Lebanon / Israel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYTimes is reporting 8 deaths, 2700 injuries with 200 in critical condition in Lebanon. In Syria, pagers also exploded with 7 deaths in one Shia neighborhood in Damascus with strong ties to Hezbollah.

And in a further twist of irony, the identities of Hezbollah members are being exposed in the viral videos of the blast attacks and the injured being carried into hospitals. The identities of Hezbollah members in Lebanon is a closely held secret. So all these viral videos and photos is providing a trove of evidence for identifying them, which will help to capture or eliminate them at some point in the future.

Checkmate.

This is pretty clearly one of the most successful military/intelligence operations in history.

People will be reading about this 100 years from now.

Agreed. A terrorist organization hiding among the people. Now you’ve exposed most of their leadership that had these devices. With Minimal civilian casualties. The Iran ambassador even had one!

[Anonymous]

This was an absolutely remarkable operation by Israel. Mossad must have somehow infiltrated Hezbollah's supply of pagers. Apparently they were all delivered this week. Hezbollah obviously can't use cell phones, so they use pagers. It looks like 2700 pagers blew up all at the same time. About 250 Hezbollah operatives in critical condition. And the strike debilitates Hezbollah's abilities to conduct any operations for the foreseeable future.

Clearly, being allies of Iran isn't working out too well for Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Houthis. And Iran itself remains too cowardly to even try to retaliate after Israel blew up the leader of Hamas in Tehran itself. I can sense regional alliances shifting.

[Anonymous]

When Oct 7 happened, I remember a pro-Palestinian supporter explaining that the events were justified because Palestinians had been oppressed so long and so brutally by Israel. And that kind of made sense to me. Like, being oppressed to that degree could actually traumatize a person and alter their brain, where they actually thought murdering Israelis was justified.

And now, I think the same thing is happening to Israelis. I think Oct 7 was so horrific for them that they have just snapped. They’ve sort of lost their minds. And I can understand why. You can’t unsee the horror of Oct 7. I feel like Israel just doesn’t give a f—k anymore.

And who suffers the most? Civilians, including CHILDREN.

That region is in real trouble.

All that said, man, IDF has some balls to pull something like this off. Dang!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This was an absolutely remarkable operation by Israel. Mossad must have somehow infiltrated Hezbollah's supply of pagers. Apparently they were all delivered this week. Hezbollah obviously can't use cell phones, so they use pagers. It looks like 2700 pagers blew up all at the same time. About 250 Hezbollah operatives in critical condition. And the strike debilitates Hezbollah's abilities to conduct any operations for the foreseeable future.

Clearly, being allies of Iran isn't working out too well for Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Houthis. And Iran itself remains too cowardly to even try to retaliate after Israel blew up the leader of Hamas in Tehran itself. I can sense regional alliances shifting.

No. Your spidey senses are incorrect. The world is slow walking to WWIII, hoping the US will over extend themselves. Iran is patiently waiting for the signal. North Korea, Iran, China, Brazil, Russia, India all vying for their respective positions in a new world order post US supremacy. I do not believe Iran won't retaliate. I believe they are waiting for the opportune moment, when US forces are scuttled away from the Red Sea to deal with other more pertinent challenges to America's interests than protecting their pet project over there.

The new world order is coming. The clear vying for power is happening across the globe - even within the US. The world is not a safe place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYTimes is reporting 8 deaths, 2700 injuries with 200 in critical condition in Lebanon. In Syria, pagers also exploded with 7 deaths in one Shia neighborhood in Damascus with strong ties to Hezbollah.

And in a further twist of irony, the identities of Hezbollah members are being exposed in the viral videos of the blast attacks and the injured being carried into hospitals. The identities of Hezbollah members in Lebanon is a closely held secret. So all these viral videos and photos is providing a trove of evidence for identifying them, which will help to capture or eliminate them at some point in the future.

Checkmate.

This is pretty clearly one of the most successful military/intelligence operations in history.

People will be reading about this 100 years from now.

How is this different from Oct 7?

Seriously? This is international law 101.

Short answer: The pager operation attacked combatants of an enemy organization in a state of conflict. Civilian casualties were minimal.

October 7th directly targeted civilians of a nation not at war.

