SCOTUS: oral arguments for Dobbs v. Jackson (MS abortion case)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Until the fetus is fully formed, it’s basically a parasite. It’s a separate organism with its own unique, foreign DNA. It creates a barrier in the womb for protection from so host’s immune system. It cannot exist on its own - relying on its host (or serious medical intervention) for nutrition, oxygen, etc.

In modern, wealthy counties, premature babies have a better chance of survival preterm but that’s not by nature’s design.

A mother is a fully-formed person entitled to all of the personal liberty and bodily autonomy of a man. She’s not just a host for the “parasite”.

It’s not. It’s a developing human being.

Calling a baby in utero a “parasite” is an attempt to dehumanize unborn children and is similar to the rhetoric used by Nazis during the holocaust.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Until the fetus is fully formed, it’s basically a parasite. It’s a separate organism with its own unique, foreign DNA. It creates a barrier in the womb for protection from so host’s immune system. It cannot exist on its own - relying on its host (or serious medical intervention) for nutrition, oxygen, etc.

In modern, wealthy counties, premature babies have a better chance of survival preterm but that’s not by nature’s design.

A mother is a fully-formed person entitled to all of the personal liberty and bodily autonomy of a man. She’s not just a host for the “parasite”.

It’s not. It’s a developing human being.

Calling a baby in utero a “parasite” is an attempt to dehumanize unborn children and is similar to the rhetoric used by Nazis during the holocaust.

DP. No, it's language used in medical journals to describe a phenomenon. Fetuses aren't parasites, obviously, but in many ways they act like one.

[Anonymous]

Yes. It’s called a metaphor. Like saying that red states are parasites. Or that republicans are POSs. They are not literally mounds of excrement. They just have similar characteristics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Until the fetus is fully formed, it’s basically a parasite. It’s a separate organism with its own unique, foreign DNA. It creates a barrier in the womb for protection from so host’s immune system. It cannot exist on its own - relying on its host (or serious medical intervention) for nutrition, oxygen, etc.

In modern, wealthy counties, premature babies have a better chance of survival preterm but that’s not by nature’s design.

A mother is a fully-formed person entitled to all of the personal liberty and bodily autonomy of a man. She’s not just a host for the “parasite”.

It’s not. It’s a developing human being.

Calling a baby in utero a “parasite” is an attempt to dehumanize unborn children and is similar to the rhetoric used by Nazis during the holocaust.

DP. No, it's language used in medical journals to describe a phenomenon. Fetuses aren't parasites, obviously, but in many ways they act like one.

PP has zero grasp of science, none whatsoever. And, ironically for someone on the side using the tactics of the Nazis, is invoking Godwin’s Law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Until the fetus is fully formed, it’s basically a parasite. It’s a separate organism with its own unique, foreign DNA. It creates a barrier in the womb for protection from so host’s immune system. It cannot exist on its own - relying on its host (or serious medical intervention) for nutrition, oxygen, etc.

In modern, wealthy counties, premature babies have a better chance of survival preterm but that’s not by nature’s design.

A mother is a fully-formed person entitled to all of the personal liberty and bodily autonomy of a man. She’s not just a host for the “parasite”.

It’s not. It’s a developing human being.

Calling a baby in utero a “parasite” is an attempt to dehumanize unborn children and is similar to the rhetoric used by Nazis during the holocaust.

Calling embryos and fetuses babies doesn’t make them babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Until the fetus is fully formed, it’s basically a parasite. It’s a separate organism with its own unique, foreign DNA. It creates a barrier in the womb for protection from so host’s immune system. It cannot exist on its own - relying on its host (or serious medical intervention) for nutrition, oxygen, etc.

In modern, wealthy counties, premature babies have a better chance of survival preterm but that’s not by nature’s design.

A mother is a fully-formed person entitled to all of the personal liberty and bodily autonomy of a man. She’s not just a host for the “parasite”.

It’s not. It’s a developing human being.

