US has no good options in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Someone should really start a new thread with the simple question:

1) I favor a violent Russian Military invasion of tiny Ukraine, or

2) I favor peace.

Pick one.

There are no other angles here.

No, it is not complicated. It really isn’t. You want WAR or you don’t.

1. And I further support Russian involvement in the balkans. Russia is a great power.

2. China should take Taiwan

3. Índia should take Kashmir and smash Pakistan

4. Israel should send the Palestinians to Saudi Arabia or Jordan and take over the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip

5. Us, uk, Australia, Canada and NZ should have a free trade and free movement alliance.

I take it you play a lot of video games. Millions of people die in your scenario and thermonuclear war breaks out.

Or tic-tac-toe

[Anonymous]

Crazy how misinformed this thread is. It is the German government - the recipient end of the Nordstream pipeline which is stating Nordstream II is dead if Russia further invades Ukraine (beyond that which it has already invaded in Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea.)

All European NATO partners, who would also normally benefit by being able to buy Russia gas, have also agreed to the German position, as does the US, the essential NATO partner.

The cancellation of Nordstream is not something the US is imposing on German, and certainly not something the US will accomplish by force or bombing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ironic that Biden threatens to cancel Norddtream2 if Russia crosses into Ukraine, just like he did to Keystroke in January 2020

Yes. It's a marvel to see a country across the ocean threatening an agreement two OTHER countries have made voluntarily and to a mutual benefit.

Well, if one of those two countries repeatedly bullies neighbouring countries... occupies their territories, kills their citizens, keeps whole nations afraid... Should the rest of the world just watch and mumble about 'mutual benefit'? Sheesh.

Sorry but no one bullies other countries like the US. Look in the mirroirs

I am Ukrainian. The U.S. have never bullied my country. They have been supporting us, big time, for which we are deeply and truly grateful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ironic that Biden threatens to cancel Norddtream2 if Russia crosses into Ukraine, just like he did to Keystroke in January 2020

Yes. It's a marvel to see a country across the ocean threatening an agreement two OTHER countries have made voluntarily and to a mutual benefit.

Well, if one of those two countries repeatedly bullies neighbouring countries... occupies their territories, kills their citizens, keeps whole nations afraid... Should the rest of the world just watch and mumble about 'mutual benefit'? Sheesh.

Sorry but no one bullies other countries like the US. Look in the mirroirs

I am Ukrainian. The U.S. have never bullied my country. They have been supporting us, big time, for which we are deeply and truly grateful.

Yet your country insists on being able to collect gas transit fees as if it's an entitlement, and throws a tantrum when this line of revenue is in question. Why is that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ironic that Biden threatens to cancel Norddtream2 if Russia crosses into Ukraine, just like he did to Keystroke in January 2020

Yes. It's a marvel to see a country across the ocean threatening an agreement two OTHER countries have made voluntarily and to a mutual benefit.

Well, if one of those two countries repeatedly bullies neighbouring countries... occupies their territories, kills their citizens, keeps whole nations afraid... Should the rest of the world just watch and mumble about 'mutual benefit'? Sheesh.

Sorry but no one bullies other countries like the US. Look in the mirroirs

I am Ukrainian. The U.S. have never bullied my country. They have been supporting us, big time, for which we are deeply and truly grateful.

Well why don't we invite someone from Cuba, Iran or Venezuela? And they can tell you all about America making their countries great. We can invite someone from Yemen too - maybe even fly a child coffin in for greater impact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ironic that Biden threatens to cancel Norddtream2 if Russia crosses into Ukraine, just like he did to Keystroke in January 2020

Yes. It's a marvel to see a country across the ocean threatening an agreement two OTHER countries have made voluntarily and to a mutual benefit.

Well, if one of those two countries repeatedly bullies neighbouring countries... occupies their territories, kills their citizens, keeps whole nations afraid... Should the rest of the world just watch and mumble about 'mutual benefit'? Sheesh.

