Meghan and Prince Harry are moving to the U.S./Canada - OFFICIAL

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

It's obvious that they didn't click, but no one expected that they would. Honestly, I like my SILs but we're not friends either.

It sounds like you're trying to blame last weeks events on Kate. That's laughable. Harry and Meghan just didn't care about her, one way or the other. She didn't drive them away.

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Anonymous wrote:Palace sources from a colleague. Meghan told Kate that she should stand up for herself re the affair. William found out, confronted Harry and the brothers had a fistfight. They haven't spoked since the summer.

The person who shared this is a very reliable source.

I can totally see this. Don’t necessarily believe it is true but it’s totally believable.

It is believable. Reminds me of the rumors about why Solange beat Jay-Z in the elevator while her sister just stood there. Sometimes the stronger woman tries to support the wife and she is wasting her breath.

Is this the moment this thread officially jumped the shark?

That was long ago.

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Jim Lokey Fox 5 DC -- I've been watching you on the news for years. No more. I did not appreciate your "dumb and dumber" comment. Seeing the soles of your shoes while your feet were on the desk was also a really unprofessional look.

I'm taking my business to another channel. Goodbye.

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

Kate definitely smiled before MM. Good grief. Meghan didn’t like Kate because she was close to Harry, along with William and MM couldn’t have that.

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Actually I care about Meghan Markle because she was raised by a single mom, was the subject of unrelenting emotional and psychological abuse at the hands of her father and half-siblings, which played out in front of the entire world -- what a shitty and crazy way to treat a daughter, to treat a half-sister!! Crazy and brutal and disgusting -- and yet she prevailed. She succeeded despite all odds, and she succeeded spectacularly.

So that's why I'm in her corner, if you'd like to know.

I think she lived with her father for quite some time, and he paid for her expensive private schooling and gave her a springboard in Hollywood through his connections. I don't think this counts as "unrelenting abuse."

I don't think she succeeded against all odds - she was born to privilege and it must be said, worked tirelessly to grow it.

Her father used her for publicity. Her half-brother said publicly that it was not too late for Harry to back out. Her sister will tell anyone who will listen how horrible she thinks Meghan is.

You try living through that kind of torture. See how you turn out.

I'm not saying her father is an angel. But I don't think he paid for her private schooling to use her for publicity. Certainly she wasn't raised by "a single mother" if she lived in her dad since age 11 and benefited from his Hollywood connections.

Do I think it's fun, no. But I lived through civil war and bombing and dental filling done with no anesthesia, and I think I turned out alright so I don't quite get the hand-wringing. Into every life a little rain must fall.

So did your family put you through those traumas on purpose, or were they there to help you through them? Most people count on family to help them through the suffering life throws our way, not cause it.

His behavior and the behavior of Meghan's half-siblings is inexcusable. Not only does she have to suffer their emotional abuse, but then she's blamed for not having them in her life because of it. She can't win.

I'm on team MM all the way. No one should sit by and watch people inflict that kind of emotional pain on others and stay neutral. She was preparing to get married, and dealing with that insane crap? They are hateful trash and I have zero respect for them, and nothing but sympathy for Meghan for having them in her life.

When I lived in the developing world as an adult, I regularly got fillings with no numbing. It’s pretty routine there and not as bad as it sounds. Certainly not traumatic. I have not lived through a civil war, but I don’t consider myself a bad ass for my dental experience. I have had a broken bone set with no pain relief. That got my attention. Still not traumatizing in and off itself.

Seriously? OMG, WHO CARES. If you weren't hurt by it then it doesn't matter, now does it? Are you also saying you would not be hurt if your father talked shit about you to the world, or if your sibling posted an open letter to your future husband telling him it's not too late to back out of your wedding? Really? Then you are weird as f$$$. Most people would be devastated by that kind of back stabbing. I know I would.

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Actually I care about Meghan Markle because she was raised by a single mom, was the subject of unrelenting emotional and psychological abuse at the hands of her father and half-siblings, which played out in front of the entire world -- what a shitty and crazy way to treat a daughter, to treat a half-sister!! Crazy and brutal and disgusting -- and yet she prevailed. She succeeded despite all odds, and she succeeded spectacularly.

So that's why I'm in her corner, if you'd like to know.

I think she lived with her father for quite some time, and he paid for her expensive private schooling and gave her a springboard in Hollywood through his connections. I don't think this counts as "unrelenting abuse."

I don't think she succeeded against all odds - she was born to privilege and it must be said, worked tirelessly to grow it.

