Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.

Who has forced you to become pregnant? Names, dates?

I just find forced birthers like you to be so incredibly silly. You all talk like homeschooled middle schoolers - first in your class! - and so, so sure that the irrelevant lies you’ve been taught are the truth. It’s easy to sit smugly when you have never been challenged. You’ve never examined a single thing you were taught, and from the organized way you and the two other intensive posters are posting, I’d say my guess isn’t far from the truth and your mom said you could get extra credit for trying to convert people.

The really funny thing is that if you are an older woman, as I am, statistically speaking you’re just as likely to have had an abortion as I am, but like all hypocritical forced birthers, your abortion is the only moral abortion. (So much so someone actually wrote a story gently mocking all you sick hypocrites. You should read it!: https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/) If you had stayed pregnant by Hank from Bible camp, you wouldn’t have been able to go to college, and you wouldn’t have Braxton, Kayden and Sophia with your husband, and that’s somehow different from the choices other women make. There’s literally no difference between your abortion and any other woman’s abortion.

For the record, I’ve only ever been with one man and have never wanted, needed or sought an abortion. My miscarriages all resolved themselves (though with some scary bleeding as the other twin continued). I simply understand that women are people and that forced birther politics comes from a cold, dark, patriarchal, misogynistic culture that needs to control women.

(Fun fact, since you really do talk like someone deep in the religious soup: you should read about Mary, mother of Jesus, was systemically written out of the important, Church continuing role she played as the Bible was edited over the years. Your church lies to you to keep you down, to insure that you Serena Joyly keep other women down, too. The patriarchy can’t exist without your willing participation.)

I have never had an abortion and don’t attend any church. Religious people have their own beliefs, which they are free to have. Idk wtf your Hank and bible camp claptrap is about, but it’s utterly ridiculous and nonsensical.

Nobody cares about your long winded anecdotes about you and your life except you.

Killing unborn, healthy babies is not something that most Americans are down with past the first trimester, and elective abortion is what is being pushed as a right. It’s not a right, it’s a choice and surgical abortion of healthy babies are only performed in abortion clinics because no doctor besides a doctor that specializes in abortion wants to be killing healthy babies because mom decides after conception she doesn’t want to raise her child, because it’s inconvenient.

You can pretend all women have abortions and then decide they don’t want other women to have abortions, but that’s not me at all. If you feel like you want to make more random guesses about people posting here, go for it, but it is extremely unlikely you have any clue what you’re ranting about.

Unborn babies are just as valuable and important as their mothers are. They are just as important as you are. Any suggestion that an unborn child is disposable and not a human and not alive marks you as a monster that doesn’t value life, which you will protest, but is true. I don’t think abortion should be outlawed, but it should be rare. Very rare. It should be reserved for cases or rape and/or incest, and for women who are experiencing life threatening medical conditions. Not for women who elect to kill their child for convenience. I don’t think old people or sick people or anyone who is not terminally ill should be euthanized as Canada is now doing, because life is valuable and precious.

My mom was a socialist and a feminist. She had every right to choose and embrace whatever political views she wanted and did. I have my views and find your post utterly laughable. Talk about talking out your @ss. lol. 🤡

And to further reinforce the absurdity of your premise: not only was my mother a socialist and feminist, she was a socialist and feminist from England, specifically. If you know anything about real socialists, those who were/are born and raised in England are particularly committed to their political system. Rabidly so.

My childhood was very far from your poorly imagined and written fan fiction. Too bad it wasn’t at least amusing.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

I equate all medical procedures. It’s not for me to decide their protocols. Whatever medicine sees fit is good enough for me.

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Anonymous wrote:lol that’s not the reason for the hijab you crazy person

Yes, it is. Look it up.

No it isn’t.

I'm not sure why you're insisting on having theological discussions. But yes, one of the oft-cited reasons to wear a hijab is out of likeness to the Virgin Mary, who is discussed in both the Quran and the Hadith. I would tell you about the role of Jesus in Islam but you're not ready to hear it yet. In any case, Mary is not a good example of a marginalized woman. She's perhaps the least marginalized woman in all of history. Are you the same person posting that women have never started a war?

?? Mary didn’t wear any special head coverings distinct from any other women of her time. It isn’t possible to imitate her likeness with a hijab and the reason for the Muslim hijab has nothing to do with Mary.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

When Americans are polled on this issue, no matter who does the polling, consistently, Americans broadly support abortion as a legal but rare option (uniformally in cases of rape or incest) during the first trimester. Support starts to fragment after that point.

