US has no good options in Ukraine

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Anonymous wrote:Ironic that Biden threatens to cancel Norddtream2 if Russia crosses into Ukraine, just like he did to Keystroke in January 2020

Yes. It's a marvel to see a country across the ocean threatening an agreement two OTHER countries have made voluntarily and to a mutual benefit.

Well, if one of those two countries repeatedly bullies neighbouring countries... occupies their territories, kills their citizens, keeps whole nations afraid... Should the rest of the world just watch and mumble about 'mutual benefit'? Sheesh.

Sorry but no one bullies other countries like the US. Look in the mirroirs

I am Ukrainian. The U.S. have never bullied my country. They have been supporting us, big time, for which we are deeply and truly grateful.

Well why don't we invite someone from Cuba, Iran or Venezuela? And they can tell you all about America making their countries great. We can invite someone from Yemen too - maybe even fly a child coffin in for greater impact.

Those countries have nothing to say about America not making them great. They rejected the US and took their own bad path and are now significantly worse off for it. If anything, Cuba and Venezuela should be a cautionary tale of what it means to hope Russia will make you great.

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Every country wants to join NATO. My sister's former job was to fly around to the former Soviet Union countries and work with people in their countries on their NATO applications.

She entertained the top tier military in each country.

Believe me, all of these countries want to be in NATO.

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Anonymous wrote:Every country wants to join NATO. My sister's former job was to fly around to the former Soviet Union countries and work with people in their countries on their NATO applications.

She entertained the top tier military in each country.

Believe me, all of these countries want to be in NATO.

Yup. Every country that has any experience with Russian rule or Russian political dominance wants protection from them.

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Those countries have nothing to say about America not making them great. They rejected the US and took their own bad path and are now significantly worse off for it. If anything, Cuba and Venezuela should be a cautionary tale of what it means to hope Russia will make you great.

Aren't you overlooking something? These countries didn't become worse off by themselves. America helped them become significantly worse off - by preventing normal trade with the rest of the world, by sanctioning economic activity that brings prosperity, by confiscating or freezing state assets, and by starving and bombing children and finishing off whoever's left with fully preventable diseases. Don't pretend they became worse off without American intervention because that's not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Various news outlets are reporting that Putin has decided to invade Ukraine next week and has communicated that to his military commanders.

Right, it doesn't matter how many times actual Ukrainian officials has asked the world to shut the F up, America must continue beating its war drum.

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Those countries have nothing to say about America not making them great. They rejected the US and took their own bad path and are now significantly worse off for it. If anything, Cuba and Venezuela should be a cautionary tale of what it means to hope Russia will make you great.

Aren't you overlooking something? These countries didn't become worse off by themselves. America helped them become significantly worse off - by preventing normal trade with the rest of the world, by sanctioning economic activity that brings prosperity, by confiscating or freezing state assets, and by starving and bombing children and finishing off whoever's left with fully preventable diseases. Don't pretend they became worse off without American intervention because that's not true.

If you compare Cuba to the other populous Island in the Caribbean, the one where the US has repeatedly overthrown governments and been extensively involved, Cuba doesn't look so bad by comparison

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Anonymous wrote:Ironic that Biden threatens to cancel Norddtream2 if Russia crosses into Ukraine, just like he did to Keystroke in January 2020

Yes. It's a marvel to see a country across the ocean threatening an agreement two OTHER countries have made voluntarily and to a mutual benefit.

Well, if one of those two countries repeatedly bullies neighbouring countries... occupies their territories, kills their citizens, keeps whole nations afraid... Should the rest of the world just watch and mumble about 'mutual benefit'? Sheesh.

Sorry but no one bullies other countries like the US. Look in the mirroirs

I am Ukrainian. The U.S. have never bullied my country. They have been supporting us, big time, for which we are deeply and truly grateful.

Yet your country insists on being able to collect gas transit fees as if it's an entitlement, and throws a tantrum when this line of revenue is in question. Why is that?

DP - they allow other countries to run pipes through their country, why shouldn't they be entitled to fees for that?

They are entitled to do that. But if the other country finds an alternative (that would leave them without income), they are not entitled to fight that option. That's the entire reason Ukraine is fighting Nord Stream. Not for security or growing influence or whatever. Plain and simple, if Russia doesn't have to go through Ukraine to ship gas to Germany, Ukraine loses transit revenue. And they hate this idea, and they are fighting it under political pretexts.

It's like Fuji apple staging a coup because you decided to switch to Granny Smith.

What? Why not? Of course they can fight that.

Is this some absurd conspiracy theory that Ukraine is trying to start a war with Russia so they can keep gas fees? That sounds like straight up Russian propaganda, and it's not going to fall anyone here.

No one said that's the reason Ukraine is trying to start a war with Russia. You made that all up.

Ukraine is fighting Nord Stream 2 because it doesn't want to lose the revenues from transit fees. But of course it doesn't quite look sympathetic to say "I want to force Russia to trade with me", so a story about energy independence and European security and their grandmother had to be made up.

And of course, the US would very much like to keep supplying Europe with its own LNG, which is about 25 cents more expensive than the Nord Stream-supplied gas would be.

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Anonymous wrote:Every country wants to join NATO. My sister's former job was to fly around to the former Soviet Union countries and work with people in their countries on their NATO applications.

She entertained the top tier military in each country.

Believe me, all of these countries want to be in NATO.

Yup. Every country that has any experience with Russian rule or Russian political dominance wants protection from them.