Two entirely different animals from a legal/moral perspective.

Not at war? By what definition? The settlements represent a steady and consistence incursion on another people.

Just because the US and Israel refuse to recognize these people as a country doesn't mean they aren't one...

You don’t get to invent legal definitions out of whole cloth. There was a ceasefire in place on 10/6.

But even were that not the case, 10/7 constituted a war crime because it targeted civilians as its primary objective.

Israel’s pager attack did not. Textbook “clean” warfare.

In your warped mind, I assume, Israel is free to disregard the "ceasefire" at their leisure? What about when Israel sends warplanes into Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and elsewhere, violating international airspace, and bombing man, woman and child? Does Israel reserve the right to treat "ceasefires" as optional in those cases, too?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYTimes is reporting 8 deaths, 2700 injuries with 200 in critical condition in Lebanon. In Syria, pagers also exploded with 7 deaths in one Shia neighborhood in Damascus with strong ties to Hezbollah.

And in a further twist of irony, the identities of Hezbollah members are being exposed in the viral videos of the blast attacks and the injured being carried into hospitals. The identities of Hezbollah members in Lebanon is a closely held secret. So all these viral videos and photos is providing a trove of evidence for identifying them, which will help to capture or eliminate them at some point in the future.

Checkmate.

This is pretty clearly one of the most successful military/intelligence operations in history.

People will be reading about this 100 years from now.

How is this different from Oct 7?

Seriously? This is international law 101.

Short answer: The pager operation attacked combatants of an enemy organization in a state of conflict. Civilian casualties were minimal.

October 7th directly targeted civilians of a nation not at war.

Two entirely different animals from a legal/moral perspective.

Not at war? By what definition? The settlements represent a steady and consistence incursion on another people.

Just because the US and Israel refuse to recognize these people as a country doesn't mean they aren't one...

You don’t get to invent legal definitions out of whole cloth. There was a ceasefire in place on 10/6.

But even were that not the case, 10/7 constituted a war crime because it targeted civilians as its primary objective.

Israel’s pager attack did not. Textbook “clean” warfare.

In your warped mind, I assume, Israel is free to disregard the "ceasefire" at their leisure? What about when Israel sends warplanes into Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and elsewhere, violating international airspace, and bombing man, woman and child? Does Israel reserve the right to treat "ceasefires" as optional in those cases, too?

(DP). Yes, I think after the horror of October 7, Israel is going to treat ceasefires as optional. Israel is going to do what Israel wants to do. I think they’re ready to go down with the ship.

[Anonymous]

So what’s next? Are the Zionists going to blow up the computers and cell phones of any Americans that criticize Israel? They already try to get all their critics cancelled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYTimes is reporting 8 deaths, 2700 injuries with 200 in critical condition in Lebanon. In Syria, pagers also exploded with 7 deaths in one Shia neighborhood in Damascus with strong ties to Hezbollah.

And in a further twist of irony, the identities of Hezbollah members are being exposed in the viral videos of the blast attacks and the injured being carried into hospitals. The identities of Hezbollah members in Lebanon is a closely held secret. So all these viral videos and photos is providing a trove of evidence for identifying them, which will help to capture or eliminate them at some point in the future.

Checkmate.

This is pretty clearly one of the most successful military/intelligence operations in history.

People will be reading about this 100 years from now.

Absolutely brilliant.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYTimes is reporting 8 deaths, 2700 injuries with 200 in critical condition in Lebanon. In Syria, pagers also exploded with 7 deaths in one Shia neighborhood in Damascus with strong ties to Hezbollah.

And in a further twist of irony, the identities of Hezbollah members are being exposed in the viral videos of the blast attacks and the injured being carried into hospitals. The identities of Hezbollah members in Lebanon is a closely held secret. So all these viral videos and photos is providing a trove of evidence for identifying them, which will help to capture or eliminate them at some point in the future.

Checkmate.

This is pretty clearly one of the most successful military/intelligence operations in history.

People will be reading about this 100 years from now.

How is this different from Oct 7?

Because it targeted terrorists?? JFC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYTimes is reporting 8 deaths, 2700 injuries with 200 in critical condition in Lebanon. In Syria, pagers also exploded with 7 deaths in one Shia neighborhood in Damascus with strong ties to Hezbollah.

