Will Trump drop Vance?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vance tried to back track on his "childless cat ladies" remark. Not very convincingly, I might add.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/kamala-harris-trump-election-07-26-24#h_eced3524d9527565879bbc58c09073e5

Can't wait until Ben Shapiro, Tucker, and the other right wingers double down and say Vance was actually 100% right.

uh oh... Ben Shapiro is officially off the Vance train... holy cow this thing is going down in flames!

PP here - I don't see that as off the Vance train at all. He just tried to soften what Vance said but also reaffirmed it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He can't at this point. The delegates have voted and there is no mechanism to change it.

Well on the other hand, it is the party of authoritarians, so I guess Trump will do whatever he wants, though dumping Trump puts Ohio and Appalachia in play.

Ouch.

No, no, no... he absolutely can. The GOP like the DNC makes its own rules and it can rewrite them. But given how poorly the GOP seemed to understand that with Biden's departure, it will cause a meltdown. The easiest way to make this happen is Vance to quit, citing sort of personal issue—maybe say his wife has breast cancer or something. So, look for that.

Then Vance would need to quit the senate too, not going to happen.

And the Dems didn't rewrite any rules. If Biden had passed away or had to be hospitalized on Sunday, instead of just quitting the campaign, the result would have been exactly the same, except Harris would be president for the rest of the term as well.

This is a bit disingenuous and I think you know that.
I don't think it's the wisest move to say voting for a ticket is the same as wanting number 2 to be the president in non emergent situations
This kind of reasoning could become a problem for us in the future.

When you have a candidate as elderly, frail and in declining health as Trump, you have to consider it. Trump looks like he wouldn't make it more than maybe 18 months before either passing away from a medical issue or becoming incapacitated—a stroke, dementia, etc.

+1 And Vance has only a year and a half in the Senate, the least government experience of anyone who was considered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vance tried to back track on his "childless cat ladies" remark. Not very convincingly, I might add.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/kamala-harris-trump-election-07-26-24#h_eced3524d9527565879bbc58c09073e5

Can't wait until Ben Shapiro, Tucker, and the other right wingers double down and say Vance was actually 100% right.

uh oh... Ben Shapiro is officially off the Vance train... holy cow this thing is going down in flames!

PP here - I don't see that as off the Vance train at all. He just tried to soften what Vance said but also reaffirmed it.

anything short of the full-throated gloating that the MAGA jerks were doing in the days after the announcement is a serious sign for Vance. That kind of language he's using, even if it's COUCHED in friendly musing, is opening the door for criticism, it's acknowledging there are serious questions about Vance...

[Anonymous]

Here's some disturbing Vance audio where he suggests there needs to be a federal crackdown to restrict women from freely traveling between states.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He can't at this point. The delegates have voted and there is no mechanism to change it.

Well on the other hand, it is the party of authoritarians, so I guess Trump will do whatever he wants, though dumping Trump puts Ohio and Appalachia in play.

Ouch.

No, no, no... he absolutely can. The GOP like the DNC makes its own rules and it can rewrite them. But given how poorly the GOP seemed to understand that with Biden's departure, it will cause a meltdown. The easiest way to make this happen is Vance to quit, citing sort of personal issue—maybe say his wife has breast cancer or something. So, look for that.

Then Vance would need to quit the senate too, not going to happen.

And the Dems didn't rewrite any rules. If Biden had passed away or had to be hospitalized on Sunday, instead of just quitting the campaign, the result would have been exactly the same, except Harris would be president for the rest of the term as well.

This is a bit disingenuous and I think you know that.
I don't think it's the wisest move to say voting for a ticket is the same as wanting number 2 to be the president in non emergent situations
This kind of reasoning could become a problem for us in the future.

When you have a candidate as elderly, frail and in declining health as Trump, you have to consider it. Trump looks like he wouldn't make it more than maybe 18 months before either passing away from a medical issue or becoming incapacitated—a stroke, dementia, etc.

+1 And Vance has only a year and a half in the Senate, the least government experience of anyone who was considered.

he's a big supporter of tariffs, so a president vance means a return to the high inflation Trump set off and Biden worked so hard to get under control.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a rumor that Trump is replacing him with Haley so he can get her voters. I don't see happ as they voted for her because they didn't want Trump.

It's too late. If he puts Haley in, he looks like a horrible leader with bad judgement who is bringing someone in because *cough* she is a woman. So a DEI hire, right? If Trump and his team felt Vance is the best guy for the job, then they need to stick with him.

It’s not too late. Fox, WSJ, Breitbart, Daily Wire, and Newsmax would love it. WSJ literally published editorials begging him to pick Haley as VP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a rumor that Trump is replacing him with Haley so he can get her voters. I don't see happ as they voted for her because they didn't want Trump.

It's too late. If he puts Haley in, he looks like a horrible leader with bad judgement who is bringing someone in because *cough* she is a woman. So a DEI hire, right? If Trump and his team felt Vance is the best guy for the job, then they need to stick with him.