And taxpayers support of abortion is not popular. The right of a woman to pay for it herself in the first trimester is the most acceptable degree of abortion. This is not my personal opinion but polls show it to be broadly accepted in this country.

This is what I support. If a majority of Americans want something I think it should be made available with limits in place. I think abortion is immoral unless in specific cases but it is not up to me to force my beliefs onto other women. I do think there are issues with so many abortions taking place though. 1 out of 4 pregnancies resulting in a termination is way too high. I fully support precautionary measures being implemented such as wider access to plan B pills and free/cheap birth control options. Rather than talking about gender crap in schools they should make sure teenagers are educated on birth control options including risks/benefits and failure rates.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

I equate all medical procedures. It’s not for me to decide their protocols. Whatever medicine sees fit is good enough for me.

And saying the surgical killing of a fetus is the same as an appendectomy is extreme. It’s not a position most would take; thus, most are not single issue voters when it comes to abortion. Only those morally debased. I am going to have so much joy when Trump replaces Alito and Thomas on SCOTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

You can't have a rational discussion with someone who thinks like the PP and compares a growing baby to a liver. Just ignore that person.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

You may be too far up your own anal sphincter to understand the distinction, but none of these cases is something that is inside someone's body

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

When Americans are polled on this issue, no matter who does the polling, consistently, Americans broadly support abortion as a legal but rare option (uniformally in cases of rape or incest) during the first trimester. Support starts to fragment after that point.

And taxpayers support of abortion is not popular. The right of a woman to pay for it herself in the first trimester is the most acceptable degree of abortion. This is not my personal opinion but polls show it to be broadly accepted in this country.

This is what I support. If a majority of Americans want something I think it should be made available with limits in place. I think abortion is immoral unless in specific cases but it is not up to me to force my beliefs onto other women. I do think there are issues with so many abortions taking place though. 1 out of 4 pregnancies resulting in a termination is way too high. I fully support precautionary measures being implemented such as wider access to plan B pills and free/cheap birth control options. Rather than talking about gender crap in schools they should make sure teenagers are educated on birth control options including risks/benefits and failure rates.

Republican Party is trying to ban Plan B and birth control.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Why do you limit it to in utero? Throughout most of human history the weak and sickly looking babies were eliminated after birth.

Because in utero is part of someone's body, and that body's owner deserves autonomy over their own body.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Why do you limit it to in utero? Throughout most of human history the weak and sickly looking babies were eliminated after birth.

Because in utero is part of someone's body, and that body's owner deserves autonomy over their own body.

If you make this argument solely about the mother’s body, and her autonomy over it, and disregard the rights of the mother’s offspring (which is not in fact “part of” the mother’s body, but rather is a human child growing inside of the mother’s body), then logically you must also be ok with abortion up until the moment of birth. Do you take that position?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

When Americans are polled on this issue, no matter who does the polling, consistently, Americans broadly support abortion as a legal but rare option (uniformally in cases of rape or incest) during the first trimester. Support starts to fragment after that point.

And taxpayers support of abortion is not popular. The right of a woman to pay for it herself in the first trimester is the most acceptable degree of abortion. This is not my personal opinion but polls show it to be broadly accepted in this country.

This is what I support. If a majority of Americans want something I think it should be made available with limits in place. I think abortion is immoral unless in specific cases but it is not up to me to force my beliefs onto other women. I do think there are issues with so many abortions taking place though. 1 out of 4 pregnancies resulting in a termination is way too high. I fully support precautionary measures being implemented such as wider access to plan B pills and free/cheap birth control options. Rather than talking about gender crap in schools they should make sure teenagers are educated on birth control options including risks/benefits and failure rates.

I agree and was always careful but wanted the option to abort for anomalies.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

I equate all medical procedures. It’s not for me to decide their protocols. Whatever medicine sees fit is good enough for me.

And this is why the right to abortion will be lost, possibly nationwide. Because the people promoting abortion rights are morally and ethically empty. This PP would clearly be fine executing the disabled and unwanted children as well.

I’m pro-choice with limits but I’d rather abortion disappear entirely than be on the same side as moral horror shows like PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

You can't have a rational discussion with someone who thinks like the PP and compares a growing baby to a liver. Just ignore that person.

Can you have a rational discussion with someone who says things like “abortion after birth”?