Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Will redistricting along demographics lines jeopardize federal funds to MCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:Will redistricting along demographics lines jeopardize federal funds to MCPS?

Probably since it is illegal and also *gestures around to everything happening.*

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

Not gonna happen.

FG is close to Crown. RPES bring upper income to RMHS if FG moves to Crown.

FG is actually closer to Wootton but only about 1/2 a mile. But unless they take out Travilah or Dufief the traffic would be terrible on the one lane Wootton Parkway.

I think they just need to move Horizon Hill neighborhood to the very undercrowded Cold Spring ES so they can be walkers and leave the rest of RPES going into RM. But moving Wayside to Wootton before considering Ritchie Park, which half would be walkers to Wootton, is a terrible idea

They are not gong to change ES boundaries no matter how much people keep wishing for it.

Pulling Wayside past 3-4 other ES that go to other MS/HS to a further high school is terrible. Just move all of Ritchie Park to Wootton then. Half of them can walk to Wootton.

At least make it make sense.

There are four factors that they will look at, one of which is demographic mix. Moving RPES to Wootton goes against the demographic mix for SES. It's pulling an UMC out of RMHS, which they won't do.

BTW, I live in the RPES cluster. They won't move us. I'd be shocked if they do.

Besides Twinbrook, all the other feeder schools to RM are MC and UMC. And they are considering moving FG and King Farm out which are the two priciest neighborhoods that go to RM. So they don’t care that much. And moving Wayside instead of RPES makes Wootton more Asian and more money. So all against their demographics. So stop using that. Walkers and less buses and traffic in this county, should be the highest priority anyway.

FG goes to RPES. I would not call KG area UMC. The wealthiest ES is RPES. Look at the FARMS rate of the ES feeders to JWMS. RPES has a very low FARMs rate compared to the rest of the ES.

They are not going to pull RPES out of RMHS. That's a pipe dream. Again, I live in that cluster.

RM has Derwood, King Farm, Woodley Gardens, College Gardens, West End...plenty of $1M homes outside of RPES.

RM has half of King Farm currently.

The half with the pricy single family homes.

Nope. Pricey single family homes — both detached and attached — on both sides of the neighborhood.

No..town houses and condos north of Redland.

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

Not gonna happen.

FG is close to Crown. RPES bring upper income to RMHS if FG moves to Crown.

FG is actually closer to Wootton but only about 1/2 a mile. But unless they take out Travilah or Dufief the traffic would be terrible on the one lane Wootton Parkway.

I think they just need to move Horizon Hill neighborhood to the very undercrowded Cold Spring ES so they can be walkers and leave the rest of RPES going into RM. But moving Wayside to Wootton before considering Ritchie Park, which half would be walkers to Wootton, is a terrible idea

They are not gong to change ES boundaries no matter how much people keep wishing for it.

Pulling Wayside past 3-4 other ES that go to other MS/HS to a further high school is terrible. Just move all of Ritchie Park to Wootton then. Half of them can walk to Wootton.

At least make it make sense.

There are four factors that they will look at, one of which is demographic mix. Moving RPES to Wootton goes against the demographic mix for SES. It's pulling an UMC out of RMHS, which they won't do.

BTW, I live in the RPES cluster. They won't move us. I'd be shocked if they do.

Besides Twinbrook, all the other feeder schools to RM are MC and UMC. And they are considering moving FG and King Farm out which are the two priciest neighborhoods that go to RM. So they don’t care that much. And moving Wayside instead of RPES makes Wootton more Asian and more money. So all against their demographics. So stop using that. Walkers and less buses and traffic in this county, should be the highest priority anyway.

FG goes to RPES. I would not call KG area UMC. The wealthiest ES is RPES. Look at the FARMS rate of the ES feeders to JWMS. RPES has a very low FARMs rate compared to the rest of the ES.

They are not going to pull RPES out of RMHS. That's a pipe dream. Again, I live in that cluster.

RM has Derwood, King Farm, Woodley Gardens, College Gardens, West End...plenty of $1M homes outside of RPES.

RM has half of King Farm currently.

The half with the pricy single family homes.

Nope. Pricey single family homes — both detached and attached — on both sides of the neighborhood.

No..town houses and condos north of Redland.

I guess I’ll tell the people who live in detached single family homes north of Redland that they don’t exist 🤣. There are also condos, town houses and apartments south of Redland.

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I agree, which is why it's so dumb that they aren't changing the elementary schools along with everything.

