Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

I equate all medical procedures. It’s not for me to decide their protocols. Whatever medicine sees fit is good enough for me.

And this is why the right to abortion will be lost, possibly nationwide. Because the people promoting abortion rights are morally and ethically empty. This PP would clearly be fine executing the disabled and unwanted children as well.

I’m pro-choice with limits but I’d rather abortion disappear entirely than be on the same side as moral horror shows like PP.

Yet at least half of all Americans support abortion rights so who cares what you consider a moral horror? No one has to conform to your personal moral standards.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

You can't have a rational discussion with someone who thinks like the PP and compares a growing baby to a liver. Just ignore that person.

Can you have a rational discussion with someone who says things like “abortion after birth”?

DP. If you are fine with executing a baby while the mother is in labor or the day before birth, which is your position, you are the one incapable of having a rational discussion.

And that extremism is going to get abortion rights destroyed nationwide, because most voters would rather no abortion rights at all than support abortion up until the minute of birth. I’m pro-choice with limits and I’d give up abortion rights in a minute if that was the choice I had to make.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

I equate all medical procedures. It’s not for me to decide their protocols. Whatever medicine sees fit is good enough for me.

And this is why the right to abortion will be lost, possibly nationwide. Because the people promoting abortion rights are morally and ethically empty. This PP would clearly be fine executing the disabled and unwanted children as well.

I’m pro-choice with limits but I’d rather abortion disappear entirely than be on the same side as moral horror shows like PP.

Yet at least half of all Americans support abortion rights so who cares what you consider a moral horror? No one has to conform to your personal moral standards.

Half of all Americans absolutely do not support abortion the day before birth, which is your position.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Why do you limit it to in utero? Throughout most of human history the weak and sickly looking babies were eliminated after birth.

Because in utero is part of someone's body, and that body's owner deserves autonomy over their own body.

If you make this argument solely about the mother’s body, and her autonomy over it, and disregard the rights of the mother’s offspring (which is not in fact “part of” the mother’s body, but rather is a human child growing inside of the mother’s body), then logically you must also be ok with abortion up until the moment of birth. Do you take that position?

No, because there is a point in pregnancy where a fetus is no longer dependent on the mother to survive, and that’s called viability.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

I equate all medical procedures. It’s not for me to decide their protocols. Whatever medicine sees fit is good enough for me.

And this is why the right to abortion will be lost, possibly nationwide. Because the people promoting abortion rights are morally and ethically empty. This PP would clearly be fine executing the disabled and unwanted children as well.

I’m pro-choice with limits but I’d rather abortion disappear entirely than be on the same side as moral horror shows like PP.

Yet at least half of all Americans support abortion rights so who cares what you consider a moral horror? No one has to conform to your personal moral standards.

Half of all Americans absolutely do not support abortion the day before birth, which is your position.

How do you know what my position is?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

You can't have a rational discussion with someone who thinks like the PP and compares a growing baby to a liver. Just ignore that person.

Can you have a rational discussion with someone who says things like “abortion after birth”?

DP. If you are fine with executing a baby while the mother is in labor or the day before birth, which is your position, you are the one incapable of having a rational discussion.

And that extremism is going to get abortion rights destroyed nationwide, because most voters would rather no abortion rights at all than support abortion up until the minute of birth. I’m pro-choice with limits and I’d give up abortion rights in a minute if that was the choice I had to make.

First you invented a false dilemma and now you’re arguing with your own invention. It’s a beauty to behold.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

I equate all medical procedures. It’s not for me to decide their protocols. Whatever medicine sees fit is good enough for me.

And this is why the right to abortion will be lost, possibly nationwide. Because the people promoting abortion rights are morally and ethically empty. This PP would clearly be fine executing the disabled and unwanted children as well.

I’m pro-choice with limits but I’d rather abortion disappear entirely than be on the same side as moral horror shows like PP.

Yet at least half of all Americans support abortion rights so who cares what you consider a moral horror? No one has to conform to your personal moral standards.

Half of all Americans absolutely do not support abortion the day before birth, which is your position.

How do you know what my position is?

You’ve said it. Abortion freely until 23 weeks, after that with “nuance” but you refuse to define nuance. It’s reasonable to conclude you’re in favor of abortion the day before birth. If you are not, then clarify your position.