Her father used her for publicity. Her half-brother said publicly that it was not too late for Harry to back out. Her sister will tell anyone who will listen how horrible she thinks Meghan is.

You try living through that kind of torture. See how you turn out.

I'm not saying her father is an angel. But I don't think he paid for her private schooling to use her for publicity. Certainly she wasn't raised by "a single mother" if she lived in her dad since age 11 and benefited from his Hollywood connections.

Do I think it's fun, no. But I lived through civil war and bombing and dental filling done with no anesthesia, and I think I turned out alright so I don't quite get the hand-wringing. Into every life a little rain must fall.

So did your family put you through those traumas on purpose, or were they there to help you through them? Most people count on family to help them through the suffering life throws our way, not cause it.

His behavior and the behavior of Meghan's half-siblings is inexcusable. Not only does she have to suffer their emotional abuse, but then she's blamed for not having them in her life because of it. She can't win.

I'm on team MM all the way. No one should sit by and watch people inflict that kind of emotional pain on others and stay neutral. She was preparing to get married, and dealing with that insane crap? They are hateful trash and I have zero respect for them, and nothing but sympathy for Meghan for having them in her life.

Eh, I'm not saying they are angels. People are complex. They are capable of both moral highs and lows.

Pain is not necessarily more acute because your family is involved. I mean you want to put it this way, civil war, in a manner of speaking, is your country turning against you, similar to the way you think MM's family turned against her. Let's not put pain on the scale.

It would also be quite accurate to say that if Meghan didn't have her father in her life, she wouldn't have the benefit of expensive private schooling or a jumpstart in Hollywood. She'd be another girl raised by a poor single mother, and these girls have it much harder.

Again, I'm not saying her father is an angel or siding with him. Just reminding you that he did something good for her as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Palace sources from a colleague. Meghan told Kate that she should stand up for herself re the affair. William found out, confronted Harry and the brothers had a fistfight. They haven't spoked since the summer.

The person who shared this is a very reliable source.

My money is on Harry.

Right. Just how do you think William would have confronted Harry? Hey bro, get your broad until control, stop her from talking to my wife? You have a rich fantasy life.

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When I lived in the developing world as an adult, I regularly got fillings with no numbing. It’s pretty routine there and not as bad as it sounds. Certainly not traumatic. I have not lived through a civil war, but I don’t consider myself a bad ass for my dental experience. I have had a broken bone set with no pain relief. That got my attention. Still not traumatizing in and off itself.

Ah but do you still have your sense of sarcasm? or was that too subtle?

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

No, I'm not buying it. First of all, KM's family is not middle class. Middle class families do not send their daughters to private schools or vacation in Mustique, and certainly Marlborough College is out of reach of most middle class families. Her father has solid trust funds. I'm not saying they are aristocrats, certainly, but the family's wealth is moving them into the UMC category.

Second, KM never struck me as someone who has ambitions to be popular or accomplished; certainly, if she wanted to learn to smile, there are plenty of people in her orbit to learn from!

Third, it doesn't really matter how much MM smiles vs. KM. Kate's position in the family is forever above Meghan's, as is her financial standing. I don't get the vibe that KM is aching to mingle with the jet set. I think she is content to lead a comfortable life with her family and appear in public as much as necessary and not more.

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My mindset is my mindset. Meghan wasn’t unattached when she agreed to a date with Harry. That right there is not someone who has the personal conscious to become and remain a royal. She’s happy until something better comes along. I, myself have never agreed to a date while also dating someone else quite consistently. It’s just not nice. Add to that, she mailed her wedding rings to her ex-husband and she was estranged from her entire family, with the exception of her mother, and those are huge red flags. All the fiasco leading up to the wedding where she ended up having exactly ONE family member there for her. Her mother sat alone. I felt very sad for her mom that she appeared so alone during this huge and televised wedding. She shared Charles with Camilla. No aunt, uncle, cousin, no one....just her new “celebrity friends” like Oprah. No attempt to include her father and give him the chance to meet Harry. She just does not care about anyone who cannot advance her agenda in life. She and her dad were very close while she was growing up, and yes, he did boneheaded things surrounding the engagement. But it is my feeling that he did it mostly out of hurt. Why not at least let her Dad meet Harry BEFORE the royal announcement of the engagement. It would have been a kind thing to do if only a gesture to her dad. She made it impossible for him to attend the wedding. She could have put all that crap behind her and at least let him walk her down the aisle. The weak and unfaithful Charles was not a better choice. Not one male family member she could allow in? No, because it was ALL about poor Meghan and how she was abandoned by her dad. He may not be perfect, but neither is she, and that would have been a chance to show the royal family that she had the grace of forgiveness, that family meant as much to her as it did to the royal family, but then there wouldn’t have been all the press leading up to the wedding. In my opinion, she thrives on chaos and being in the middle of it.