He should have selected Haley from the start. Why didn’t he? It was a huge mistake.

Sr has already leaked to outlets that picking Vance was Eric and Jr’s fault. lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a rumor that Trump is replacing him with Haley so he can get her voters. I don't see happ as they voted for her because they didn't want Trump.

It's too late. If he puts Haley in, he looks like a horrible leader with bad judgement who is bringing someone in because *cough* she is a woman. So a DEI hire, right? If Trump and his team felt Vance is the best guy for the job, then they need to stick with him.

He should have selected Haley from the start. Why didn’t he? It was a huge mistake.

Sr has already leaked to outlets that picking Vance was Eric and Jr’s fault. lol

Yeah, that's interesting. It's a bit of a conundrum what he'll do... on the one hand, he's an extremely disloyal person and he has ZERO compunction about dropping someone from his inner circle. JD Vance is a senator because after months or even years of Trump drooling over Josh Mandel, someone whispered to Trump that Mandel has some terrible sex secret. Nothing has surfaced, but it was enough for Trump to drop him like a box of rocks and endorse Vance.

On the other hand though, when challenged, Trump HATE HATE HATES to be seen as reversing course for ANYTHING. I think SO many of his problems would've been resolved if he was capable of doing this.

I think there's a good chance that he refuses to ditch Vance because A) it's hard work B) it's almost certainly a death knell for the campaign C) he doesn't want to be seen as bending to pressure, but that by election day he's in a state of full on warfare with Vance, with the two of them campaigning separately, Vance being his usual uncharismatic oily self praising Trump, and Trump taking the stage to spend the first 1.5 hours of his rally talking trash about "Comfy Couch JD as I like to call him... what a crook folks, what a crook" and never mentioning Harris.

[Anonymous]

I've never see a campaign crash and burn as quickly as Trump is doing this month. Two weeks ago, it looked like it would be a landslide for Republicans. Trump was winning all the battleground states - and then Virginia, NH, New Jersey, Minnesota and so on. Easy win for Republicans across the board.

And then he picks JD Vance, a repellent grifter who appeals to no one except the basement dwellers listening to Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate. It's as if Trump was going out of his way to drive off every woman in America. Clearly, the Trump team did no vetting at all. And now with Harris in, Trump/Vance look awful in comparison, a real freak show where every day the press digs up yet another clip of Vance being a pompous ass.

In the end, the Vance pick is what will have saved America from four more years of Trump. Best decision ever. Thank goodness for the wisdom of Don Trump Jr.

[Anonymous]

I don't hate cats. I do t hate dogs. I have a dog.

Not the speech that moves hearts and minds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's some disturbing Vance audio where he suggests there needs to be a federal crackdown to restrict women from freely traveling between states.

How could you enforce this? Not let any woman travel?

[Anonymous]

Are there any normal jd ex’s out there?

I find it very odd dude is a white millennial dude from flyover country and there is no record of him having normal adjusted ex’s besides suddenly marrying usha?

Pretty white girls (who have options) probably steered clear of him his whole life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there any normal jd ex’s out there?

I find it very odd dude is a white millennial dude from flyover country and there is no record of him having normal adjusted ex’s besides suddenly marrying usha?

Pretty white girls (who have options) probably steered clear of him his whole life

Why would any exes come forward?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've never see a campaign crash and burn as quickly as Trump is doing this month. Two weeks ago, it looked like it would be a landslide for Republicans. Trump was winning all the battleground states - and then Virginia, NH, New Jersey, Minnesota and so on. Easy win for Republicans across the board.

And then he picks JD Vance, a repellent grifter who appeals to no one except the basement dwellers listening to Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate. It's as if Trump was going out of his way to drive off every woman in America. Clearly, the Trump team did no vetting at all. And now with Harris in, Trump/Vance look awful in comparison, a real freak show where every day the press digs up yet another clip of Vance being a pompous ass.

In the end, the Vance pick is what will have saved America from four more years of Trump. Best decision ever. Thank goodness for the wisdom of Don Trump Jr.

Well... first of all. The stuff about him winning NJ is complete nonsense. But he had traction that he never had before, that IS true.

Here's what happened—Trump offered it Ben Carson, who accepted. But then Biden appeared dead in the water, a rout looked like it was on their way, and Don Jr and Eric started agitating to not go for the DEI pick, to go for the guy who will make libs cry—this election is an easy layup, turn it into a dunk by picking this real SOB. They got REAL high on their own supply. They ignored the grownups who said they needed to appeal to women or minorities, they ignored the people who said that Vance is the mortal enemy of the financial industry which is the single biggest source of donations for the GOP and who would pull donations from down ticket campaigns.

And that's all before the possibility that he romances furniture, hates cats, hates women, etc., took over the election cycle.

Huge, huge misstep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's some disturbing Vance audio where he suggests there needs to be a federal crackdown to restrict women from freely traveling between states.

How could you enforce this? Not let any woman travel?

Have you seen The Handmaid's Tale?