SCOTUS: oral arguments for Dobbs v. Jackson (MS abortion case)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the reason that carrying a child to term and then placing the baby up for adoption is mentally harmful, causes feelings of regret and sadness, vs aborting the baby and not having mental harm and feelings of regret and sadness?

If religious people use the state to violate your bodily integrity against your will for nine months, but really for all time given the fact that pregnancy and birth causes all kinds of changes in a woman’s body, do you think that that might cause mental harm?

<Rape trigger warning> For another example: rape hurts. Sex a woman wants usually does not. Rape is not necessarily any more violent than regular intercourse (though it can be), it’s the overwhelming of your rights as a person to say no, “I do not want this,” the violation of your body, every fiber of your brain screams against it (and frequently people’s body’s, too). This is the same thing. A thing undertaken with your consent is different than a thing undertaken against your consent. The state, even acting as a proxy for the religious feelings of forced birth misogynists, does not have the right to compel a citizen to use their body to grow a human against their will just like they can’t force us to donate a kidney, liver parts, marrow or even blood.

There was nothing about rape in either example. It was plainly about a teenage girl who had become pregnant and carried the baby to term and placed the baby for adoption vs aborted the baby.

Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

PP is equating pro-birthers to rapists.

People who want to force women to do something they don’t want to do.

An apt comparison.

I am asking why once a woman is already pregnant it is considered more traumatic to carry the baby to term and adopt him or her into a family than aborting and ending the life of your own child. There was no rape in 99% of cases women seek abortion.

Nothing, if there is consent. But outlawing abortion removes consent. Some women do not want to be pregnant but get pregnant by mistake, or want to be pregnant but find out that they cannot safely maintain the pregnancy. They need the have the choice to continue a pregnancy or not. Why is this hard?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regarding “the left hasn’t won the abortion debate”


That is not true. 70% of Americans support Roe.
The left has absolutely won the debate.
And as for legislation being passed to solidify Roe, does anyone think those laws wouldn’t be struck down by this court?

This^^^.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The “moderate” and “reasonable” voices on here sound like either women in total and complete denial of what’s happening or like forced birthers who don’t like the fact that their disgusting politics are laid bare.

Both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the reason that carrying a child to term and then placing the baby up for adoption is mentally harmful, causes feelings of regret and sadness, vs aborting the baby and not having mental harm and feelings of regret and sadness?

Have you ever been pregnant? A pregnancy ending before 12 weeks is a minor procedure, and yes it may cause feelings of sadness for some women, but you can physically recover pretty quickly. A full-term pregnancy and childbirth alters the body and sometimes damages it extremely. Giving away a full-term infant can be devastating even if it's for the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the reason that carrying a child to term and then placing the baby up for adoption is mentally harmful, causes feelings of regret and sadness, vs aborting the baby and not having mental harm and feelings of regret and sadness?

Have you ever been pregnant? A pregnancy ending before 12 weeks is a minor procedure, and yes it may cause feelings of sadness for some women, but you can physically recover pretty quickly. A full-term pregnancy and childbirth alters the body and sometimes damages it extremely. Giving away a full-term infant can be devastating even if it's for the best.

And adoptive parents as well as adult adoptees are going nuts on twitter about the fact that Republicans are pretending that adoption is some universally marvelous option that always works out for the adoptee. It’s not. To give up a child that you have grown is a loss. To be forced to give up a child you cannot keep is a crime. Did forced birthers learn nothing in the decades when this was the default practice?

[Anonymous]

So you knew this was coming, right?

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/texas-ban-medical-abortion/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you knew this was coming, right?

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/texas-ban-medical-abortion/

The cruelty is the point.

[Anonymous]

If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.

But leave others out of your beliefs. Their business is none of your business.

Is that so damn hard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.

But leave others out of your beliefs. Their business is none of your business.

Is that so damn hard?

The GOP has had a strongly fascist streak for decades. As they’ve slowly let the fascists take over the party, they’re going to start cramming their beliefs down our throats. Look at who marched on the Mall today. It’s all much of a muchness, and the fascists are on the march because they own the Supreme Court, they own the GOP, they run the media and they own most people’s minds to some extent, too. I posted a long post a page ago and two people suggested I have mental health problems. Do I? No, I don’t. But I do see what too many are loathe to admit: the GOP truly is fascist and they are beginning their attempt to take over our country now.

Just a few weeks ago Virginia elected another Trumpian Republican. Why? Because the fascist GOP owns the media and tells you to think critically, negatively about the Democrats (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/03/biden-media-coverage-worse-trump-favorable/) no matter that the GOP is clearly ending Roe via the Court they bought, no matter that the GOP tried to violently overthrow the government not a year ago.

