Lebanon / Israel

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip or the West Bank as much as They want Lebanon

I hope that is not true.

It is true. There was a time long ago where Lebanese liked Israelis more than Palestinians. They didn’t understand Palestinian objection to partition/Jewish immigration and The religious drama as they live with a split multifaith unity government and had many French and Armenian expats.

Israel doesn’t know how to be nice to people that are nice to them. Lebanon famously abstained from the 1948, 1967 Arab Israeli war much to the criticism of their Arab League neighbors who mockingly called them Switzerland and blamed Lebanon for being weak. Some people believed the war outcome could’ve been very very different for Israel if Lebanon invaded from the North. They never fought each other till the 80s.

Israel owes lots of its earlier security before the U.S. came in to protect them to Lebanon but it seems like Israel never realized that. They want a regional war/gang up at this point. Do they think they can handle an attack from
The North, the South/Gaza, and the West (WB or Iran) all at the same time? Netanyahu is acting erratically and foolishly for political points

This is literally all bullshit.

+1

Israel has not attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people. Israel has undertaken precise action against the terrorists in Hezbollah who were actively plotting against Israel with massive support from Iran.

Unlike Gaza where Hamas enjoys broad support, the majority of people in Lebanon detest Hezbollah and the threat they’ve always presented. I mean, who wants to live under oppressive religious dictates?

Do you know any Lebanese? I assure you that your view that this was a "precise action" is one that thethat the Lebanese are not celebrating. My friend's cousin just had a baby and installed solar in their home. She has thrown out the baby monitor and unplugged the solar panels (she reported there was a solar rooftop blown up, not sure if that is true or rumor but she believes it) so they are living without electricity. The regular every day non religious fanatic Lebanese are terrified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip or the West Bank as much as They want Lebanon

I hope that is not true.

It is true. There was a time long ago where Lebanese liked Israelis more than Palestinians. They didn’t understand Palestinian objection to partition/Jewish immigration and The religious drama as they live with a split multifaith unity government and had many French and Armenian expats.

Israel doesn’t know how to be nice to people that are nice to them. Lebanon famously abstained from the 1948, 1967 Arab Israeli war much to the criticism of their Arab League neighbors who mockingly called them Switzerland and blamed Lebanon for being weak. Some people believed the war outcome could’ve been very very different for Israel if Lebanon invaded from the North. They never fought each other till the 80s.

Israel owes lots of its earlier security before the U.S. came in to protect them to Lebanon but it seems like Israel never realized that. They want a regional war/gang up at this point. Do they think they can handle an attack from
The North, the South/Gaza, and the West (WB or Iran) all at the same time? Netanyahu is acting erratically and foolishly for political points

This is literally all bullshit.

+1

Israel has not attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people. Israel has undertaken precise action against the terrorists in Hezbollah who were actively plotting against Israel with massive support from Iran.

Unlike Gaza where Hamas enjoys broad support, the majority of people in Lebanon detest Hezbollah and the threat they’ve always presented. I mean, who wants to live under oppressive religious dictates?

You are delusional.

In the 1980’s Israel blanket-bombed Lebanese, targeted water infrastructure, fermented Civil War, installed a minority puppet regime, occupied 10% of the country, etc. Does this sound familiar? Hezbollah was formed organically as guerrilla fighters organized against the Israel’s occupation of Lebanon. Israelis burned all the olive trees and planted over 130,000 mines in occupied Lebanon. Israel used the Christian minority as their puppets. When the cost became too much for the Israelis they withdrew destroying all civilian infrastructure, leaving land mines, abandoning the SLA and their Christian “allies”.

Currently Israel considers all of Lebanon a free fire zone. Israel claims they need a buffer zone but settlers are making plans. Carpet bombing, indiscriminate killings of civilians, shelling with artillery and targeting key infrastructure in Lebanon. These are all act of war and many are war crimes.

Israeli law enforcement treats Lebanon as an "enemy state". Any Israeli citizens or any other person who holds any passport bearing stamps, visas, etc associated with Lebanon are subject to arrest or detention. Polls show 97% of Lebanese having unfavorable opinion of Jews.

Lebanese hate Israel and for good reason. Who would want to live next to a genocidal terrorist state that is Israel?

Oh also note that Hezbollah a group that fought Israel’s illegal occupation of Lebanon is now classified by the US as a terrorist group?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m reading Nancy Pelosi’s memoir (btw, so disappointing so far, I was hoping for details about her upbringing and early political career and all it is 1/4 way through is a recap of old news articles). Anyway, I am at the point t where he is discussion 9/11 and how the attack was so unexpected (despite the July report, despite the fact that the Guardian in 1999 had a 2 - page spread about Bin. Laden and his intentions). I remember how after 9/11 I thought of several ways the US was extremely vulnerable to more attacks (I don’t want to highlight here to give anyone ideas!) those remain vulnerabilities. I hope people realize that the Muslim hate incidents and continued funding to Israelto kill more people leaves us very vulnerable here at home! This is not just a conflict on foreign shores. It can very easily come here and harm us.

