Meghan and Prince Harry are moving to the U.S./Canada - OFFICIAL

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

It's obvious that they didn't click, but no one expected that they would. Honestly, I like my SILs but we're not friends either.

It sounds like you're trying to blame last weeks events on Kate. That's laughable. Harry and Meghan just didn't care about her, one way or the other. She didn't drive them away.

Sorry but the British press were pushing them as the next BFFs - saying Kate was 'guiding' Meghan and that the Fab Four would be amazing. Didn't work out because Kate has zero friends outside of her sister and even that is questionable and is more focused on keeping William happy anyway she can (and driving away any female friendships he's had since the beginning of their relationship),

I recall reading that she didn't even like Harry's last girlfriends - even though they were in the same 'position' at the time as waiting around.

She's certainly got her hands full in this season of her life. Maybe the time to put an emphasis on the number of friends she has has passed. Her focus on her family and whatever her official royal duties are. Most of us focus mainly on our families once we start having kids.

+1

My mother called the baby/young children years her lost decade. When the kids are bigger, then Kate will reenter the world full time.

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

It's obvious that they didn't click, but no one expected that they would. Honestly, I like my SILs but we're not friends either.

It sounds like you're trying to blame last weeks events on Kate. That's laughable. Harry and Meghan just didn't care about her, one way or the other. She didn't drive them away.

Sorry but the British press were pushing them as the next BFFs - saying Kate was 'guiding' Meghan and that the Fab Four would be amazing. Didn't work out because Kate has zero friends outside of her sister and even that is questionable and is more focused on keeping William happy anyway she can (and driving away any female friendships he's had since the beginning of their relationship),

I recall reading that she didn't even like Harry's last girlfriends - even though they were in the same 'position' at the time as waiting around.

She's certainly got her hands full in this season of her life. Maybe the time to put an emphasis on the number of friends she has has passed. Her focus on her family and whatever her official royal duties are. Most of us focus mainly on our families once we start having kids.

I don't think she ever developed those friendships in the first place, more than a decade before getting married and having kids. She started dating Will and her whole world revolved around him, she didn't have a typical college or post-grad experience which is a time a lot of those deep friendships develop, at least in my world. I think she focused on ingratiating herself with William's set, which she did to an extent, but was mostly just tolerated. It's kind of sad.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

It's obvious that they didn't click, but no one expected that they would. Honestly, I like my SILs but we're not friends either.

It sounds like you're trying to blame last weeks events on Kate. That's laughable. Harry and Meghan just didn't care about her, one way or the other. She didn't drive them away.

Sorry but the British press were pushing them as the next BFFs - saying Kate was 'guiding' Meghan and that the Fab Four would be amazing. Didn't work out because Kate has zero friends outside of her sister and even that is questionable and is more focused on keeping William happy anyway she can (and driving away any female friendships he's had since the beginning of their relationship),

I recall reading that she didn't even like Harry's last girlfriends - even though they were in the same 'position' at the time as waiting around.

She's certainly got her hands full in this season of her life. Maybe the time to put an emphasis on the number of friends she has has passed. Her focus on her family and whatever her official royal duties are. Most of us focus mainly on our families once we start having kids.

I don't think she ever developed those friendships in the first place, more than a decade before getting married and having kids. She started dating Will and her whole world revolved around him, she didn't have a typical college or post-grad experience which is a time a lot of those deep friendships develop, at least in my world. I think she focused on ingratiating herself with William's set, which she did to an extent, but was mostly just tolerated. It's kind of sad.

LOL, sure, the beautiful woman who married the future king of england's life is ... kind of sad.

LOL I guess if that makes you feel better.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

It's obvious that they didn't click, but no one expected that they would. Honestly, I like my SILs but we're not friends either.

It sounds like you're trying to blame last weeks events on Kate. That's laughable. Harry and Meghan just didn't care about her, one way or the other. She didn't drive them away.