And in a further twist of irony, the identities of Hezbollah members are being exposed in the viral videos of the blast attacks and the injured being carried into hospitals. The identities of Hezbollah members in Lebanon is a closely held secret. So all these viral videos and photos is providing a trove of evidence for identifying them, which will help to capture or eliminate them at some point in the future.

Checkmate.

This is pretty clearly one of the most successful military/intelligence operations in history.

People will be reading about this 100 years from now.

How is this different from Oct 7?

Seriously? This is international law 101.

Short answer: The pager operation attacked combatants of an enemy organization in a state of conflict. Civilian casualties were minimal.

October 7th directly targeted civilians of a nation not at war.

Two entirely different animals from a legal/moral perspective.

Not at war? By what definition? The settlements represent a steady and consistence incursion on another people.

Just because the US and Israel refuse to recognize these people as a country doesn't mean they aren't one...

You don’t get to invent legal definitions out of whole cloth. There was a ceasefire in place on 10/6.

But even were that not the case, 10/7 constituted a war crime because it targeted civilians as its primary objective.

Israel’s pager attack did not. Textbook “clean” warfare.

In your warped mind, I assume, Israel is free to disregard the "ceasefire" at their leisure? What about when Israel sends warplanes into Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and elsewhere, violating international airspace, and bombing man, woman and child? Does Israel reserve the right to treat "ceasefires" as optional in those cases, too?

(DP). Yes, I think after the horror of October 7, Israel is going to treat ceasefires as optional. Israel is going to do what Israel wants to do. I think they’re ready to go down with the ship.

What about before 10/7/2023? Israel has been doing whatever TF they have wanted to do, regardless of "ceasefire" status, since inception. Did someone in Israel unravel the mysteries of space time, build a time machine, and travel back to the 1920s and authorize Zionists to initiate hostilities whether or not a "ceasefire" existed?

tl/dr: GTFOH with this Israel is "the good guys" malarkey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was an absolutely remarkable operation by Israel. Mossad must have somehow infiltrated Hezbollah's supply of pagers. Apparently they were all delivered this week. Hezbollah obviously can't use cell phones, so they use pagers. It looks like 2700 pagers blew up all at the same time. About 250 Hezbollah operatives in critical condition. And the strike debilitates Hezbollah's abilities to conduct any operations for the foreseeable future.

Clearly, being allies of Iran isn't working out too well for Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Houthis. And Iran itself remains too cowardly to even try to retaliate after Israel blew up the leader of Hamas in Tehran itself. I can sense regional alliances shifting.

No. Your spidey senses are incorrect. The world is slow walking to WWIII, hoping the US will over extend themselves. Iran is patiently waiting for the signal. North Korea, Iran, China, Brazil, Russia, India all vying for their respective positions in a new world order post US supremacy. I do not believe Iran won't retaliate. I believe they are waiting for the opportune moment, when US forces are scuttled away from the Red Sea to deal with other more pertinent challenges to America's interests than protecting their pet project over there.

The new world order is coming. The clear vying for power is happening across the globe - even within the US. The world is not a safe place.

Outside of China those other countries can’t project power beyond a neighboring country. Even China is still limited on how far they can project power.

And I highly doubt Brazil is on an expansionist mission or has any dream of becoming a power in the Americas. See demographics as well on some of these countries. Russia is already on the edge is a huge demographic decline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYTimes is reporting 8 deaths, 2700 injuries with 200 in critical condition in Lebanon. In Syria, pagers also exploded with 7 deaths in one Shia neighborhood in Damascus with strong ties to Hezbollah.

And in a further twist of irony, the identities of Hezbollah members are being exposed in the viral videos of the blast attacks and the injured being carried into hospitals. The identities of Hezbollah members in Lebanon is a closely held secret. So all these viral videos and photos is providing a trove of evidence for identifying them, which will help to capture or eliminate them at some point in the future.

Checkmate.

This is pretty clearly one of the most successful military/intelligence operations in history.

People will be reading about this 100 years from now.

How is this different from Oct 7?

Seriously? This is international law 101.

Short answer: The pager operation attacked combatants of an enemy organization in a state of conflict. Civilian casualties were minimal.