Um, obviously.

But the reality is that even if we cut off Israel completely, Muslim extremists would still still hate America. Why? They hate all westerners and our western ways.

ICYMI: anyone bananas enough to kill in the name of religion hates all of us normal people. They basically only accept those who adhere to their special breed of religious fanaticism. Moreover, they don’t need to sneak into the country because some of them are already here.

Israel has had many people who kill in the name of religion.

Don't forget that their current minister of national security is a religious extremist who has repeatedly praised Baruch Goldstein, who massacred 29 innocent people and wounded over 100 more in the name of religion.

Shortly before the murder of Rabin, Ben-Gvir stole the car ornament from Rabin's car and said "We got to his car, and we'll get to him too."

And he has an actual conviction for supporting terrorism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/15/israel-ben-gvir-netanyahu-government/

Are you American?

I am.

And my biggest concern is my safety and the safety of my country…America.

My prior post focused on the threat of religious extremism and terrorism—primarily the threat to America and the West. Are you not worried about that very real threat? I find it interesting that you seem more concerned with Israel. As an American, I don’t have any fear of Israel or Israelis attacking America. I do worry about getting drawn into yet another war in the part of the world where countries use religion to manipulate and control people…and where basic human rights aren’t a thing…and where barbaric beliefs and practices are routine…and terrorism is a good way for poor men to make a living…and the common enemy is Israel followed by the USA and the West writ large.

To be clear: nobody enjoys the ridiculous nonsense that fuels continuous bloody wars over there. But as an American, I don’t have a dog in this fight. I wish they would evolve and be better. Until then, my priority remains my safety and that of America and the West. YMMV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m reading Nancy Pelosi’s memoir (btw, so disappointing so far, I was hoping for details about her upbringing and early political career and all it is 1/4 way through is a recap of old news articles). Anyway, I am at the point t where he is discussion 9/11 and how the attack was so unexpected (despite the July report, despite the fact that the Guardian in 1999 had a 2 - page spread about Bin. Laden and his intentions). I remember how after 9/11 I thought of several ways the US was extremely vulnerable to more attacks (I don’t want to highlight here to give anyone ideas!) those remain vulnerabilities. I hope people realize that the Muslim hate incidents and continued funding to Israelto kill more people leaves us very vulnerable here at home! This is not just a conflict on foreign shores. It can very easily come here and harm us.

Um, obviously.

But the reality is that even if we cut off Israel completely, Muslim extremists would still still hate America. Why? They hate all westerners and our western ways.

ICYMI: anyone bananas enough to kill in the name of religion hates all of us normal people. They basically only accept those who adhere to their special breed of religious fanaticism. Moreover, they don’t need to sneak into the country because some of them are already here.

Sure, but don't you see that by killing /maiming non religious extremists (which certainly did happen with the pager/walkie talky strikes) we are now moving the non extremists closer to the extremist view that America is a horrible country? People in Lebanon have already experienced great trauma during their civil war - it doesn't take much to trigger them. And as long as the prevalent American attitude is the collateral damage is a-ok (or in fact let's blame it on the victims for being born and living in Lebanon/Gaza) our callousness and lack of heart is not quelling the hatred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip or the West Bank as much as They want Lebanon

I hope that is not true.

It is true. There was a time long ago where Lebanese liked Israelis more than Palestinians. They didn’t understand Palestinian objection to partition/Jewish immigration and The religious drama as they live with a split multifaith unity government and had many French and Armenian expats.

Israel doesn’t know how to be nice to people that are nice to them. Lebanon famously abstained from the 1948, 1967 Arab Israeli war much to the criticism of their Arab League neighbors who mockingly called them Switzerland and blamed Lebanon for being weak. Some people believed the war outcome could’ve been very very different for Israel if Lebanon invaded from the North. They never fought each other till the 80s.

Israel owes lots of its earlier security before the U.S. came in to protect them to Lebanon but it seems like Israel never realized that. They want a regional war/gang up at this point. Do they think they can handle an attack from
The North, the South/Gaza, and the West (WB or Iran) all at the same time? Netanyahu is acting erratically and foolishly for political points

This is literally all bullshit.

+1

Israel has not attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people. Israel has undertaken precise action against the terrorists in Hezbollah who were actively plotting against Israel with massive support from Iran.

Unlike Gaza where Hamas enjoys broad support, the majority of people in Lebanon detest Hezbollah and the threat they’ve always presented. I mean, who wants to live under oppressive religious dictates?

You are delusional.