Sorry but the British press were pushing them as the next BFFs - saying Kate was 'guiding' Meghan and that the Fab Four would be amazing. Didn't work out because Kate has zero friends outside of her sister and even that is questionable and is more focused on keeping William happy anyway she can (and driving away any female friendships he's had since the beginning of their relationship),

I recall reading that she didn't even like Harry's last girlfriends - even though they were in the same 'position' at the time as waiting around.

She's certainly got her hands full in this season of her life. Maybe the time to put an emphasis on the number of friends she has has passed. Her focus on her family and whatever her official royal duties are. Most of us focus mainly on our families once we start having kids.

I don't think she ever developed those friendships in the first place, more than a decade before getting married and having kids. She started dating Will and her whole world revolved around him, she didn't have a typical college or post-grad experience which is a time a lot of those deep friendships develop, at least in my world. I think she focused on ingratiating herself with William's set, which she did to an extent, but was mostly just tolerated. It's kind of sad.

We do know the name of one of her friends...

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Actually I care about Meghan Markle because she was raised by a single mom, was the subject of unrelenting emotional and psychological abuse at the hands of her father and half-siblings, which played out in front of the entire world -- what a shitty and crazy way to treat a daughter, to treat a half-sister!! Crazy and brutal and disgusting -- and yet she prevailed. She succeeded despite all odds, and she succeeded spectacularly.

So that's why I'm in her corner, if you'd like to know.

I think she lived with her father for quite some time, and he paid for her expensive private schooling and gave her a springboard in Hollywood through his connections. I don't think this counts as "unrelenting abuse."

I don't think she succeeded against all odds - she was born to privilege and it must be said, worked tirelessly to grow it.

Her father used her for publicity. Her half-brother said publicly that it was not too late for Harry to back out. Her sister will tell anyone who will listen how horrible she thinks Meghan is.

You try living through that kind of torture. See how you turn out.

I'm not saying her father is an angel. But I don't think he paid for her private schooling to use her for publicity. Certainly she wasn't raised by "a single mother" if she lived in her dad since age 11 and benefited from his Hollywood connections.

Do I think it's fun, no. But I lived through civil war and bombing and dental filling done with no anesthesia, and I think I turned out alright so I don't quite get the hand-wringing. Into every life a little rain must fall.

So did your family put you through those traumas on purpose, or were they there to help you through them? Most people count on family to help them through the suffering life throws our way, not cause it.

His behavior and the behavior of Meghan's half-siblings is inexcusable. Not only does she have to suffer their emotional abuse, but then she's blamed for not having them in her life because of it. She can't win.

I'm on team MM all the way. No one should sit by and watch people inflict that kind of emotional pain on others and stay neutral. She was preparing to get married, and dealing with that insane crap? They are hateful trash and I have zero respect for them, and nothing but sympathy for Meghan for having them in her life.

When I lived in the developing world as an adult, I regularly got fillings with no numbing. It’s pretty routine there and not as bad as it sounds. Certainly not traumatic. I have not lived through a civil war, but I don’t consider myself a bad ass for my dental experience. I have had a broken bone set with no pain relief. That got my attention. Still not traumatizing in and off itself.

Seriously? OMG, WHO CARES. If you weren't hurt by it then it doesn't matter, now does it? Are you also saying you would not be hurt if your father talked shit about you to the world, or if your sibling posted an open letter to your future husband telling him it's not too late to back out of your wedding? Really? Then you are weird as f$$$. Most people would be devastated by that kind of back stabbing. I know I would.

I’m not remotely anti-MM. in fact, I’ve been writing positively and in defense of her for years. Ask Jeff. I just think that people on DCUM throw the word traumatic around too easily. I have significant complex PTSD so I actually know what it’s like to be traumatized. Dental fillings without anesthesia are a common practice for most of the world. And compared to what truly poor kids (and I was one) experience regular, kind of self-absorbed to claim as trauma.

People all have their struggles. Don’t try to one up...it’s not a nice look. We can sympathize with lots of posters.

DP. There is not one generic trauma scale that applies everywhere. One kind of bad experience makes one sensitive in similar situations, not all situations. Someone with war trauma might not be bothered with the guy on the metro getting in her space. The person who's been sexually assaulted might find herself physically ill with fear.

