably be split up, the two one lane bridges being the dividing line.

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Anonymous wrote:Given the current financial environment/MCPS budget, I think they are going to prioritize the option that is the best for facility utilization.

Maybe they need to make walkers go to their HS within 2 miles instead of busing them past 1-3 HS to change around some FARMS numbers. It’s expensive and wasteful and it’s takes the neighborhood feel out for schools. Split MS is also a terrible idea. The maps are so messed up looking

Well said.... What a shame to bus walkers who live across the street from QO to go to Gaithersburg (or even Crowne)? We can literally hear the announcer at football games on Friday nights from my house... so much so that my 3 year old can't fall asleep. And you want to bus us away from this?? So frustrating!! Do better MCPS!

eh..I can hear the Friday night games at Wootton very clearly, but we are zoned for RM. We are also walking distance to Wootton, but none of the options have our neighborhood going back to Wootton.

Unfortunately, some of the HS are so close together that some neighborhoods will end up going to the school further away. Woodward and WJ are super close together, too, and they will have the same issues.

But at NO point should neighborhoods that are in walking distance to ANY school get bussed to another school, especially ones that back up to a school. Not with the congestion of this county, the traffic issues, emissions, climate change, and cost of buses/gas and the constant complaints of budget cuts.

And I know your area. It’s ridiculous to keep them going to RM, but instead move Wayside ES to Wootton. Buses all over Falls Rd/Wootton Parkway area that do not need to be there. Traffic is awful there every morning already. No one can drive down Wootton Parkway either direction from 7:15 to 8am every day. The buses have to drop off so early to avoid the traffic. Teens don’t want to arrive at school 7am for 7:45am start time. So they get driven instead. The same will be said for other schools.

The goal should be decrease traffic and congestion and encourage walking.

There just needs to be common sense and NONE of these address neighborhood issues. The fact Washingtonian tower and townhouses directly across the street from Crown will be bussed to Wootton still in most plans is abysmal. Kentlands buses to Gaithersburg, etc…

You have described the problem incredibly well! Falls Rd is already a nightmare to drive on. Adding Wayside to Wootton will make it a disaster. Back roads will get insane too. Side streets and smaller neighborhood roads will be used by more people and it will pose safety hazards.

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

Not gonna happen.

FG is close to Crown. RPES bring upper income to RMHS if FG moves to Crown.

FG is actually closer to Wootton but only about 1/2 a mile. But unless they take out Travilah or Dufief the traffic would be terrible on the one lane Wootton Parkway.

I think they just need to move Horizon Hill neighborhood to the very undercrowded Cold Spring ES so they can be walkers and leave the rest of RPES going into RM. But moving Wayside to Wootton before considering Ritchie Park, which half would be walkers to Wootton, is a terrible idea

Oh gosh I forgot how bad Wootton Parkway traffic is! Yes you’re so right about Ritchie Park.

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Anonymous wrote:both of these studies especially Crown are making me think that one was a waste of money. It’d have been far better to devote the $150M or whatever was spent on Crown into spending it on an addition at each HS with a need. Spending 25M x 6 prevents this from becoming a debacle.

Additionally from an ongoing operational cost standpoint, far more efficient to have fewer but larger schools so long as we’re not taking about 3000+ high schools everywhere.

Think of all the wasted staff to run the school. Economics of having 2 less principals, 6 less assistant principals, 2 less biz managers, etc not to mention the facility upkeep. Feels like way more inefficient.

I thought about this, too, about just adding to the existing schools, especially given the demographic cliff, but I think the problem for some of the schools is that they lack space to build an addition.

About 10 years ago JWMS had a large addition. It's now already at over capacity.

interesting though I think that might be due to new MFH developments in its zone?

I am showing my age but when they were rebuilding RM awhile back, they had an option for a full third level floor that was going to stay undeveloped/closed off almost like an attic. And if needed in the future, it was just a matter of finishing it internally.

Buttttt MCPS did not approve it. They literally waste so much money on poor decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:The irony that a few decades ago Ritchie Park families went BALLISTIC when they were moved from Wootton to Richard Montgomery because they were almost all walkers and then were bussed instead.

But the board is like hmmm, let’s move Wayside to Wootton and not even consider Ritchie Park right up the street and convert them back to walkers, tells you everything you need to know about how f’d up this entire thing is.

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Anonymous wrote:Moving Wayside out of Churchill helps with utilization. How else will they get Churchill below 100%?

It’s a BS utilization at Churchill. They’ve reduced capacity by 100 seats from when it first opened. What happened did the school shrink? Churchill has just had a period of a few years with higher enrollment which was consistently in lower figures and never had a portable until a year or two I believe. Kids there have stated it’s not crowded aside from the portable there’s no evidence to that.