In the 1980’s Israel blanket-bombed Lebanese, targeted water infrastructure, fermented Civil War, installed a minority puppet regime, occupied 10% of the country, etc. Does this sound familiar? Hezbollah was formed organically as guerrilla fighters organized against the Israel’s occupation of Lebanon. Israelis burned all the olive trees and planted over 130,000 mines in occupied Lebanon. Israel used the Christian minority as their puppets. When the cost became too much for the Israelis they withdrew destroying all civilian infrastructure, leaving land mines, abandoning the SLA and their Christian “allies”.

Currently Israel considers all of Lebanon a free fire zone. Israel claims they need a buffer zone but settlers are making plans. Carpet bombing, indiscriminate killings of civilians, shelling with artillery and targeting key infrastructure in Lebanon. These are all act of war and many are war crimes.

Israeli law enforcement treats Lebanon as an "enemy state". Any Israeli citizens or any other person who holds any passport bearing stamps, visas, etc associated with Lebanon are subject to arrest or detention. Polls show 97% of Lebanese having unfavorable opinion of Jews.

Lebanese hate Israel and for good reason. Who would want to live next to a genocidal terrorist state that is Israel?

Oh also note that Hezbollah a group that fought Israel’s illegal occupation of Lebanon is now classified by the US as a terrorist group?

I’m not delusional—I’m right.

I’m talking about the last year, not the 1980s. ICYMI: they’ve all been playing a bloody ping pong game of dropping bombs for hundreds of years…in the name of “religion.” Whatever.

But what’s happening now is this: Hezbollah has enjoyed easier access to substantial weaponry thanks to Iran’s munitions factories in Syria. While Hezbollah has been shooting thousands of missiles at Israel for the last year, it was clear they were ramping up. What’s happened in the last week was nothing more than a tightly controlled operation to destabilize comms and munitions. They destroyed a munitions factory in Syria last week, and then they used the pagers to hit the actual terrorists directly.

Suggesting Israel attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people is nonsense. Countering the reality and facts of today by reaching back to the 1980s is absurd and irrelevant.

Serious question: if Israel disappeared tomorrow, do you really believe everyone left standing would magically coexist and religious extremism terrorism would end? Newsflash: not a chance. The reality is fat oligarchs safely esconced in their mansions far away from the danger will always use chaos to engage the world to send buckets of money for humanitarian aid that will largely end up making these puppet masters richer and arming their brainwashed minions to fight. Jihadis gonna jihad…after all, what else do they have going on?

^^^
That’s the problem to solve imho.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m reading Nancy Pelosi’s memoir (btw, so disappointing so far, I was hoping for details about her upbringing and early political career and all it is 1/4 way through is a recap of old news articles). Anyway, I am at the point t where he is discussion 9/11 and how the attack was so unexpected (despite the July report, despite the fact that the Guardian in 1999 had a 2 - page spread about Bin. Laden and his intentions). I remember how after 9/11 I thought of several ways the US was extremely vulnerable to more attacks (I don’t want to highlight here to give anyone ideas!) those remain vulnerabilities. I hope people realize that the Muslim hate incidents and continued funding to Israelto kill more people leaves us very vulnerable here at home! This is not just a conflict on foreign shores. It can very easily come here and harm us.

Um, obviously.

But the reality is that even if we cut off Israel completely, Muslim extremists would still still hate America. Why? They hate all westerners and our western ways.

ICYMI: anyone bananas enough to kill in the name of religion hates all of us normal people. They basically only accept those who adhere to their special breed of religious fanaticism. Moreover, they don’t need to sneak into the country because some of them are already here.

Sure, but don't you see that by killing /maiming non religious extremists (which certainly did happen with the pager/walkie talky strikes) we are now moving the non extremists closer to the extremist view that America is a horrible country? People in Lebanon have already experienced great trauma during their civil war - it doesn't take much to trigger them. And as long as the prevalent American attitude is the collateral damage is a-ok (or in fact let's blame it on the victims for being born and living in Lebanon/Gaza) our callousness and lack of heart is not quelling the hatred.

A Lebanese doctor was on npr basically dismissing the rumors that lots of innocent people died. He treated hundreds of injured at his hospital and confirmed they were middle aged and younger men.

Plus, women and children are sometimes used by terrorists.

I agree that the terrorists and their puppet masters in Iran will absolutely fuel misinformation among Tik tok and the masses to garner support and manipulate. Fostering hate is critical to inspiring jihad.

Can you at least admit that religious extremism and terrorism are wrong—and that’s the collective enemy any sane, functional civilization should have? If not, then I’m not sure anyone should bother to engage with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip or the West Bank as much as They want Lebanon

I hope that is not true.

It is true. There was a time long ago where Lebanese liked Israelis more than Palestinians. They didn’t understand Palestinian objection to partition/Jewish immigration and The religious drama as they live with a split multifaith unity government and had many French and Armenian expats.