Calling a baby in utero a “parasite” is an attempt to dehumanize unborn children and is similar to the rhetoric used by Nazis during the holocaust.

Calling embryos and fetuses babies doesn’t make them babies.

It’s an intriguing trip into the brainwashing process used by right wing propaganda though. Repeat a lie endlessly.

[Anonymous]

FFS, stop. It doesn’t matter if you call them babies or fetuses or parasites. They live inside a body that is sustaining and creating them. That body belongs to someone else who should always have the choice to stop the process. Late term abortion like never happens for convenience. It’s always so sad for everyone and a very difficult moral choice. Give birth to an person who will most likely suffer in a hospital until death or choose to prevent the suffering (many times to reduce risks to the woman carrying the pregnancy). The Catholic Church is so wrong about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FFS, stop. It doesn’t matter if you call them babies or fetuses or parasites. They live inside a body that is sustaining and creating them. That body belongs to someone else who should always have the choice to stop the process. Late term abortion like never happens for convenience. It’s always so sad for everyone and a very difficult moral choice. Give birth to an person who will most likely suffer in a hospital until death or choose to prevent the suffering (many times to reduce risks to the woman carrying the pregnancy). The Catholic Church is so wrong about this.

Take it up with the blank faced handmaiden, who is somehow so stupid that she doesn’t consider any of this in her “you can whelp it and adopt it out and your life won’t change” rationale for stripping women of their rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FFS, stop. It doesn’t matter if you call them babies or fetuses or parasites. They live inside a body that is sustaining and creating them. That body belongs to someone else who should always have the choice to stop the process. Late term abortion like never happens for convenience. It’s always so sad for everyone and a very difficult moral choice. Give birth to an person who will most likely suffer in a hospital until death or choose to prevent the suffering (many times to reduce risks to the woman carrying the pregnancy). The Catholic Church is so wrong about this.

I'm not Catholic - but hasn't the church gotten more liberal about this while American Evangelicals (and the Republican Party they hold captive) have gotten more extreme?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS, stop. It doesn’t matter if you call them babies or fetuses or parasites. They live inside a body that is sustaining and creating them. That body belongs to someone else who should always have the choice to stop the process. Late term abortion like never happens for convenience. It’s always so sad for everyone and a very difficult moral choice. Give birth to an person who will most likely suffer in a hospital until death or choose to prevent the suffering (many times to reduce risks to the woman carrying the pregnancy). The Catholic Church is so wrong about this.

I'm not Catholic - but hasn't the church gotten more liberal about this while American Evangelicals (and the Republican Party they hold captive) have gotten more extreme?

Nope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS, stop. It doesn’t matter if you call them babies or fetuses or parasites. They live inside a body that is sustaining and creating them. That body belongs to someone else who should always have the choice to stop the process. Late term abortion like never happens for convenience. It’s always so sad for everyone and a very difficult moral choice. Give birth to an person who will most likely suffer in a hospital until death or choose to prevent the suffering (many times to reduce risks to the woman carrying the pregnancy). The Catholic Church is so wrong about this.

I'm not Catholic - but hasn't the church gotten more liberal about this while American Evangelicals (and the Republican Party they hold captive) have gotten more extreme?

Nope.

+ 1 The US Conference of Catholic Bishops is horrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS, stop. It doesn’t matter if you call them babies or fetuses or parasites. They live inside a body that is sustaining and creating them. That body belongs to someone else who should always have the choice to stop the process. Late term abortion like never happens for convenience. It’s always so sad for everyone and a very difficult moral choice. Give birth to an person who will most likely suffer in a hospital until death or choose to prevent the suffering (many times to reduce risks to the woman carrying the pregnancy). The Catholic Church is so wrong about this.

I'm not Catholic - but hasn't the church gotten more liberal about this while American Evangelicals (and the Republican Party they hold captive) have gotten more extreme?

Nope.