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

Not gonna happen.

FG is close to Crown. RPES bring upper income to RMHS if FG moves to Crown.

FG is actually closer to Wootton but only about 1/2 a mile. But unless they take out Travilah or Dufief the traffic would be terrible on the one lane Wootton Parkway.

I think they just need to move Horizon Hill neighborhood to the very undercrowded Cold Spring ES so they can be walkers and leave the rest of RPES going into RM. But moving Wayside to Wootton before considering Ritchie Park, which half would be walkers to Wootton, is a terrible idea

Oh gosh I forgot how bad Wootton Parkway traffic is! Yes you’re so right about Ritchie Park.

The high school buses for wayside area would be about a 6:40am bus stop pick-up for a 7:45 arrival. The bus at Copenhaver is 6:50am so it can beat out the traffic. No teen wants to get up that early. So what happens now and will happen with Wayside? Parents driving in. Teens driving in. So much more congested on that one lane road.

For kids living in Horizon Hill? They could start walking by 7:25pm or bike by 7:35 and get to school on time.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a reason why they divided the boundary studies the way they did?

If Churchill is overcapacity, it seems like they could have included it in the Woodward, Walter Johnson and Whitman boundaries. Where there are areas of Bethesda that currently go to Churchill but are right next to those other schools, specifically Whitman. So doesn't seem like it would be that much of a change in communities.

ie Bethesda goes to Whitman

Potomac (including the Wayside area) stays with Churchill

Rockville stays with Wootton

Yeah makes no sense the way it was divided. Whitman, Churchill, WJ all could have been mixed, but again ES inclusion should have also been considered.

Also why the heck was Magruder and Rockville HS not included?

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Anonymous wrote:both of these studies especially Crown are making me think that one was a waste of money. It’d have been far better to devote the $150M or whatever was spent on Crown into spending it on an addition at each HS with a need. Spending 25M x 6 prevents this from becoming a debacle.

Additionally from an ongoing operational cost standpoint, far more efficient to have fewer but larger schools so long as we’re not taking about 3000+ high schools everywhere.

Think of all the wasted staff to run the school. Economics of having 2 less principals, 6 less assistant principals, 2 less biz managers, etc not to mention the facility upkeep. Feels like way more inefficient.

I thought about this, too, about just adding to the existing schools, especially given the demographic cliff, but I think the problem for some of the schools is that they lack space to build an addition.

About 10 years ago JWMS had a large addition. It's now already at over capacity.

interesting though I think that might be due to new MFH developments in its zone?

I am showing my age but when they were rebuilding RM awhile back, they had an option for a full third level floor that was going to stay undeveloped/closed off almost like an attic. And if needed in the future, it was just a matter of finishing it internally.

Buttttt MCPS did not approve it. They literally waste so much money on poor decisions.

Oh my that’s crazy. So cheap to pay a little more upfront. Though I can understand the competing funds needed elsewhere, but man I wonder how much extra that would have been.

Same with every other school redone, Whitman and Churchill were made too small from the get go in the 90s when rebuilt.

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

Not gonna happen.

FG is close to Crown. RPES bring upper income to RMHS if FG moves to Crown.

FG is actually closer to Wootton but only about 1/2 a mile. But unless they take out Travilah or Dufief the traffic would be terrible on the one lane Wootton Parkway.

I think they just need to move Horizon Hill neighborhood to the very undercrowded Cold Spring ES so they can be walkers and leave the rest of RPES going into RM. But moving Wayside to Wootton before considering Ritchie Park, which half would be walkers to Wootton, is a terrible idea

Oh gosh I forgot how bad Wootton Parkway traffic is! Yes you’re so right about Ritchie Park.

The high school buses for wayside area would be about a 6:40am bus stop pick-up for a 7:45 arrival. The bus at Copenhaver is 6:50am so it can beat out the traffic. No teen wants to get up that early. So what happens now and will happen with Wayside? Parents driving in. Teens driving in. So much more congested on that one lane road.

For kids living in Horizon Hill? They could start walking by 7:25pm or bike by 7:35 and get to school on time.

Yeah I’m so close to Churchill (Wayside) that I could easily drive my kids to school in five mins and be back at my house so they could get some extra sleep. Doing that to Wootton would not be possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

Not gonna happen.

FG is close to Crown. RPES bring upper income to RMHS if FG moves to Crown.

FG is actually closer to Wootton but only about 1/2 a mile. But unless they take out Travilah or Dufief the traffic would be terrible on the one lane Wootton Parkway.