Israel doesn’t know how to be nice to people that are nice to them. Lebanon famously abstained from the 1948, 1967 Arab Israeli war much to the criticism of their Arab League neighbors who mockingly called them Switzerland and blamed Lebanon for being weak. Some people believed the war outcome could’ve been very very different for Israel if Lebanon invaded from the North. They never fought each other till the 80s.

Israel owes lots of its earlier security before the U.S. came in to protect them to Lebanon but it seems like Israel never realized that. They want a regional war/gang up at this point. Do they think they can handle an attack from
The North, the South/Gaza, and the West (WB or Iran) all at the same time? Netanyahu is acting erratically and foolishly for political points

This is literally all bullshit.

+1

Israel has not attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people. Israel has undertaken precise action against the terrorists in Hezbollah who were actively plotting against Israel with massive support from Iran.

Unlike Gaza where Hamas enjoys broad support, the majority of people in Lebanon detest Hezbollah and the threat they’ve always presented. I mean, who wants to live under oppressive religious dictates?

Do you know any Lebanese? I assure you that your view that this was a "precise action" is one that thethat the Lebanese are not celebrating. My friend's cousin just had a baby and installed solar in their home. She has thrown out the baby monitor and unplugged the solar panels (she reported there was a solar rooftop blown up, not sure if that is true or rumor but she believes it) so they are living without electricity. The regular every day non religious fanatic Lebanese are terrified.

I know Lebanese people here with family abroad.

ICYMI: that country has been a mess forever, with blackouts and runs on banks, etc. Plus: terrorism.

I’m sure folks over there are worried about technology…probably the same way Americans worried about planes after 9/11.

But the pagers that exploded were issued to Hezbollah. Ditto for the solar panels. Unless your friend is living with a terrorist, they should be fine…just like the people I know over there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip or the West Bank as much as They want Lebanon

I hope that is not true.

It is true. There was a time long ago where Lebanese liked Israelis more than Palestinians. They didn’t understand Palestinian objection to partition/Jewish immigration and The religious drama as they live with a split multifaith unity government and had many French and Armenian expats.

Israel doesn’t know how to be nice to people that are nice to them. Lebanon famously abstained from the 1948, 1967 Arab Israeli war much to the criticism of their Arab League neighbors who mockingly called them Switzerland and blamed Lebanon for being weak. Some people believed the war outcome could’ve been very very different for Israel if Lebanon invaded from the North. They never fought each other till the 80s.

Israel owes lots of its earlier security before the U.S. came in to protect them to Lebanon but it seems like Israel never realized that. They want a regional war/gang up at this point. Do they think they can handle an attack from
The North, the South/Gaza, and the West (WB or Iran) all at the same time? Netanyahu is acting erratically and foolishly for political points

This is literally all bullshit.

+1

Israel has not attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people. Israel has undertaken precise action against the terrorists in Hezbollah who were actively plotting against Israel with massive support from Iran.

Unlike Gaza where Hamas enjoys broad support, the majority of people in Lebanon detest Hezbollah and the threat they’ve always presented. I mean, who wants to live under oppressive religious dictates?

You are delusional.

In the 1980’s Israel blanket-bombed Lebanese, targeted water infrastructure, fermented Civil War, installed a minority puppet regime, occupied 10% of the country, etc. Does this sound familiar? Hezbollah was formed organically as guerrilla fighters organized against the Israel’s occupation of Lebanon. Israelis burned all the olive trees and planted over 130,000 mines in occupied Lebanon. Israel used the Christian minority as their puppets. When the cost became too much for the Israelis they withdrew destroying all civilian infrastructure, leaving land mines, abandoning the SLA and their Christian “allies”.

Currently Israel considers all of Lebanon a free fire zone. Israel claims they need a buffer zone but settlers are making plans. Carpet bombing, indiscriminate killings of civilians, shelling with artillery and targeting key infrastructure in Lebanon. These are all act of war and many are war crimes.

Israeli law enforcement treats Lebanon as an "enemy state". Any Israeli citizens or any other person who holds any passport bearing stamps, visas, etc associated with Lebanon are subject to arrest or detention. Polls show 97% of Lebanese having unfavorable opinion of Jews.

Lebanese hate Israel and for good reason. Who would want to live next to a genocidal terrorist state that is Israel?

Oh also note that Hezbollah a group that fought Israel’s illegal occupation of Lebanon is now classified by the US as a terrorist group?

I’m not delusional—I’m right.

I’m talking about the last year, not the 1980s. ICYMI: they’ve all been playing a bloody ping pong game of dropping bombs for hundreds of years…in the name of “religion.” Whatever.

But what’s happening now is this: Hezbollah has enjoyed easier access to substantial weaponry thanks to Iran’s munitions factories in Syria. While Hezbollah has been shooting thousands of missiles at Israel for the last year, it was clear they were ramping up. What’s happened in the last week was nothing more than a tightly controlled operation to destabilize comms and munitions. They destroyed a munitions factory in Syria last week, and then they used the pagers to hit the actual terrorists directly.