Sorry but no one bullies other countries like the US. Look in the mirroirs

I am Ukrainian. The U.S. have never bullied my country. They have been supporting us, big time, for which we are deeply and truly grateful.

Yet your country insists on being able to collect gas transit fees as if it's an entitlement, and throws a tantrum when this line of revenue is in question. Why is that?

DP - they allow other countries to run pipes through their country, why shouldn't they be entitled to fees for that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ironic that Biden threatens to cancel Norddtream2 if Russia crosses into Ukraine, just like he did to Keystroke in January 2020

Yes. It's a marvel to see a country across the ocean threatening an agreement two OTHER countries have made voluntarily and to a mutual benefit.

Well, if one of those two countries repeatedly bullies neighbouring countries... occupies their territories, kills their citizens, keeps whole nations afraid... Should the rest of the world just watch and mumble about 'mutual benefit'? Sheesh.

Sorry but no one bullies other countries like the US. Look in the mirroirs

I am Ukrainian. The U.S. have never bullied my country. They have been supporting us, big time, for which we are deeply and truly grateful.

Yet your country insists on being able to collect gas transit fees as if it's an entitlement, and throws a tantrum when this line of revenue is in question. Why is that?

DP - they allow other countries to run pipes through their country, why shouldn't they be entitled to fees for that?

They are entitled to do that. But if the other country finds an alternative (that would leave them without income), they are not entitled to fight that option. That's the entire reason Ukraine is fighting Nord Stream. Not for security or growing influence or whatever. Plain and simple, if Russia doesn't have to go through Ukraine to ship gas to Germany, Ukraine loses transit revenue. And they hate this idea, and they are fighting it under political pretexts.

It's like Fuji apple staging a coup because you decided to switch to Granny Smith.

[Anonymous]

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They are entitled to do that. But if the other country finds an alternative (that would leave them without income), they are not entitled to fight that option. That's the entire reason Ukraine is fighting Nord Stream. Not for security or growing influence or whatever. Plain and simple, if Russia doesn't have to go through Ukraine to ship gas to Germany, Ukraine loses transit revenue. And they hate this idea, and they are fighting it under political pretexts.

It's like Fuji apple staging a coup because you decided to switch to Granny Smith.

And somehow Ukraine got Russia to move troops and weapons closer to the Ukrainian border? Diabolical! I wonder if Russia even knows?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
They are entitled to do that. But if the other country finds an alternative (that would leave them without income), they are not entitled to fight that option. That's the entire reason Ukraine is fighting Nord Stream. Not for security or growing influence or whatever. Plain and simple, if Russia doesn't have to go through Ukraine to ship gas to Germany, Ukraine loses transit revenue. And they hate this idea, and they are fighting it under political pretexts.

It's like Fuji apple staging a coup because you decided to switch to Granny Smith.

And somehow Ukraine got Russia to move troops and weapons closer to the Ukrainian border? Diabolical! I wonder if Russia even knows?!

Nobody says that.

However, Ukraine's opposition to Nord Stream 2 is public knowledge, and now you know why.

[Anonymous]

“Mr. Biden has a few flaws but he was a child of the Cold War and, unless I’m mistaken, has surprised and discombobulated Vladimir Putin with his un-Obama-like response to renewed tensions over Ukraine, including, on Monday, whipping a German chancellor into line. By sending military supplies to Ukraine, by deploying troops to Eastern Europe, by preparing sanctions, the Biden administration has orchestrated a set of signals that even Mr. Putin can’t misinterpret.

Whatever the Russian leader is thinking, he hoped to find the U.S. and its allies weak and divided. This is proving a bad bet so far.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-cold-warrior-russia-nato-putin-ukraine-crimea-donbas-germany-aid-president-scholz-11644353348?st=cg4o6fu3i5u360m&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Mr. Biden has a few flaws but he was a child of the Cold War and, unless I’m mistaken, has surprised and discombobulated Vladimir Putin with his un-Obama-like response to renewed tensions over Ukraine, including, on Monday, whipping a German chancellor into line. By sending military supplies to Ukraine, by deploying troops to Eastern Europe, by preparing sanctions, the Biden administration has orchestrated a set of signals that even Mr. Putin can’t misinterpret.

