Meghan and Prince Harry are moving to the U.S./Canada - OFFICIAL

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Actually I care about Meghan Markle because she was raised by a single mom, was the subject of unrelenting emotional and psychological abuse at the hands of her father and half-siblings, which played out in front of the entire world -- what a shitty and crazy way to treat a daughter, to treat a half-sister!! Crazy and brutal and disgusting -- and yet she prevailed. She succeeded despite all odds, and she succeeded spectacularly.

So that's why I'm in her corner, if you'd like to know.

I think she lived with her father for quite some time, and he paid for her expensive private schooling and gave her a springboard in Hollywood through his connections. I don't think this counts as "unrelenting abuse."

I don't think she succeeded against all odds - she was born to privilege and it must be said, worked tirelessly to grow it.

Her father used her for publicity. Her half-brother said publicly that it was not too late for Harry to back out. Her sister will tell anyone who will listen how horrible she thinks Meghan is.

You try living through that kind of torture. See how you turn out.

I'm not saying her father is an angel. But I don't think he paid for her private schooling to use her for publicity. Certainly she wasn't raised by "a single mother" if she lived in her dad since age 11 and benefited from his Hollywood connections.

Do I think it's fun, no. But I lived through civil war and bombing and dental filling done with no anesthesia, and I think I turned out alright so I don't quite get the hand-wringing. Into every life a little rain must fall.

So did your family put you through those traumas on purpose, or were they there to help you through them? Most people count on family to help them through the suffering life throws our way, not cause it.

His behavior and the behavior of Meghan's half-siblings is inexcusable. Not only does she have to suffer their emotional abuse, but then she's blamed for not having them in her life because of it. She can't win.

I'm on team MM all the way. No one should sit by and watch people inflict that kind of emotional pain on others and stay neutral. She was preparing to get married, and dealing with that insane crap? They are hateful trash and I have zero respect for them, and nothing but sympathy for Meghan for having them in her life.

When I lived in the developing world as an adult, I regularly got fillings with no numbing. It’s pretty routine there and not as bad as it sounds. Certainly not traumatic. I have not lived through a civil war, but I don’t consider myself a bad ass for my dental experience. I have had a broken bone set with no pain relief. That got my attention. Still not traumatizing in and off itself.

Seriously? OMG, WHO CARES. If you weren't hurt by it then it doesn't matter, now does it? Are you also saying you would not be hurt if your father talked shit about you to the world, or if your sibling posted an open letter to your future husband telling him it's not too late to back out of your wedding? Really? Then you are weird as f$$$. Most people would be devastated by that kind of back stabbing. I know I would.

I’m not remotely anti-MM. in fact, I’ve been writing positively and in defense of her for years. Ask Jeff. I just think that people on DCUM throw the word traumatic around too easily. I have significant complex PTSD so I actually know what it’s like to be traumatized. Dental fillings without anesthesia are a common practice for most of the world. And compared to what truly poor kids (and I was one) experience regular, kind of self-absorbed to claim as trauma.

People all have their struggles. Don’t try to one up...it’s not a nice look. We can sympathize with lots of posters.

Yeah, like the poster devastated that she couldn’t send her rising Kindergartener to private school.

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

No, I'm not buying it. First of all, KM's family is not middle class. Middle class families do not send their daughters to private schools or vacation in Mustique, and certainly Marlborough College is out of reach of most middle class families. Her father has solid trust funds. I'm not saying they are aristocrats, certainly, but the family's wealth is moving them into the UMC category.

Second, KM never struck me as someone who has ambitions to be popular or accomplished; certainly, if she wanted to learn to smile, there are plenty of people in her orbit to learn from!

Third, it doesn't really matter how much MM smiles vs. KM. Kate's position in the family is forever above Meghan's, as is her financial standing. I don't get the vibe that KM is aching to mingle with the jet set. I think she is content to lead a comfortable life with her family and appear in public as much as necessary and not more.

Spot on. And MM made all the rookie mistakes most people make in their first job out of college. Mainly, don’t try to compete with or outdo those in positions of power, learn the lay of the land before suggesting changes, make friends/allies.

I don’t know if it was naïveté or hubris, but she started on the wrong foot and kept digging her heels in.