Meghan was betrayed by her family on the world stage. Being left undefended by the BRF against the media abuse, especially if not being treated with warmth or respect in private, may have made her feel especially vulnerable. Plus pregnancy and post partum hormones would intensify those feelings.

She said in that interview for the Africa trip documentary that she felt vulnerable, especially as a pregnant woman, by the unfair media treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

It's obvious that they didn't click, but no one expected that they would. Honestly, I like my SILs but we're not friends either.

It sounds like you're trying to blame last weeks events on Kate. That's laughable. Harry and Meghan just didn't care about her, one way or the other. She didn't drive them away.

Sorry but the British press were pushing them as the next BFFs - saying Kate was 'guiding' Meghan and that the Fab Four would be amazing. Didn't work out because Kate has zero friends outside of her sister and even that is questionable and is more focused on keeping William happy anyway she can (and driving away any female friendships he's had since the beginning of their relationship),

I recall reading that she didn't even like Harry's last girlfriends - even though they were in the same 'position' at the time as waiting around.

She's certainly got her hands full in this season of her life. Maybe the time to put an emphasis on the number of friends she has has passed. Her focus on her family and whatever her official royal duties are. Most of us focus mainly on our families once we start having kids.

I don't think she ever developed those friendships in the first place, more than a decade before getting married and having kids. She started dating Will and her whole world revolved around him, she didn't have a typical college or post-grad experience which is a time a lot of those deep friendships develop, at least in my world. I think she focused on ingratiating herself with William's set, which she did to an extent, but was mostly just tolerated. It's kind of sad.

LOL, sure, the beautiful woman who married the future king of england's life is ... kind of sad.

LOL I guess if that makes you feel better.

I don't dislike her and it doesn't make me feel better. I don't think her life is sad. I do think it's sad that you can have so much, but not really have friends. Friends are an important life "bucket" for most people and no matter how charmed my life, it wouldn't feel complete without close friendships.

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

It's obvious that they didn't click, but no one expected that they would. Honestly, I like my SILs but we're not friends either.

It sounds like you're trying to blame last weeks events on Kate. That's laughable. Harry and Meghan just didn't care about her, one way or the other. She didn't drive them away.

Sorry but the British press were pushing them as the next BFFs - saying Kate was 'guiding' Meghan and that the Fab Four would be amazing. Didn't work out because Kate has zero friends outside of her sister and even that is questionable and is more focused on keeping William happy anyway she can (and driving away any female friendships he's had since the beginning of their relationship),

I recall reading that she didn't even like Harry's last girlfriends - even though they were in the same 'position' at the time as waiting around.

She's certainly got her hands full in this season of her life. Maybe the time to put an emphasis on the number of friends she has has passed. Her focus on her family and whatever her official royal duties are. Most of us focus mainly on our families once we start having kids.

True and fair, but friends are still important for feeling grounded and connected to the person you've always been. Otherwise you wake up feeling disoriented in your own life. Maybe doesn't need that because she's still close to her parents.

It sounds like they are part of that Turnip Toff artistocratic social circle-- IOW, William's friends. That's not going to provide the kind of social connection and comfort as your own old friends who knew you way back when.

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I don’t care for the BRF one way or another but to me KM comes across as a very sensible, grounded and practical person. She may appear boring to some but lots are things in life are just drudgery types and someone’s gotta do it. I don’t have any opinion on Meghan as I haven’t followed her much but for Kate the proof is in the pudding, she has been able to handle the stress and perform her duties with aplomb, there’s a lot to say about that.

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Anonymous wrote:Palace sources from a colleague. Meghan told Kate that she should stand up for herself re the affair. William found out, confronted Harry and the brothers had a fistfight. They haven't spoked since the summer.

The person who shared this is a very reliable source.

Tinfoil on sale today?

I know this is an anonymous forum and anyone can say anything but the person is a journalist (on much more substantive matters which you may have read in real life) who happens to also be British. The person always has all kinds of sources. They laid it all out there on our work slack account.