Suggesting Israel attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people is nonsense. Countering the reality and facts of today by reaching back to the 1980s is absurd and irrelevant.

Serious question: if Israel disappeared tomorrow, do you really believe everyone left standing would magically coexist and religious extremism terrorism would end? Newsflash: not a chance. The reality is fat oligarchs safely esconced in their mansions far away from the danger will always use chaos to engage the world to send buckets of money for humanitarian aid that will largely end up making these puppet masters richer and arming their brainwashed minions to fight. Jihadis gonna jihad…after all, what else do they have going on?

^^^
That’s the problem to solve imho.

Oh this is rich. How many Lebanese have you Israel killed in the past year? Stop your lies and propaganda. When you bomb people, invade their country and kill their love ones you are at war. Israel has been at with Lebanon for over 60 years.

All you people talk about is how during the Iron Age there was a Jewish kingdom for 100 years so therefore you can take whatever you want. Now you say the people you carpet bombed and occupied in the 1980’s have no right to hold the grudge. In fact, they all love Israel Lol! The truly remarkable thing is Lebanon never attacked or joined any of the other Arab attacks against Israel. This is how Israel repays them. Hezbollah has a right to defend itself and the people of Lebanon. How many bomb factories does Israel have?

If Israel disappeared tomorrow the Palestinians could go back to their lands. This would solve the vast majority of the current problems in the Middle East. The area that makes up Israel/Palestine has always been an unimportant backwater. There are 9 million people wrongly displaced from their homes without compensation. The US is forcing the whole region through bribery, political pressure, supporting oppressive regimes and/or gun point to accept Israel. The US is on the wrong side of history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip or the West Bank as much as They want Lebanon

I hope that is not true.

It is true. There was a time long ago where Lebanese liked Israelis more than Palestinians. They didn’t understand Palestinian objection to partition/Jewish immigration and The religious drama as they live with a split multifaith unity government and had many French and Armenian expats.

Israel doesn’t know how to be nice to people that are nice to them. Lebanon famously abstained from the 1948, 1967 Arab Israeli war much to the criticism of their Arab League neighbors who mockingly called them Switzerland and blamed Lebanon for being weak. Some people believed the war outcome could’ve been very very different for Israel if Lebanon invaded from the North. They never fought each other till the 80s.

Israel owes lots of its earlier security before the U.S. came in to protect them to Lebanon but it seems like Israel never realized that. They want a regional war/gang up at this point. Do they think they can handle an attack from
The North, the South/Gaza, and the West (WB or Iran) all at the same time? Netanyahu is acting erratically and foolishly for political points

This is literally all bullshit.

+1

Israel has not attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people. Israel has undertaken precise action against the terrorists in Hezbollah who were actively plotting against Israel with massive support from Iran.

Unlike Gaza where Hamas enjoys broad support, the majority of people in Lebanon detest Hezbollah and the threat they’ve always presented. I mean, who wants to live under oppressive religious dictates?

Do you know any Lebanese? I assure you that your view that this was a "precise action" is one that thethat the Lebanese are not celebrating. My friend's cousin just had a baby and installed solar in their home. She has thrown out the baby monitor and unplugged the solar panels (she reported there was a solar rooftop blown up, not sure if that is true or rumor but she believes it) so they are living without electricity. The regular every day non religious fanatic Lebanese are terrified.

I know Lebanese people here with family abroad.

ICYMI: that country has been a mess forever, with blackouts and runs on banks, etc. Plus: terrorism.

I’m sure folks over there are worried about technology…probably the same way Americans worried about planes after 9/11.

But the pagers that exploded were issued to Hezbollah. Ditto for the solar panels. Unless your friend is living with a terrorist, they should be fine…just like the people I know over there.

Once products enter the marketplace there’s always going to be a secondary market.

Tired of Israeli violence and never-ending, self-serving propaganda. Don’t want to hear it and certainly don’t want to fund the psychotic, power-hungry killer Jews in the region.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip or the West Bank as much as They want Lebanon

I hope that is not true.

It is true. There was a time long ago where Lebanese liked Israelis more than Palestinians. They didn’t understand Palestinian objection to partition/Jewish immigration and The religious drama as they live with a split multifaith unity government and had many French and Armenian expats.

Israel doesn’t know how to be nice to people that are nice to them. Lebanon famously abstained from the 1948, 1967 Arab Israeli war much to the criticism of their Arab League neighbors who mockingly called them Switzerland and blamed Lebanon for being weak. Some people believed the war outcome could’ve been very very different for Israel if Lebanon invaded from the North. They never fought each other till the 80s.