I think they just need to move Horizon Hill neighborhood to the very undercrowded Cold Spring ES so they can be walkers and leave the rest of RPES going into RM. But moving Wayside to Wootton before considering Ritchie Park, which half would be walkers to Wootton, is a terrible idea

They are not gong to change ES boundaries no matter how much people keep wishing for it.

Pulling Wayside past 3-4 other ES that go to other MS/HS to a further high school is terrible. Just move all of Ritchie Park to Wootton then. Half of them can walk to Wootton.

At least make it make sense.

There are four factors that they will look at, one of which is demographic mix. Moving RPES to Wootton goes against the demographic mix for SES. It's pulling an UMC out of RMHS, which they won't do.

BTW, I live in the RPES cluster. They won't move us. I'd be shocked if they do.

Besides Twinbrook, all the other feeder schools to RM are MC and UMC. And they are considering moving FG and King Farm out which are the two priciest neighborhoods that go to RM. So they don’t care that much. And moving Wayside instead of RPES makes Wootton more Asian and more money. So all against their demographics. So stop using that. Walkers and less buses and traffic in this county, should be the highest priority anyway.

FG goes to RPES. I would not call KG area UMC. The wealthiest ES is RPES. Look at the FARMS rate of the ES feeders to JWMS. RPES has a very low FARMs rate compared to the rest of the ES.

They are not going to pull RPES out of RMHS. That's a pipe dream. Again, I live in that cluster.

RM has Derwood, King Farm, Woodley Gardens, College Gardens, West End...plenty of $1M homes outside of RPES.

RM has half of King Farm currently.

The half with the pricy single family homes.

Nope. Pricey single family homes — both detached and attached — on both sides of the neighborhood.

No..town houses and condos north of Redland.

I guess I’ll tell the people who live in detached single family homes north of Redland that they don’t exist 🤣. There are also condos, town houses and apartments south of Redland.

I think it’s about 20 detached homes around pleasant circle and then 4 more on corners

And on Piccard opposite the park. And on Royal Crescent.

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

Not gonna happen.

FG is close to Crown. RPES bring upper income to RMHS if FG moves to Crown.

FG is actually closer to Wootton but only about 1/2 a mile. But unless they take out Travilah or Dufief the traffic would be terrible on the one lane Wootton Parkway.

I think they just need to move Horizon Hill neighborhood to the very undercrowded Cold Spring ES so they can be walkers and leave the rest of RPES going into RM. But moving Wayside to Wootton before considering Ritchie Park, which half would be walkers to Wootton, is a terrible idea

They are not gong to change ES boundaries no matter how much people keep wishing for it.

Pulling Wayside past 3-4 other ES that go to other MS/HS to a further high school is terrible. Just move all of Ritchie Park to Wootton then. Half of them can walk to Wootton.

At least make it make sense.

There are four factors that they will look at, one of which is demographic mix. Moving RPES to Wootton goes against the demographic mix for SES. It's pulling an UMC out of RMHS, which they won't do.

BTW, I live in the RPES cluster. They won't move us. I'd be shocked if they do.

Besides Twinbrook, all the other feeder schools to RM are MC and UMC. And they are considering moving FG and King Farm out which are the two priciest neighborhoods that go to RM. So they don’t care that much. And moving Wayside instead of RPES makes Wootton more Asian and more money. So all against their demographics. So stop using that. Walkers and less buses and traffic in this county, should be the highest priority anyway.

FG goes to RPES. I would not call KG area UMC. The wealthiest ES is RPES. Look at the FARMS rate of the ES feeders to JWMS. RPES has a very low FARMs rate compared to the rest of the ES.

They are not going to pull RPES out of RMHS. That's a pipe dream. Again, I live in that cluster.

RM has Derwood, King Farm, Woodley Gardens, College Gardens, West End...plenty of $1M homes outside of RPES.

RM has half of King Farm currently.

The half with the pricy single family homes.

Nope. Pricey single family homes — both detached and attached — on both sides of the neighborhood.

No..town houses and condos north of Redland.

I guess I’ll tell the people who live in detached single family homes north of Redland that they don’t exist 🤣. There are also condos, town houses and apartments south of Redland.

I'm a NP, but the single family homes north of Redland are called "carriage homes" and are significantly smaller, and on smaller lots.

What in the world are you talking about? A house north of Redland sold in December that’s 3716 sq feet. On a lot just like it would be in much of King Farm south of Redland. And I can keep going. I understand there’s a narrative from King Farm folks who live south of Redland that they have higher property values. That’s not really true either but harder to argue. Saying there are only smaller detached single family houses north of Redland is just false.

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Wow I did not realize some of those plans included keeping that Rio triangle in Wootton. Are they serious? They are going to build a school and not send walkers to it?