What is a work slack account?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - Middle Class in the uk is different to the US. ITs not monetary, its about education and profession.

Upper Class - landed gentry, aristocracy, poor or rich

Upper Middle class - monied but professional - lawyers, accountants, university professors

Middle class / lower middle class - stewardess, small business owners,

Working class - postal workers, street cleaners, ticket collectors on trains etc

Kate went to the same school as the future king of England. She wasn’t middle class.

Her parents are. She was raised in a middle class family.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - Middle Class in the uk is different to the US. ITs not monetary, its about education and profession.

Upper Class - landed gentry, aristocracy, poor or rich

Upper Middle class - monied but professional - lawyers, accountants, university professors

Middle class / lower middle class - stewardess, small business owners,

Working class - postal workers, street cleaners, ticket collectors on trains etc

Kate went to the same school as the future king of England. She wasn’t middle class.

Her parents are. She was raised in a middle class family.

Yes, for a while it was a big deal that William married a commoner. Now no one cares.

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Kate was upper middle class and boarded at private school.

Meghan attended private school as well.

Both had privileged upbringings.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - Middle Class in the uk is different to the US. ITs not monetary, its about education and profession.

Upper Class - landed gentry, aristocracy, poor or rich

Upper Middle class - monied but professional - lawyers, accountants, university professors

Middle class / lower middle class - stewardess, small business owners,

Working class - postal workers, street cleaners, ticket collectors on trains etc

Kate went to the same school as the future king of England. She wasn’t middle class.

DP. It is mind boggling that you can’t fathom different countries have different social structures.

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Anonymous wrote:Palace sources from a colleague. Meghan told Kate that she should stand up for herself re the affair. William found out, confronted Harry and the brothers had a fistfight. They haven't spoked since the summer.

The person who shared this is a very reliable source.

Tinfoil on sale today?

I know this is an anonymous forum and anyone can say anything but the person is a journalist (on much more substantive matters which you may have read in real life) who happens to also be British. The person always has all kinds of sources. They laid it all out there on our work slack account.

What is a work slack account?

https://slack.com/

Very common, esp at tech companies.

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

It's obvious that they didn't click, but no one expected that they would. Honestly, I like my SILs but we're not friends either.

It sounds like you're trying to blame last weeks events on Kate. That's laughable. Harry and Meghan just didn't care about her, one way or the other. She didn't drive them away.

Sorry but the British press were pushing them as the next BFFs - saying Kate was 'guiding' Meghan and that the Fab Four would be amazing. Didn't work out because Kate has zero friends outside of her sister and even that is questionable and is more focused on keeping William happy anyway she can (and driving away any female friendships he's had since the beginning of their relationship),

I recall reading that she didn't even like Harry's last girlfriends - even though they were in the same 'position' at the time as waiting around.

She's certainly got her hands full in this season of her life. Maybe the time to put an emphasis on the number of friends she has has passed. Her focus on her family and whatever her official royal duties are. Most of us focus mainly on our families once we start having kids.

I don't think she ever developed those friendships in the first place, more than a decade before getting married and having kids. She started dating Will and her whole world revolved around him, she didn't have a typical college or post-grad experience which is a time a lot of those deep friendships develop, at least in my world. I think she focused on ingratiating herself with William's set, which she did to an extent, but was mostly just tolerated. It's kind of sad.

LOL, sure, the beautiful woman who married the future king of england's life is ... kind of sad.

LOL I guess if that makes you feel better.

Hypocrite poster: Kate is haggard, old, Waity Katie, has no friends, a doormat, her husband cheats on her, too skinny, ugly, dresses like an old woman, Wisteria Sisters, on and on.

ALSO

Hypocrite poster: How dare you call Meghan a gold digger!!!!111!! You're a racist! You hate black women! You keep her name outta your mouth! You are sooooo jealous. You hater!

It's just comical at this point. Criticizing Meghan is almost getting fun at this point to see her lose her tiny little mind over it.