Anonymous wrote:Do people not realize the importance of neighborhood schools. Especially with sports, clubs, walkers, ride sharing, and attending evening school events. And for families that they don’t have a friend living 10 miles away?

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Anonymous wrote:The irony that a few decades ago Ritchie Park families went BALLISTIC when they were moved from Wootton to Richard Montgomery because they were almost all walkers and then were bussed instead.

But the board is like hmmm, let’s move Wayside to Wootton and not even consider Ritchie Park right up the street and convert them back to walkers, tells you everything you need to know about how f’d up this entire thing is.

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I am shocked how many of these plans have walkers less than 1/2 mile (way less than the 2 mile) getting bused to other high schools.

I honestly thought they were going to clean up a lot of congestion and all of these plans make it worse for almost every high school.

The biggest shock is that 2 of the 4 options keep the Rio area bused all the way to Wootton instead of walking across Fields to attend Crown HS. Dumbest thing I’ve seen.

While I'm not a big fan of split articulation, I do see the argument for moving the Fallsmead triangle since they can walk to Crown. What worries me is that if they move the Fallsmead triangle to Crown, that could mean they are choosing one of their pro-split articulation options (options 2 and 4) that also involve things like breaking up Lakewood to send a small group to Crown that most definitely cannot walk there. I'm wondering how much they see these options as grouped together such that making one change will imply others, particularly for schools currently in the same cluster like Fallsmead and Lakewood.

I believe they will mix these 4 options up and choose some part of each.

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In which Wayside families not having any options….all four has Wayside going to Wootton. Again…not a bad school but will be a community nightmare when surrounded by Churchill clusters.

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

Not gonna happen.

FG is close to Crown. RPES bring upper income to RMHS if FG moves to Crown.

FG is actually closer to Wootton but only about 1/2 a mile. But unless they take out Travilah or Dufief the traffic would be terrible on the one lane Wootton Parkway.

I think they just need to move Horizon Hill neighborhood to the very undercrowded Cold Spring ES so they can be walkers and leave the rest of RPES going into RM. But moving Wayside to Wootton before considering Ritchie Park, which half would be walkers to Wootton, is a terrible idea

They are not gong to change ES boundaries no matter how much people keep wishing for it.

Pulling Wayside past 3-4 other ES that go to other MS/HS to a further high school is terrible. Just move all of Ritchie Park to Wootton then. Half of them can walk to Wootton.

At least make it make sense.

There are four factors that they will look at, one of which is demographic mix. Moving RPES to Wootton goes against the demographic mix for SES. It's pulling an UMC out of RMHS, which they won't do.

BTW, I live in the RPES cluster. They won't move us. I'd be shocked if they do.

Besides Twinbrook, all the other feeder schools to RM are MC and UMC. And they are considering moving FG and King Farm out which are the two priciest neighborhoods that go to RM. So they don’t care that much. And moving Wayside instead of RPES makes Wootton more Asian and more money. So all against their demographics. So stop using that. Walkers and less buses and traffic in this county, should be the highest priority anyway.

FG goes to RPES. I would not call KG area UMC. The wealthiest ES is RPES. Look at the FARMS rate of the ES feeders to JWMS. RPES has a very low FARMs rate compared to the rest of the ES.

They are not going to pull RPES out of RMHS. That's a pipe dream. Again, I live in that cluster.

RM has Derwood, King Farm, Woodley Gardens, College Gardens, West End...plenty of $1M homes outside of RPES.

RM has half of King Farm currently.

The half with the pricy single family homes.

Nope. Pricey single family homes — both detached and attached — on both sides of the neighborhood.

No..town houses and condos north of Redland.

I guess I’ll tell the people who live in detached single family homes north of Redland that they don’t exist 🤣. There are also condos, town houses and apartments south of Redland.

I think it’s about 20 detached homes around pleasant circle and then 4 more on corners

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

Not gonna happen.

FG is close to Crown. RPES bring upper income to RMHS if FG moves to Crown.

The rest of King Farm should go to RM

And that is one of the options.

All of King Farm should go to Gaithersburg

I know it doesn't matter, but I personally hope this doesn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

Not gonna happen.

FG is close to Crown. RPES bring upper income to RMHS if FG moves to Crown.

FG is actually closer to Wootton but only about 1/2 a mile. But unless they take out Travilah or Dufief the traffic would be terrible on the one lane Wootton Parkway.

I think they just need to move Horizon Hill neighborhood to the very undercrowded Cold Spring ES so they can be walkers and leave the rest of RPES going into RM. But moving Wayside to Wootton before considering Ritchie Park, which half would be walkers to Wootton, is a terrible idea

They are not gong to change ES boundaries no matter how much people keep wishing for it.