Definitely not. They’re basically in lockstep. The evangelicals are the ones that talk about it the most, obviously. All the miracle baby posts on SM ans whatnot. I’ll never ever forget my evangelical friend posting daily updates about another friend’s poor poor baby that was “blessed” to live in agony for a whole month. The pictures and stories were horrible. Multiple surgeries, pain, suffering, and parents agony. So sad. And they used it as pro-life messaging. No sorry, that doesn’t work for me and my morality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS, stop. It doesn’t matter if you call them babies or fetuses or parasites. They live inside a body that is sustaining and creating them. That body belongs to someone else who should always have the choice to stop the process. Late term abortion like never happens for convenience. It’s always so sad for everyone and a very difficult moral choice. Give birth to an person who will most likely suffer in a hospital until death or choose to prevent the suffering (many times to reduce risks to the woman carrying the pregnancy). The Catholic Church is so wrong about this.

I'm not Catholic - but hasn't the church gotten more liberal about this while American Evangelicals (and the Republican Party they hold captive) have gotten more extreme?

Nope.

Definitely not. They’re basically in lockstep. The evangelicals are the ones that talk about it the most, obviously. All the miracle baby posts on SM ans whatnot. I’ll never ever forget my evangelical friend posting daily updates about another friend’s poor poor baby that was “blessed” to live in agony for a whole month. The pictures and stories were horrible. Multiple surgeries, pain, suffering, and parents agony. So sad. And they used it as pro-life messaging. No sorry, that doesn’t work for me and my morality.

The cruelty is the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS, stop. It doesn’t matter if you call them babies or fetuses or parasites. They live inside a body that is sustaining and creating them. That body belongs to someone else who should always have the choice to stop the process. Late term abortion like never happens for convenience. It’s always so sad for everyone and a very difficult moral choice. Give birth to an person who will most likely suffer in a hospital until death or choose to prevent the suffering (many times to reduce risks to the woman carrying the pregnancy). The Catholic Church is so wrong about this.

I'm not Catholic - but hasn't the church gotten more liberal about this while American Evangelicals (and the Republican Party they hold captive) have gotten more extreme?

Nope.

Definitely not. They’re basically in lockstep. The evangelicals are the ones that talk about it the most, obviously. All the miracle baby posts on SM ans whatnot. I’ll never ever forget my evangelical friend posting daily updates about another friend’s poor poor baby that was “blessed” to live in agony for a whole month. The pictures and stories were horrible. Multiple surgeries, pain, suffering, and parents agony. So sad. And they used it as pro-life messaging. No sorry, that doesn’t work for me and my morality.

The cruelty is the point.

Do they get into Executive Heaven if they can promote more suffering? Is it a point system?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS, stop. It doesn’t matter if you call them babies or fetuses or parasites. They live inside a body that is sustaining and creating them. That body belongs to someone else who should always have the choice to stop the process. Late term abortion like never happens for convenience. It’s always so sad for everyone and a very difficult moral choice. Give birth to an person who will most likely suffer in a hospital until death or choose to prevent the suffering (many times to reduce risks to the woman carrying the pregnancy). The Catholic Church is so wrong about this.

I'm not Catholic - but hasn't the church gotten more liberal about this while American Evangelicals (and the Republican Party they hold captive) have gotten more extreme?

Nope.

Definitely not. They’re basically in lockstep. The evangelicals are the ones that talk about it the most, obviously. All the miracle baby posts on SM ans whatnot. I’ll never ever forget my evangelical friend posting daily updates about another friend’s poor poor baby that was “blessed” to live in agony for a whole month. The pictures and stories were horrible. Multiple surgeries, pain, suffering, and parents agony. So sad. And they used it as pro-life messaging. No sorry, that doesn’t work for me and my morality.

The cruelty is the point.

Do they get into Executive Heaven if they can promote more suffering? Is it a point system?

It’s a warped and outdated value system that is used to disempower individuals in service of an institution. The more you suffer the holier you are. And I believe those that promote will be judged severely in the end. My god and my Jesus don’t like causing human suffering.