Israel owes lots of its earlier security before the U.S. came in to protect them to Lebanon but it seems like Israel never realized that. They want a regional war/gang up at this point. Do they think they can handle an attack from
The North, the South/Gaza, and the West (WB or Iran) all at the same time? Netanyahu is acting erratically and foolishly for political points

This is literally all bullshit.

+1

Israel has not attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people. Israel has undertaken precise action against the terrorists in Hezbollah who were actively plotting against Israel with massive support from Iran.

Unlike Gaza where Hamas enjoys broad support, the majority of people in Lebanon detest Hezbollah and the threat they’ve always presented. I mean, who wants to live under oppressive religious dictates?

Do you know any Lebanese? I assure you that your view that this was a "precise action" is one that thethat the Lebanese are not celebrating. My friend's cousin just had a baby and installed solar in their home. She has thrown out the baby monitor and unplugged the solar panels (she reported there was a solar rooftop blown up, not sure if that is true or rumor but she believes it) so they are living without electricity. The regular every day non religious fanatic Lebanese are terrified.

I know Lebanese people here with family abroad.

ICYMI: that country has been a mess forever, with blackouts and runs on banks, etc. Plus: terrorism.

I’m sure folks over there are worried about technology…probably the same way Americans worried about planes after 9/11.

But the pagers that exploded were issued to Hezbollah. Ditto for the solar panels. Unless your friend is living with a terrorist, they should be fine…just like the people I know over there.

Once products enter the marketplace there’s always going to be a secondary market.

Tired of Israeli violence and never-ending, self-serving propaganda. Don’t want to hear it and certainly don’t want to fund the psychotic, power-hungry killer Jews in the region.

Are you American or are you posting from abroad?

You sound like a troll. Your unhinged rantings aren’t grounded in reality. And your fixation on Israel is just so weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip or the West Bank as much as They want Lebanon

I hope that is not true.

It is true. There was a time long ago where Lebanese liked Israelis more than Palestinians. They didn’t understand Palestinian objection to partition/Jewish immigration and The religious drama as they live with a split multifaith unity government and had many French and Armenian expats.

Israel doesn’t know how to be nice to people that are nice to them. Lebanon famously abstained from the 1948, 1967 Arab Israeli war much to the criticism of their Arab League neighbors who mockingly called them Switzerland and blamed Lebanon for being weak. Some people believed the war outcome could’ve been very very different for Israel if Lebanon invaded from the North. They never fought each other till the 80s.

Israel owes lots of its earlier security before the U.S. came in to protect them to Lebanon but it seems like Israel never realized that. They want a regional war/gang up at this point. Do they think they can handle an attack from
The North, the South/Gaza, and the West (WB or Iran) all at the same time? Netanyahu is acting erratically and foolishly for political points

This is literally all bullshit.

+1

Israel has not attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people. Israel has undertaken precise action against the terrorists in Hezbollah who were actively plotting against Israel with massive support from Iran.

Unlike Gaza where Hamas enjoys broad support, the majority of people in Lebanon detest Hezbollah and the threat they’ve always presented. I mean, who wants to live under oppressive religious dictates?

Do you know any Lebanese? I assure you that your view that this was a "precise action" is one that thethat the Lebanese are not celebrating. My friend's cousin just had a baby and installed solar in their home. She has thrown out the baby monitor and unplugged the solar panels (she reported there was a solar rooftop blown up, not sure if that is true or rumor but she believes it) so they are living without electricity. The regular every day non religious fanatic Lebanese are terrified.

I know Lebanese people here with family abroad.

ICYMI: that country has been a mess forever, with blackouts and runs on banks, etc. Plus: terrorism.

I’m sure folks over there are worried about technology…probably the same way Americans worried about planes after 9/11.

But the pagers that exploded were issued to Hezbollah. Ditto for the solar panels. Unless your friend is living with a terrorist, they should be fine…just like the people I know over there.

Unless they are in a grocery store or walking next to someone that Israeli AI has designated as a threat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip or the West Bank as much as They want Lebanon

I hope that is not true.

It is true. There was a time long ago where Lebanese liked Israelis more than Palestinians. They didn’t understand Palestinian objection to partition/Jewish immigration and The religious drama as they live with a split multifaith unity government and had many French and Armenian expats.

Israel doesn’t know how to be nice to people that are nice to them. Lebanon famously abstained from the 1948, 1967 Arab Israeli war much to the criticism of their Arab League neighbors who mockingly called them Switzerland and blamed Lebanon for being weak. Some people believed the war outcome could’ve been very very different for Israel if Lebanon invaded from the North. They never fought each other till the 80s.

Israel owes lots of its earlier security before the U.S. came in to protect them to Lebanon but it seems like Israel never realized that. They want a regional war/gang up at this point. Do they think they can handle an attack from
The North, the South/Gaza, and the West (WB or Iran) all at the same time? Netanyahu is acting erratically and foolishly for political points

This is literally all bullshit.