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She's back to looking like the woman Harry fell in love with. I'm happy for her.

Can't wait til she walks the red carpet in the latest fashions too.

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

It's obvious that they didn't click, but no one expected that they would. Honestly, I like my SILs but we're not friends either.

It sounds like you're trying to blame last weeks events on Kate. That's laughable. Harry and Meghan just didn't care about her, one way or the other. She didn't drive them away.

Sorry but the British press were pushing them as the next BFFs - saying Kate was 'guiding' Meghan and that the Fab Four would be amazing. Didn't work out because Kate has zero friends outside of her sister and even that is questionable and is more focused on keeping William happy anyway she can (and driving away any female friendships he's had since the beginning of their relationship),

I recall reading that she didn't even like Harry's last girlfriends - even though they were in the same 'position' at the time as waiting around.

She's certainly got her hands full in this season of her life. Maybe the time to put an emphasis on the number of friends she has has passed. Her focus on her family and whatever her official royal duties are. Most of us focus mainly on our families once we start having kids.

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Actually I care about Meghan Markle because she was raised by a single mom, was the subject of unrelenting emotional and psychological abuse at the hands of her father and half-siblings, which played out in front of the entire world -- what a shitty and crazy way to treat a daughter, to treat a half-sister!! Crazy and brutal and disgusting -- and yet she prevailed. She succeeded despite all odds, and she succeeded spectacularly.

So that's why I'm in her corner, if you'd like to know.

I think she lived with her father for quite some time, and he paid for her expensive private schooling and gave her a springboard in Hollywood through his connections. I don't think this counts as "unrelenting abuse."

I don't think she succeeded against all odds - she was born to privilege and it must be said, worked tirelessly to grow it.

Her father used her for publicity. Her half-brother said publicly that it was not too late for Harry to back out. Her sister will tell anyone who will listen how horrible she thinks Meghan is.

You try living through that kind of torture. See how you turn out.

I'm not saying her father is an angel. But I don't think he paid for her private schooling to use her for publicity. Certainly she wasn't raised by "a single mother" if she lived in her dad since age 11 and benefited from his Hollywood connections.

Do I think it's fun, no. But I lived through civil war and bombing and dental filling done with no anesthesia, and I think I turned out alright so I don't quite get the hand-wringing. Into every life a little rain must fall.

So did your family put you through those traumas on purpose, or were they there to help you through them? Most people count on family to help them through the suffering life throws our way, not cause it.

His behavior and the behavior of Meghan's half-siblings is inexcusable. Not only does she have to suffer their emotional abuse, but then she's blamed for not having them in her life because of it. She can't win.

I'm on team MM all the way. No one should sit by and watch people inflict that kind of emotional pain on others and stay neutral. She was preparing to get married, and dealing with that insane crap? They are hateful trash and I have zero respect for them, and nothing but sympathy for Meghan for having them in her life.

When I lived in the developing world as an adult, I regularly got fillings with no numbing. It’s pretty routine there and not as bad as it sounds. Certainly not traumatic. I have not lived through a civil war, but I don’t consider myself a bad ass for my dental experience. I have had a broken bone set with no pain relief. That got my attention. Still not traumatizing in and off itself.

Seriously? OMG, WHO CARES. If you weren't hurt by it then it doesn't matter, now does it? Are you also saying you would not be hurt if your father talked shit about you to the world, or if your sibling posted an open letter to your future husband telling him it's not too late to back out of your wedding? Really? Then you are weird as f$$$. Most people would be devastated by that kind of back stabbing. I know I would.

I’m not remotely anti-MM. in fact, I’ve been writing positively and in defense of her for years. Ask Jeff. I just think that people on DCUM throw the word traumatic around too easily. I have significant complex PTSD so I actually know what it’s like to be traumatized. Dental fillings without anesthesia are a common practice for most of the world. And compared to what truly poor kids (and I was one) experience regular, kind of self-absorbed to claim as trauma.

People all have their struggles. Don’t try to one up...it’s not a nice look. We can sympathize with lots of posters.

Yeah, like the poster devastated that she couldn’t send her rising Kindergartener to private school.

That was a bit much.