So no, they’re not going to stay out of our business, abortion or otherwise. All of you stupid people who thought splitting your votes was so smart, who thought that the GOP represented “good fiscal sense” even when it’s been plain for decades that their policies tank the economy and enrich the already rich and were willing to keep voting for “stability.” You idiots have been conned. Shake off your stupor. Look around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you knew this was coming, right?

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/texas-ban-medical-abortion/

The cruelty is the point.

They’ll be after birth control next. They consider it abortive.

“Why can’t you use a condom?”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you knew this was coming, right?

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/texas-ban-medical-abortion/

The cruelty is the point.

They’ll be after birth control next. They consider it abortive.

“Why can’t you use a condom?”

I agree but I think they’ll get a lot more popular pushback. That’s not a murky issue, like abortion is, for most voters. But we will see.

Particularly gross to me is how they want the days when the poor produced babies for the wealthier back. Even though we now know that those young women often had their babies stolen from them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you knew this was coming, right?

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/texas-ban-medical-abortion/

The cruelty is the point.

They’ll be after birth control next. They consider it abortive.

“Why can’t you use a condom?”

IVF will be up after that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the reason that carrying a child to term and then placing the baby up for adoption is mentally harmful, causes feelings of regret and sadness, vs aborting the baby and not having mental harm and feelings of regret and sadness?

If religious people use the state to violate your bodily integrity against your will for nine months, but really for all time given the fact that pregnancy and birth causes all kinds of changes in a woman’s body, do you think that that might cause mental harm?

<Rape trigger warning> For another example: rape hurts. Sex a woman wants usually does not. Rape is not necessarily any more violent than regular intercourse (though it can be), it’s the overwhelming of your rights as a person to say no, “I do not want this,” the violation of your body, every fiber of your brain screams against it (and frequently people’s body’s, too). This is the same thing. A thing undertaken with your consent is different than a thing undertaken against your consent. The state, even acting as a proxy for the religious feelings of forced birth misogynists, does not have the right to compel a citizen to use their body to grow a human against their will just like they can’t force us to donate a kidney, liver parts, marrow or even blood.

There was nothing about rape in either example. It was plainly about a teenage girl who had become pregnant and carried the baby to term and placed the baby for adoption vs aborted the baby.

Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

PP is equating pro-birthers to rapists.

People who want to force women to do something they don’t want to do.

An apt comparison.

I am asking why once a woman is already pregnant it is considered more traumatic to carry the baby to term and adopt him or her into a family than aborting and ending the life of your own child. There was no rape in 99% of cases women seek abortion.

Because a baby is a baby, a living breathing human being that you’ve spent 9 exhausting months and 1-2 painful days expelling from your body, missing work due to sick leave, your hormones sky high and your boobs hurting and lactating. Taking pills at 7 weeks to end a pregnancy is like having a miscarriage, you bleed heavier and have serious cramps but it is nowhere close to the way a full term pregnancy ravages your body. And a 7 week fetus is not a baby. It’s about the size of a coffee bean and doesn’t look much different from one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the reason that carrying a child to term and then placing the baby up for adoption is mentally harmful, causes feelings of regret and sadness, vs aborting the baby and not having mental harm and feelings of regret and sadness?

If religious people use the state to violate your bodily integrity against your will for nine months, but really for all time given the fact that pregnancy and birth causes all kinds of changes in a woman’s body, do you think that that might cause mental harm?

<Rape trigger warning> For another example: rape hurts. Sex a woman wants usually does not. Rape is not necessarily any more violent than regular intercourse (though it can be), it’s the overwhelming of your rights as a person to say no, “I do not want this,” the violation of your body, every fiber of your brain screams against it (and frequently people’s body’s, too). This is the same thing. A thing undertaken with your consent is different than a thing undertaken against your consent. The state, even acting as a proxy for the religious feelings of forced birth misogynists, does not have the right to compel a citizen to use their body to grow a human against their will just like they can’t force us to donate a kidney, liver parts, marrow or even blood.

There was nothing about rape in either example. It was plainly about a teenage girl who had become pregnant and carried the baby to term and placed the baby for adoption vs aborted the baby.

Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

PP is equating pro-birthers to rapists.

People who want to force women to do something they don’t want to do.

An apt comparison.

I am asking why once a woman is already pregnant it is considered more traumatic to carry the baby to term and adopt him or her into a family than aborting and ending the life of your own child. There was no rape in 99% of cases women seek abortion.

What part of "she doesn't want to be pregnant" don't you understand?

And enough with the adoption thing. That's just turning women into handmaids, and you know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you knew this was coming, right?

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/texas-ban-medical-abortion/

The cruelty is the point.

They’ll be after birth control next. They consider it abortive.

“Why can’t you use a condom?”

IVF will be up after that.