Pulling Wayside past 3-4 other ES that go to other MS/HS to a further high school is terrible. Just move all of Ritchie Park to Wootton then. Half of them can walk to Wootton.

At least make it make sense.

There are four factors that they will look at, one of which is demographic mix. Moving RPES to Wootton goes against the demographic mix for SES. It's pulling an UMC out of RMHS, which they won't do.

BTW, I live in the RPES cluster. They won't move us. I'd be shocked if they do.

Besides Twinbrook, all the other feeder schools to RM are MC and UMC. And they are considering moving FG and King Farm out which are the two priciest neighborhoods that go to RM. So they don’t care that much. And moving Wayside instead of RPES makes Wootton more Asian and more money. So all against their demographics. So stop using that. Walkers and less buses and traffic in this county, should be the highest priority anyway.

FG goes to RPES. I would not call KG area UMC. The wealthiest ES is RPES. Look at the FARMS rate of the ES feeders to JWMS. RPES has a very low FARMs rate compared to the rest of the ES.

They are not going to pull RPES out of RMHS. That's a pipe dream. Again, I live in that cluster.

RM has Derwood, King Farm, Woodley Gardens, College Gardens, West End...plenty of $1M homes outside of RPES.

RM has half of King Farm currently.

The half with the pricy single family homes.

Nope. Pricey single family homes — both detached and attached — on both sides of the neighborhood.

No..town houses and condos north of Redland.

I guess I’ll tell the people who live in detached single family homes north of Redland that they don’t exist 🤣. There are also condos, town houses and apartments south of Redland.

I'm a NP, but the single family homes north of Redland are called "carriage homes" and are significantly smaller, and on smaller lots.

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Is there a reason why they divided the boundary studies the way they did?

If Churchill is overcapacity, it seems like they could have included it in the Woodward, Walter Johnson and Whitman boundaries. Where there are areas of Bethesda that currently go to Churchill but are right next to those other schools, specifically Whitman. So doesn't seem like it would be that much of a change in communities.

ie Bethesda goes to Whitman

Potomac (including the Wayside area) stays with Churchill

Rockville stays with Wootton

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a reason why they divided the boundary studies the way they did?

If Churchill is overcapacity, it seems like they could have included it in the Woodward, Walter Johnson and Whitman boundaries. Where there are areas of Bethesda that currently go to Churchill but are right next to those other schools, specifically Whitman. So doesn't seem like it would be that much of a change in communities.

ie Bethesda goes to Whitman

Potomac (including the Wayside area) stays with Churchill

Rockville stays with Wootton

In my comment above, I mean right next to the other school boundaries.

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Anonymous wrote:They're not gonna move Kentlands/Lakelands to gaithersburg high. Way too much money and influence there for them to do that. (not to mention it would be insane logistically)

Most people there won’t give a shit. Its not like QO is a high-class school, and most parents go private already anyways.

The above is not true at all. A ton of young families in area who will make voices heard about this—it doesn’t make any sense to send Kentlands/Lakelands anywhere but QO. We can’t get a bus now because we are too close to school.

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Anonymous wrote:both of these studies especially Crown are making me think that one was a waste of money. It’d have been far better to devote the $150M or whatever was spent on Crown into spending it on an addition at each HS with a need. Spending 25M x 6 prevents this from becoming a debacle.

Additionally from an ongoing operational cost standpoint, far more efficient to have fewer but larger schools so long as we’re not taking about 3000+ high schools everywhere.

Think of all the wasted staff to run the school. Economics of having 2 less principals, 6 less assistant principals, 2 less biz managers, etc not to mention the facility upkeep. Feels like way more inefficient.

I thought about this, too, about just adding to the existing schools, especially given the demographic cliff, but I think the problem for some of the schools is that they lack space to build an addition.

About 10 years ago JWMS had a large addition. It's now already at over capacity.

interesting though I think that might be due to new MFH developments in its zone?

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

why

Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

I am PP of above- yes, totally agree. Leave Wootton alone. But they won’t.

Everyone supporting leaving Wootton alone, I stand with you as I went to CJMS/WCHS but had so many friends go to Wootton.

Anyway as a resident of Wayside now who is across the street from the proposed border, I want to stay at WCHS.

Wootton folks, if you can sign this petition it can’t hurt your case the less likely they are to shift Churchill to Wootton the less likely they are to shift schools from Wootton to elsewhere.

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