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Anonymous wrote:I love Harry, but it is very well-documented and stated (even by his late mother) that he does not have a great deal of intelligence. He has EQ, but is lacking in IQ. This is where he might get into trouble about thinking everything through. I am not sure about Meghan she graduated from Northwestern, but the Royal Family is like nothing else.

Not a lot upstairs, but a good heart. That is easily taken advantage of...

None of the BRF is brainy. They gained their position when ambition and the ability to be merciless were more important attributes than intelligence. Although actually, EQ was probably also helpful in manipulating people to their will.

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I don’t see her wedding rings in the picture above.

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Actually I care about Meghan Markle because she was raised by a single mom, was the subject of unrelenting emotional and psychological abuse at the hands of her father and half-siblings, which played out in front of the entire world -- what a shitty and crazy way to treat a daughter, to treat a half-sister!! Crazy and brutal and disgusting -- and yet she prevailed. She succeeded despite all odds, and she succeeded spectacularly.

So that's why I'm in her corner, if you'd like to know.

I think she lived with her father for quite some time, and he paid for her expensive private schooling and gave her a springboard in Hollywood through his connections. I don't think this counts as "unrelenting abuse."

I don't think she succeeded against all odds - she was born to privilege and it must be said, worked tirelessly to grow it.

Her father used her for publicity. Her half-brother said publicly that it was not too late for Harry to back out. Her sister will tell anyone who will listen how horrible she thinks Meghan is.

You try living through that kind of torture. See how you turn out.

I'm not saying her father is an angel. But I don't think he paid for her private schooling to use her for publicity. Certainly she wasn't raised by "a single mother" if she lived in her dad since age 11 and benefited from his Hollywood connections.

Do I think it's fun, no. But I lived through civil war and bombing and dental filling done with no anesthesia, and I think I turned out alright so I don't quite get the hand-wringing. Into every life a little rain must fall.

So did your family put you through those traumas on purpose, or were they there to help you through them? Most people count on family to help them through the suffering life throws our way, not cause it.

His behavior and the behavior of Meghan's half-siblings is inexcusable. Not only does she have to suffer their emotional abuse, but then she's blamed for not having them in her life because of it. She can't win.

I'm on team MM all the way. No one should sit by and watch people inflict that kind of emotional pain on others and stay neutral. She was preparing to get married, and dealing with that insane crap? They are hateful trash and I have zero respect for them, and nothing but sympathy for Meghan for having them in her life.

When I lived in the developing world as an adult, I regularly got fillings with no numbing. It’s pretty routine there and not as bad as it sounds. Certainly not traumatic. I have not lived through a civil war, but I don’t consider myself a bad ass for my dental experience. I have had a broken bone set with no pain relief. That got my attention. Still not traumatizing in and off itself.

Seriously? OMG, WHO CARES. If you weren't hurt by it then it doesn't matter, now does it? Are you also saying you would not be hurt if your father talked shit about you to the world, or if your sibling posted an open letter to your future husband telling him it's not too late to back out of your wedding? Really? Then you are weird as f$$$. Most people would be devastated by that kind of back stabbing. I know I would.

I’m not remotely anti-MM. in fact, I’ve been writing positively and in defense of her for years. Ask Jeff. I just think that people on DCUM throw the word traumatic around too easily. I have significant complex PTSD so I actually know what it’s like to be traumatized. Dental fillings without anesthesia are a common practice for most of the world. And compared to what truly poor kids (and I was one) experience regular, kind of self-absorbed to claim as trauma.

What? I don't understand your post at all. In any event, for most people, poor or rich, having your family broadcast to the entire world their dislike of you would be traumatizing. Surely you can admit that. It has nothing to do with how much dental pain you can put up with. Her brother's open letter to Harry alone would cause PTSD in most people.

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Anonymous wrote:Palace sources from a colleague. Meghan told Kate that she should stand up for herself re the affair. William found out, confronted Harry and the brothers had a fistfight. They haven't spoked since the summer.

The person who shared this is a very reliable source.

My money is on Harry.

Actually I’m envisioning a fight like the one between Hugh Grant and Colin Firth’s characters in Bridget Jones’s Diary. Lots of kicking at each other LOL.

Except they both had military training, although I bet that Harry's experience made him a better fighter than his pilot brother.