+1

Israel has not attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people. Israel has undertaken precise action against the terrorists in Hezbollah who were actively plotting against Israel with massive support from Iran.

Unlike Gaza where Hamas enjoys broad support, the majority of people in Lebanon detest Hezbollah and the threat they’ve always presented. I mean, who wants to live under oppressive religious dictates?

You are delusional.

In the 1980’s Israel blanket-bombed Lebanese, targeted water infrastructure, fermented Civil War, installed a minority puppet regime, occupied 10% of the country, etc. Does this sound familiar? Hezbollah was formed organically as guerrilla fighters organized against the Israel’s occupation of Lebanon. Israelis burned all the olive trees and planted over 130,000 mines in occupied Lebanon. Israel used the Christian minority as their puppets. When the cost became too much for the Israelis they withdrew destroying all civilian infrastructure, leaving land mines, abandoning the SLA and their Christian “allies”.

Currently Israel considers all of Lebanon a free fire zone. Israel claims they need a buffer zone but settlers are making plans. Carpet bombing, indiscriminate killings of civilians, shelling with artillery and targeting key infrastructure in Lebanon. These are all act of war and many are war crimes.

Israeli law enforcement treats Lebanon as an "enemy state". Any Israeli citizens or any other person who holds any passport bearing stamps, visas, etc associated with Lebanon are subject to arrest or detention. Polls show 97% of Lebanese having unfavorable opinion of Jews.

Lebanese hate Israel and for good reason. Who would want to live next to a genocidal terrorist state that is Israel?

Oh also note that Hezbollah a group that fought Israel’s illegal occupation of Lebanon is now classified by the US as a terrorist group?

I’m not delusional—I’m right.

I’m talking about the last year, not the 1980s. ICYMI: they’ve all been playing a bloody ping pong game of dropping bombs for hundreds of years…in the name of “religion.” Whatever.

But what’s happening now is this: Hezbollah has enjoyed easier access to substantial weaponry thanks to Iran’s munitions factories in Syria. While Hezbollah has been shooting thousands of missiles at Israel for the last year, it was clear they were ramping up. What’s happened in the last week was nothing more than a tightly controlled operation to destabilize comms and munitions. They destroyed a munitions factory in Syria last week, and then they used the pagers to hit the actual terrorists directly.

Suggesting Israel attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people is nonsense. Countering the reality and facts of today by reaching back to the 1980s is absurd and irrelevant.

Serious question: if Israel disappeared tomorrow, do you really believe everyone left standing would magically coexist and religious extremism terrorism would end? Newsflash: not a chance. The reality is fat oligarchs safely esconced in their mansions far away from the danger will always use chaos to engage the world to send buckets of money for humanitarian aid that will largely end up making these puppet masters richer and arming their brainwashed minions to fight. Jihadis gonna jihad…after all, what else do they have going on?

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That’s the problem to solve imho.

Oh this is rich. How many Lebanese have you Israel killed in the past year? Stop your lies and propaganda. When you bomb people, invade their country and kill their love ones you are at war. Israel has been at with Lebanon for over 60 years.

All you people talk about is how during the Iron Age there was a Jewish kingdom for 100 years so therefore you can take whatever you want. Now you say the people you carpet bombed and occupied in the 1980’s have no right to hold the grudge. In fact, they all love Israel Lol! The truly remarkable thing is Lebanon never attacked or joined any of the other Arab attacks against Israel. This is how Israel repays them. Hezbollah has a right to defend itself and the people of Lebanon. How many bomb factories does Israel have?

If Israel disappeared tomorrow the Palestinians could go back to their lands. This would solve the vast majority of the current problems in the Middle East. The area that makes up Israel/Palestine has always been an unimportant backwater. There are 9 million people wrongly displaced from their homes without compensation. The US is forcing the whole region through bribery, political pressure, supporting oppressive regimes and/or gun point to accept Israel. The US is on the wrong side of history.

All Hezbollah and/or Hamas needs to do is to donate hundreds of billions of dollars to the RNC and DNC over the next few weeks and suddenly, the US will jump over to the right side of history. US policy is wrongfully guided by bribery in many cases and Middle East policy is indeed skewed by special interest but that doesn't change the fact that there are terrorist organizations in the Middle East that deserve no mercy.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m reading Nancy Pelosi’s memoir (btw, so disappointing so far, I was hoping for details about her upbringing and early political career and all it is 1/4 way through is a recap of old news articles). Anyway, I am at the point t where he is discussion 9/11 and how the attack was so unexpected (despite the July report, despite the fact that the Guardian in 1999 had a 2 - page spread about Bin. Laden and his intentions). I remember how after 9/11 I thought of several ways the US was extremely vulnerable to more attacks (I don’t want to highlight here to give anyone ideas!) those remain vulnerabilities. I hope people realize that the Muslim hate incidents and continued funding to Israelto kill more people leaves us very vulnerable here at home! This is not just a conflict on foreign shores. It can very easily come here and harm us.