And please show polling that shows most Americans support abortion the day before birth, like you.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

You can't have a rational discussion with someone who thinks like the PP and compares a growing baby to a liver. Just ignore that person.

Can you have a rational discussion with someone who says things like “abortion after birth”?

DP. If you are fine with executing a baby while the mother is in labor or the day before birth, which is your position, you are the one incapable of having a rational discussion.

And that extremism is going to get abortion rights destroyed nationwide, because most voters would rather no abortion rights at all than support abortion up until the minute of birth. I’m pro-choice with limits and I’d give up abortion rights in a minute if that was the choice I had to make.

First you invented a false dilemma and now you’re arguing with your own invention. It’s a beauty to behold.

Okay, then name your limits. You refuse to do so.

Abortion in the ninth month of pregnancy is widely despised, no matter what whackjob extremists like you promote.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Why do you limit it to in utero? Throughout most of human history the weak and sickly looking babies were eliminated after birth.

Because in utero is part of someone's body, and that body's owner deserves autonomy over their own body.

If you make this argument solely about the mother’s body, and her autonomy over it, and disregard the rights of the mother’s offspring (which is not in fact “part of” the mother’s body, but rather is a human child growing inside of the mother’s body), then logically you must also be ok with abortion up until the moment of birth. Do you take that position?

No, because there is a point in pregnancy where a fetus is no longer dependent on the mother to survive, and that’s called viability.

So you support a total ban on abortion after 21 weeks?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Why do you limit it to in utero? Throughout most of human history the weak and sickly looking babies were eliminated after birth.

Because in utero is part of someone's body, and that body's owner deserves autonomy over their own body.

If you make this argument solely about the mother’s body, and her autonomy over it, and disregard the rights of the mother’s offspring (which is not in fact “part of” the mother’s body, but rather is a human child growing inside of the mother’s body), then logically you must also be ok with abortion up until the moment of birth. Do you take that position?

No, because there is a point in pregnancy where a fetus is no longer dependent on the mother to survive, and that’s called viability.

So you support a total ban on abortion after 21 weeks?

For healthy babies with no threats to the mother? That sounds reasonable.

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I don’t understand why liberals think that all women should want to be able or kill their own children. I think it’s because abortion is so abhorrent that they have to trick themselves into denial about what it really is.

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My dear friend had an abortion at 24 weeks. She found out at about 18 weeks that the fetus had multiple deformities. They scrambled around to experts, seeing if anything could be done. They had tried for years to have a child and had multiple miscarriages.

Turns out the egg and sperm were not genetically compatible and all the organs and limbs were malformed. If they continued the pregnancy the woman risked sepsis, and the birth would only result in an excruciating death of the fetus.

This is what people in the real world face. And stupid people like the Doubting Debbies on this board can STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Why do you limit it to in utero? Throughout most of human history the weak and sickly looking babies were eliminated after birth.

Because in utero is part of someone's body, and that body's owner deserves autonomy over their own body.

If you make this argument solely about the mother’s body, and her autonomy over it, and disregard the rights of the mother’s offspring (which is not in fact “part of” the mother’s body, but rather is a human child growing inside of the mother’s body), then logically you must also be ok with abortion up until the moment of birth. Do you take that position?

No, because there is a point in pregnancy where a fetus is no longer dependent on the mother to survive, and that’s called viability.

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Once again forced birthers end up looking like a bag of clowns, all accusations and their own weird Life News takes on what they think pro choice people want, and the flimsiest understanding of any of the issues. Like weird little bits of slag formed in the weak fires of right wing propaganda, they’re off their rockers.

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Anonymous wrote:My dear friend had an abortion at 24 weeks. She found out at about 18 weeks that the fetus had multiple deformities. They scrambled around to experts, seeing if anything could be done. They had tried for years to have a child and had multiple miscarriages.

Turns out the egg and sperm were not genetically compatible and all the organs and limbs were malformed. If they continued the pregnancy the woman risked sepsis, and the birth would only result in an excruciating death of the fetus.

This is what people in the real world face. And stupid people like the Doubting Debbies on this board can STFU.

Ok so then you’d be ok with banning abortions except for cases of birth defects, risk to mother, or rape? Oh of course you wouldn’t. See that’s the problem. You people always try to jump to an extreme example.