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Sorry - Middle Class in the uk is different to the US. ITs not monetary, its about education and profession.

Upper Class - landed gentry, aristocracy, poor or rich

Upper Middle class - monied but professional - lawyers, accountants, university professors

Middle class / lower middle class - stewardess, small business owners,

Working class - postal workers, street cleaners, ticket collectors on trains etc

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Actually I care about Meghan Markle because she was raised by a single mom, was the subject of unrelenting emotional and psychological abuse at the hands of her father and half-siblings, which played out in front of the entire world -- what a shitty and crazy way to treat a daughter, to treat a half-sister!! Crazy and brutal and disgusting -- and yet she prevailed. She succeeded despite all odds, and she succeeded spectacularly.

So that's why I'm in her corner, if you'd like to know.

I think she lived with her father for quite some time, and he paid for her expensive private schooling and gave her a springboard in Hollywood through his connections. I don't think this counts as "unrelenting abuse."

I don't think she succeeded against all odds - she was born to privilege and it must be said, worked tirelessly to grow it.

Her father used her for publicity. Her half-brother said publicly that it was not too late for Harry to back out. Her sister will tell anyone who will listen how horrible she thinks Meghan is.

You try living through that kind of torture. See how you turn out.

I'm not saying her father is an angel. But I don't think he paid for her private schooling to use her for publicity. Certainly she wasn't raised by "a single mother" if she lived in her dad since age 11 and benefited from his Hollywood connections.

Do I think it's fun, no. But I lived through civil war and bombing and dental filling done with no anesthesia, and I think I turned out alright so I don't quite get the hand-wringing. Into every life a little rain must fall.

So did your family put you through those traumas on purpose, or were they there to help you through them? Most people count on family to help them through the suffering life throws our way, not cause it.

His behavior and the behavior of Meghan's half-siblings is inexcusable. Not only does she have to suffer their emotional abuse, but then she's blamed for not having them in her life because of it. She can't win.

I'm on team MM all the way. No one should sit by and watch people inflict that kind of emotional pain on others and stay neutral. She was preparing to get married, and dealing with that insane crap? They are hateful trash and I have zero respect for them, and nothing but sympathy for Meghan for having them in her life.

When I lived in the developing world as an adult, I regularly got fillings with no numbing. It’s pretty routine there and not as bad as it sounds. Certainly not traumatic. I have not lived through a civil war, but I don’t consider myself a bad ass for my dental experience. I have had a broken bone set with no pain relief. That got my attention. Still not traumatizing in and off itself.

Seriously? OMG, WHO CARES. If you weren't hurt by it then it doesn't matter, now does it? Are you also saying you would not be hurt if your father talked shit about you to the world, or if your sibling posted an open letter to your future husband telling him it's not too late to back out of your wedding? Really? Then you are weird as f$$$. Most people would be devastated by that kind of back stabbing. I know I would.

I’m not remotely anti-MM. in fact, I’ve been writing positively and in defense of her for years. Ask Jeff. I just think that people on DCUM throw the word traumatic around too easily. I have significant complex PTSD so I actually know what it’s like to be traumatized. Dental fillings without anesthesia are a common practice for most of the world. And compared to what truly poor kids (and I was one) experience regular, kind of self-absorbed to claim as trauma.

What? I don't understand your post at all. In any event, for most people, poor or rich, having your family broadcast to the entire world their dislike of you would be traumatizing. Surely you can admit that. It has nothing to do with how much dental pain you can put up with. Her brother's open letter to Harry alone would cause PTSD in most people.

OMG, I have zero disagreement with you on Meghan’s experience. I was trying to give some context to person posting about their teeth being filled without anesthesia.

But really read up on PTSD before you comment on what would cause it in most people.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - Middle Class in the uk is different to the US. ITs not monetary, its about education and profession.

Upper Class - landed gentry, aristocracy, poor or rich

Upper Middle class - monied but professional - lawyers, accountants, university professors

Middle class / lower middle class - stewardess, small business owners,

Working class - postal workers, street cleaners, ticket collectors on trains etc

Kate went to the same school as the future king of England. She wasn’t middle class.