October 7th directly targeted civilians of a nation not at war.

Two entirely different animals from a legal/moral perspective.

Not at war? By what definition? The settlements represent a steady and consistence incursion on another people.

Just because the US and Israel refuse to recognize these people as a country doesn't mean they aren't one...

You don’t get to invent legal definitions out of whole cloth. There was a ceasefire in place on 10/6.

But even were that not the case, 10/7 constituted a war crime because it targeted civilians as its primary objective.

Israel’s pager attack did not. Textbook “clean” warfare.

In your warped mind, I assume, Israel is free to disregard the "ceasefire" at their leisure? What about when Israel sends warplanes into Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and elsewhere, violating international airspace, and bombing man, woman and child? Does Israel reserve the right to treat "ceasefires" as optional in those cases, too?

Not at all. Israel’s attacks on Iran, Syria and Hezbollah are clearly “acts of war”.

To the extent such attacks harm civilians, they may be war crimes (depending on the facts of each case).

I’m evenhandedly applying exactly the same principles and standards (basic international law) to every party involved.

You, otoh, are motivated solely by hatred for one party. This renders you incapable of applying any objective standard or adopting a principled position.

So…who exactly is “warped”?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYTimes is reporting 8 deaths, 2700 injuries with 200 in critical condition in Lebanon. In Syria, pagers also exploded with 7 deaths in one Shia neighborhood in Damascus with strong ties to Hezbollah.

And in a further twist of irony, the identities of Hezbollah members are being exposed in the viral videos of the blast attacks and the injured being carried into hospitals. The identities of Hezbollah members in Lebanon is a closely held secret. So all these viral videos and photos is providing a trove of evidence for identifying them, which will help to capture or eliminate them at some point in the future.

Checkmate.

This is pretty clearly one of the most successful military/intelligence operations in history.

People will be reading about this 100 years from now.

How is this different from Oct 7?

Seriously? This is international law 101.

Short answer: The pager operation attacked combatants of an enemy organization in a state of conflict. Civilian casualties were minimal.

October 7th directly targeted civilians of a nation not at war.

Two entirely different animals from a legal/moral perspective.

Not at war? By what definition? The settlements represent a steady and consistence incursion on another people.

Just because the US and Israel refuse to recognize these people as a country doesn't mean they aren't one...

You don’t get to invent legal definitions out of whole cloth. There was a ceasefire in place on 10/6.

But even were that not the case, 10/7 constituted a war crime because it targeted civilians as its primary objective.

Israel’s pager attack did not. Textbook “clean” warfare.

In your warped mind, I assume, Israel is free to disregard the "ceasefire" at their leisure? What about when Israel sends warplanes into Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and elsewhere, violating international airspace, and bombing man, woman and child? Does Israel reserve the right to treat "ceasefires" as optional in those cases, too?

(DP). Yes, I think after the horror of October 7, Israel is going to treat ceasefires as optional. Israel is going to do what Israel wants to do. I think they’re ready to go down with the ship.

What about before 10/7/2023? Israel has been doing whatever TF they have wanted to do, regardless of "ceasefire" status, since inception. Did someone in Israel unravel the mysteries of space time, build a time machine, and travel back to the 1920s and authorize Zionists to initiate hostilities whether or not a "ceasefire" existed?

tl/dr: GTFOH with this Israel is "the good guys" malarkey.

PP here. I don’t think many people consider Israel the “good guys” anymore. I just meant that especially since 10/6, Israel has truly run out of f—ks to give. They’re going to do whatever they want, even if it means destroying their country and wreaking havoc in the region. These days, they don’t seem that different than Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. At least that’s how I see it.

[Anonymous]

Because you don't see the difference between terrorists and a sovereign nation trying to eliminate threats against it. It is inconvenient that those threats are actual people but there you are.

[Anonymous]

What a smart move Israel. Now, you get to bomb the hospitals in Lebanon as the fighters are recovering there. You bomb the fighters and then send them to hospitals, so now you get to bomb hospitals again in yet another neighboring country because Hezbollah fighters are "hiding there" and "are legitimate military targets".

Christ, you people NEED Jesus (says a guy who hasn't thought about religion in several decades).