Too bad for them the American, German, Dutch, and British parents aren't enthused about sending their children to die ensuring that a country they have barely ever heard of is dominated by Russia

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Those countries have nothing to say about America not making them great. They rejected the US and took their own bad path and are now significantly worse off for it. If anything, Cuba and Venezuela should be a cautionary tale of what it means to hope Russia will make you great.

Aren't you overlooking something? These countries didn't become worse off by themselves. America helped them become significantly worse off - by preventing normal trade with the rest of the world, by sanctioning economic activity that brings prosperity, by confiscating or freezing state assets, and by starving and bombing children and finishing off whoever's left with fully preventable diseases. Don't pretend they became worse off without American intervention because that's not true.

If you compare Cuba to the other populous Island in the Caribbean, the one where the US has repeatedly overthrown governments and been extensively involved, Cuba doesn't look so bad by comparison

Well hey, compare it to Yemen with its thousands of kids dying of starvation or cholera under America-approved bombing, and Cuba looks like a freaking Club Med!

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Anonymous wrote:Ironic that Biden threatens to cancel Norddtream2 if Russia crosses into Ukraine, just like he did to Keystroke in January 2020

Yes. It's a marvel to see a country across the ocean threatening an agreement two OTHER countries have made voluntarily and to a mutual benefit.

Well, if one of those two countries repeatedly bullies neighbouring countries... occupies their territories, kills their citizens, keeps whole nations afraid... Should the rest of the world just watch and mumble about 'mutual benefit'? Sheesh.

Sorry but no one bullies other countries like the US. Look in the mirroirs

I am Ukrainian. The U.S. have never bullied my country. They have been supporting us, big time, for which we are deeply and truly grateful.

Yet your country insists on being able to collect gas transit fees as if it's an entitlement, and throws a tantrum when this line of revenue is in question. Why is that?

DP - they allow other countries to run pipes through their country, why shouldn't they be entitled to fees for that?

They are entitled to do that. But if the other country finds an alternative (that would leave them without income), they are not entitled to fight that option. That's the entire reason Ukraine is fighting Nord Stream. Not for security or growing influence or whatever. Plain and simple, if Russia doesn't have to go through Ukraine to ship gas to Germany, Ukraine loses transit revenue. And they hate this idea, and they are fighting it under political pretexts.

It's like Fuji apple staging a coup because you decided to switch to Granny Smith.

What? Why not? Of course they can fight that.

Is this some absurd conspiracy theory that Ukraine is trying to start a war with Russia so they can keep gas fees? That sounds like straight up Russian propaganda, and it's not going to fall anyone here.

No one said that's the reason Ukraine is trying to start a war with Russia. You made that all up.

Ukraine is fighting Nord Stream 2 because it doesn't want to lose the revenues from transit fees. But of course it doesn't quite look sympathetic to say "I want to force Russia to trade with me", so a story about energy independence and European security and their grandmother had to be made up.

And of course, the US would very much like to keep supplying Europe with its own LNG, which is about 25 cents more expensive than the Nord Stream-supplied gas would be.

How exactly is Ukraine doing that?

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How exactly is Ukraine doing that?

By giving interviews like this:

"Look, the Ukrainian position is very clear. Europe does not need this pipeline, so it is a 100% politically motivated project. If your question is whether this pipeline should be turned on - ever - then our answer is no.

"It cannot be used as a weapon against Ukraine, but also against EU member states because the more leverage that Russia has, the less that Europe is secure."

https://news.sky.com/story/nord-stream-2-ukraine-insists-controversial-pipeline-linking-germany-and-russia-should-never-open-12537512

I mean of course he can't say, the Ukraine doesn't want this pipeline because we'll lose money. No country wants to be seen as chasing the benjamins. So it has to be presented as a threat security independence contain...something!

Now, explain again why Russia shouldn't be allowed send its gas directly to Germany bypassing Ukraine? When Germany is very much in favor? And why would any country except Russia and Germany even be allowed to have an opinion?

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So Ukraine issued a statement?

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Those countries have nothing to say about America not making them great. They rejected the US and took their own bad path and are now significantly worse off for it. If anything, Cuba and Venezuela should be a cautionary tale of what it means to hope Russia will make you great.

Aren't you overlooking something? These countries didn't become worse off by themselves. America helped them become significantly worse off - by preventing normal trade with the rest of the world, by sanctioning economic activity that brings prosperity, by confiscating or freezing state assets, and by starving and bombing children and finishing off whoever's left with fully preventable diseases. Don't pretend they became worse off without American intervention because that's not true.

If you compare Cuba to the other populous Island in the Caribbean, the one where the US has repeatedly overthrown governments and been extensively involved, Cuba doesn't look so bad by comparison

Hispaniola? Lol. Haiti and the DR are very pro-American and would love any opportunity for closer relations. Heck, if given the choice 90% of the island would take US citizenship in a heartbeat. Even Vietnam prefers the US to China (or Russia). Why? Because we're not complete overbearing assholes.

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Anonymous wrote:Various news outlets are reporting that Putin has decided to invade Ukraine next week and has communicated that to his military commanders.

Putin has readied his invasion force and plans to attack a smaller nation which is of now threat whatsoever to him.

Why is the world not standing up to Putin’s murderous imperialism?

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Anonymous wrote:Various news outlets are reporting that Putin has decided to invade Ukraine next week and has communicated that to his military commanders.

Putin has readied his invasion force and plans to attack a smaller nation which is of now threat whatsoever to him.

Why is the world not standing up to Putin’s murderous imperialism?

Because he hasn't done it yet. The world will stand with Ukraine if he invades (again) but there is nothing more we can do unless he acts.