Um, obviously.

But the reality is that even if we cut off Israel completely, Muslim extremists would still still hate America. Why? They hate all westerners and our western ways.

ICYMI: anyone bananas enough to kill in the name of religion hates all of us normal people. They basically only accept those who adhere to their special breed of religious fanaticism. Moreover, they don’t need to sneak into the country because some of them are already here.

Sure, but don't you see that by killing /maiming non religious extremists (which certainly did happen with the pager/walkie talky strikes) we are now moving the non extremists closer to the extremist view that America is a horrible country? People in Lebanon have already experienced great trauma during their civil war - it doesn't take much to trigger them. And as long as the prevalent American attitude is the collateral damage is a-ok (or in fact let's blame it on the victims for being born and living in Lebanon/Gaza) our callousness and lack of heart is not quelling the hatred.

A Lebanese doctor was on npr basically dismissing the rumors that lots of innocent people died. He treated hundreds of injured at his hospital and confirmed they were middle aged and younger men.

Plus, women and children are sometimes used by terrorists.

I agree that the terrorists and their puppet masters in Iran will absolutely fuel misinformation among Tik tok and the masses to garner support and manipulate. Fostering hate is critical to inspiring jihad.

Can you at least admit that religious extremism and terrorism are wrong—and that’s the collective enemy any sane, functional civilization should have? If not, then I’m not sure anyone should bother to engage with you.

Of course religious extremism and terrorism are wrong! (in fact, I think the cause of much of the world's harm can be traced back to religion, even moderates). But both Israel and Islamic extremists exist and I am suggesting that Israeli's current allegiance to doubling down on every attack is not wrong morally, but also stirring up antisemitism worldwide (making Jews less safe) and increasing hatred of the US for sticking with them (and against a vast majority of the world) which is making us here in the US less safe. Is that the fault of the Islamic terrorists or the Israeli ones? I don't think there is a clear-cut answer.

PS. also at least 2 children were killed. I don't at all accept the line that the responsibility lies with Hezbollah for "hiding behind them" - the responsibility is with the person who had his/her hand on the trigger.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has no interest in the Gaza strip or the West Bank as much as They want Lebanon

I hope that is not true.

It is true. There was a time long ago where Lebanese liked Israelis more than Palestinians. They didn’t understand Palestinian objection to partition/Jewish immigration and The religious drama as they live with a split multifaith unity government and had many French and Armenian expats.

Israel doesn’t know how to be nice to people that are nice to them. Lebanon famously abstained from the 1948, 1967 Arab Israeli war much to the criticism of their Arab League neighbors who mockingly called them Switzerland and blamed Lebanon for being weak. Some people believed the war outcome could’ve been very very different for Israel if Lebanon invaded from the North. They never fought each other till the 80s.

Israel owes lots of its earlier security before the U.S. came in to protect them to Lebanon but it seems like Israel never realized that. They want a regional war/gang up at this point. Do they think they can handle an attack from
The North, the South/Gaza, and the West (WB or Iran) all at the same time? Netanyahu is acting erratically and foolishly for political points

This is literally all bullshit.

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Israel has not attacked Lebanon or the Lebanese people. Israel has undertaken precise action against the terrorists in Hezbollah who were actively plotting against Israel with massive support from Iran.

Unlike Gaza where Hamas enjoys broad support, the majority of people in Lebanon detest Hezbollah and the threat they’ve always presented. I mean, who wants to live under oppressive religious dictates?

Do you know any Lebanese? I assure you that your view that this was a "precise action" is one that thethat the Lebanese are not celebrating. My friend's cousin just had a baby and installed solar in their home. She has thrown out the baby monitor and unplugged the solar panels (she reported there was a solar rooftop blown up, not sure if that is true or rumor but she believes it) so they are living without electricity. The regular every day non religious fanatic Lebanese are terrified.

I know Lebanese people here with family abroad.

ICYMI: that country has been a mess forever, with blackouts and runs on banks, etc. Plus: terrorism.

I’m sure folks over there are worried about technology…probably the same way Americans worried about planes after 9/11.

But the pagers that exploded were issued to Hezbollah. Ditto for the solar panels. Unless your friend is living with a terrorist, they should be fine…just like the people I know over there.

Once products enter the marketplace there’s always going to be a secondary market.

Tired of Israeli violence and never-ending, self-serving propaganda. Don’t want to hear it and certainly don’t want to fund the psychotic, power-hungry killer Jews in the region.

Are you American or are you posting from abroad?

You sound like a troll. Your unhinged rantings aren’t grounded in reality. And your fixation on Israel is just so weird.

Np. Agree. I’ve reported.

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I’m ecstatic. Great week.
Carry on.