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Actually I care about Meghan Markle because she was raised by a single mom, was the subject of unrelenting emotional and psychological abuse at the hands of her father and half-siblings, which played out in front of the entire world -- what a shitty and crazy way to treat a daughter, to treat a half-sister!! Crazy and brutal and disgusting -- and yet she prevailed. She succeeded despite all odds, and she succeeded spectacularly.

So that's why I'm in her corner, if you'd like to know.

I think she lived with her father for quite some time, and he paid for her expensive private schooling and gave her a springboard in Hollywood through his connections. I don't think this counts as "unrelenting abuse."

I don't think she succeeded against all odds - she was born to privilege and it must be said, worked tirelessly to grow it.

Her father used her for publicity. Her half-brother said publicly that it was not too late for Harry to back out. Her sister will tell anyone who will listen how horrible she thinks Meghan is.

You try living through that kind of torture. See how you turn out.

I'm not saying her father is an angel. But I don't think he paid for her private schooling to use her for publicity. Certainly she wasn't raised by "a single mother" if she lived in her dad since age 11 and benefited from his Hollywood connections.

Do I think it's fun, no. But I lived through civil war and bombing and dental filling done with no anesthesia, and I think I turned out alright so I don't quite get the hand-wringing. Into every life a little rain must fall.

So did your family put you through those traumas on purpose, or were they there to help you through them? Most people count on family to help them through the suffering life throws our way, not cause it.

His behavior and the behavior of Meghan's half-siblings is inexcusable. Not only does she have to suffer their emotional abuse, but then she's blamed for not having them in her life because of it. She can't win.

I'm on team MM all the way. No one should sit by and watch people inflict that kind of emotional pain on others and stay neutral. She was preparing to get married, and dealing with that insane crap? They are hateful trash and I have zero respect for them, and nothing but sympathy for Meghan for having them in her life.

When I lived in the developing world as an adult, I regularly got fillings with no numbing. It’s pretty routine there and not as bad as it sounds. Certainly not traumatic. I have not lived through a civil war, but I don’t consider myself a bad ass for my dental experience. I have had a broken bone set with no pain relief. That got my attention. Still not traumatizing in and off itself.

Seriously? OMG, WHO CARES. If you weren't hurt by it then it doesn't matter, now does it? Are you also saying you would not be hurt if your father talked shit about you to the world, or if your sibling posted an open letter to your future husband telling him it's not too late to back out of your wedding? Really? Then you are weird as f$$$. Most people would be devastated by that kind of back stabbing. I know I would.

I’m not remotely anti-MM. in fact, I’ve been writing positively and in defense of her for years. Ask Jeff. I just think that people on DCUM throw the word traumatic around too easily. I have significant complex PTSD so I actually know what it’s like to be traumatized. Dental fillings without anesthesia are a common practice for most of the world. And compared to what truly poor kids (and I was one) experience regular, kind of self-absorbed to claim as trauma.

What? I don't understand your post at all. In any event, for most people, poor or rich, having your family broadcast to the entire world their dislike of you would be traumatizing. Surely you can admit that. It has nothing to do with how much dental pain you can put up with. Her brother's open letter to Harry alone would cause PTSD in most people.

OMG, I have zero disagreement with you on Meghan’s experience. I was trying to give some context to person posting about their teeth being filled without anesthesia.

But really read up on PTSD before you comment on what would cause it in most people.

Sorry, I thought you were that poster. I know a bit about PTSD unfortunately. I stand by my assessment. A woman about to get married has her brother tell the groom to back out -- by publishing an open letter in a newspaper? Weddings are stressful enough. Definitely PTSD worthy.

In any event, sorry I had you confused with the other PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Palace sources from a colleague. Meghan told Kate that she should stand up for herself re the affair. William found out, confronted Harry and the brothers had a fistfight. They haven't spoked since the summer.

The person who shared this is a very reliable source.

My money is on Harry.

Actually I’m envisioning a fight like the one between Hugh Grant and Colin Firth’s characters in Bridget Jones’s Diary. Lots of kicking at each other LOL.

, totally! hahaha

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Anonymous wrote:She's back to looking like the woman Harry fell in love with. I'm happy for her.

Can't wait til she walks the red carpet in the latest fashions too.

Are these recent? Is her mom visiting in Canada?