Whatever the Russian leader is thinking, he hoped to find the U.S. and its allies weak and divided. This is proving a bad bet so far.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-cold-warrior-russia-nato-putin-ukraine-crimea-donbas-germany-aid-president-scholz-11644353348?st=cg4o6fu3i5u360m&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Yup. The Biden administration and our allies have been handling this pretty well.

Even our friendly local apparatchiks are discombobulated by the response.

[Anonymous]

Various news outlets are reporting that Putin has decided to invade Ukraine next week and has communicated that to his military commanders.

[Anonymous]

Putin has to go in.

Only Fukuyama types don’t get this.

He had to go in from the start!

If us intelligence hired more second gen Americans instead of dinging them during security clearance process, we would understand foreign positions much more clearly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ironic that Biden threatens to cancel Norddtream2 if Russia crosses into Ukraine, just like he did to Keystroke in January 2020

Yes. It's a marvel to see a country across the ocean threatening an agreement two OTHER countries have made voluntarily and to a mutual benefit.

Well, if one of those two countries repeatedly bullies neighbouring countries... occupies their territories, kills their citizens, keeps whole nations afraid... Should the rest of the world just watch and mumble about 'mutual benefit'? Sheesh.

Sorry but no one bullies other countries like the US. Look in the mirroirs

I am Ukrainian. The U.S. have never bullied my country. They have been supporting us, big time, for which we are deeply and truly grateful.

Yet your country insists on being able to collect gas transit fees as if it's an entitlement, and throws a tantrum when this line of revenue is in question. Why is that?

DP - they allow other countries to run pipes through their country, why shouldn't they be entitled to fees for that?

They are entitled to do that. But if the other country finds an alternative (that would leave them without income), they are not entitled to fight that option. That's the entire reason Ukraine is fighting Nord Stream. Not for security or growing influence or whatever. Plain and simple, if Russia doesn't have to go through Ukraine to ship gas to Germany, Ukraine loses transit revenue. And they hate this idea, and they are fighting it under political pretexts.

It's like Fuji apple staging a coup because you decided to switch to Granny Smith.

What? Why not? Of course they can fight that.

Is this some absurd conspiracy theory that Ukraine is trying to start a war with Russia so they can keep gas fees? That sounds like straight up Russian propaganda, and it's not going to fall anyone here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ironic that Biden threatens to cancel Norddtream2 if Russia crosses into Ukraine, just like he did to Keystroke in January 2020

Yes. It's a marvel to see a country across the ocean threatening an agreement two OTHER countries have made voluntarily and to a mutual benefit.

Well, if one of those two countries repeatedly bullies neighbouring countries... occupies their territories, kills their citizens, keeps whole nations afraid... Should the rest of the world just watch and mumble about 'mutual benefit'? Sheesh.

Sorry but no one bullies other countries like the US. Look in the mirroirs

I am Ukrainian. The U.S. have never bullied my country. They have been supporting us, big time, for which we are deeply and truly grateful.

Yet your country insists on being able to collect gas transit fees as if it's an entitlement, and throws a tantrum when this line of revenue is in question. Why is that?

DP - they allow other countries to run pipes through their country, why shouldn't they be entitled to fees for that?

They are entitled to do that. But if the other country finds an alternative (that would leave them without income), they are not entitled to fight that option. That's the entire reason Ukraine is fighting Nord Stream. Not for security or growing influence or whatever. Plain and simple, if Russia doesn't have to go through Ukraine to ship gas to Germany, Ukraine loses transit revenue. And they hate this idea, and they are fighting it under political pretexts.

It's like Fuji apple staging a coup because you decided to switch to Granny Smith.

What? Why not? Of course they can fight that.

Is this some absurd conspiracy theory that Ukraine is trying to start a war with Russia so they can keep gas fees? That sounds like straight up Russian propaganda, and it's not going to fall anyone here.

+1 So stupid.