She held onto her pregnant belly as though someone would steal the baby from her womb, and she honestly just looked so weird and possessive. And possessive she is. She couldn’t follow in the steps of Diana and Kate and give the excited world a peek of her new baby....no, no no. She is special and she will do everything her way. That’s fine, but honestly, they came off as selfish jerks by refusing to let only his feet be seen. One thing I do agree with, is that she just could not stand being a royal but having to walk behind Kate. Meghan needs to be upfront and center. No second fiddle for her. And that is perfectly fine, but she knew the rules going in and she thought she would just do things her way, but found that’s not how things work. Honestly, how hard was her life? Celebrities get a million times more bad press than she can ever hope for, but they are smart enough to not read the tabloids and she should have done the same and been secure in herself and in her role in the royal family....they had her back and they accepted her. All the gossip about them not supporting her was just that, gossip. I was so excited to see Will, Kate, Harry and Meghan, THE FAB FOUR, getting along, putting a fresh face on the royals, and working towards less archaic protocols, but Meghan couldn’t even play nice for a few years. She gave it no chance. Who asks their husband to turn his back on his family and heritage because of some trashy gossip rags? Especially since she was so sure she was going to hit the ground running and was excited about her new role in life. You know who does that? Someone who has alienated almost their entire family and whose friends are celebrities or millionaires. No childhood friend stood up for Miss Markle at her wedding. After the press went nuts over Pippa in Kate’s wedding, no way was she chancing a repeat of that....not that she had a childhood friend to ask.

Sadly, I too fell for her fakeness. I was so excited when she and Harry were engaged, I thought she was gorgeous as a bride, and I was so excited she became pregnant so quickly. I just knew they would have the most adorable children. I’m an American and am disappointed in their actions so I cannot imagine how many in England feel now about the money they have spent on the royal couple who now want to reign as prince and princess in Canada. It stinks, it’s wrong, and soon they will fade away. I do believe had she not manipulated this little scheme, they would have been wildly popular for years to come. But their mask has fallen and they are exposed. OMG, how dare she not be able to use social media as she wanted. What a stupid and selfish reason to hurt Harry, and he will be hurt, and his family. The good thing, when things crumble, and they will, the royals will welcome Harry with open arms....Meghan will have no one but her child/children she will share custody of.

Girl... I’m fascinated. What is your deal? Are you the one who wanted them to become homesteaders upthread? Did you post about failing 2 college courses many pages back?
It’s time for an AMA!

I’m just a regular poster who has followed the news and put my own personal thoughts here.

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Anonymous wrote:I dip in and out of this thread daily, from the start but I can't say I have read every single detail.

From what I understand, very early on Kate Middleton was totally freaked out by the poise and confidence of MM. If you remember, before MM came on the scene, KM did not smile in photos, she stood, stiffly, lightly holding her hands together in front of her. After MM she started waving, smiling directly at cameras - she learned a lot from her, very quickly and applied it.

There is a TV production company who have been making a documentary and have had royal access. They were keen to let slip that KM was freaking about MM. However no one really picked up on this despite picking up on a "rivalry" or rift between the two women and citing the example that KM told MM not to chastise HER staff.

KM is a middle class daughter of an airline stewardess and a party planner dad. She has a steady but very boring background. She is not sophisticated and she is not intellectual. She is essentially a typical, small-minded British girl (I'm British I know what I'm talking about) and her peevishness would perhaps if directed to a girl with less independence and self-confidence, have been a way to make KM feel superior. However MM clearly takes no sh*te from anyone, as she shouldn't and KM's approach backfired.

Hence the rift.

It's obvious that they didn't click, but no one expected that they would. Honestly, I like my SILs but we're not friends either.

It sounds like you're trying to blame last weeks events on Kate. That's laughable. Harry and Meghan just didn't care about her, one way or the other. She didn't drive them away.

Sorry but the British press were pushing them as the next BFFs - saying Kate was 'guiding' Meghan and that the Fab Four would be amazing. Didn't work out because Kate has zero friends outside of her sister and even that is questionable and is more focused on keeping William happy anyway she can (and driving away any female friendships he's had since the beginning of their relationship),

I recall reading that she didn't even like Harry's last girlfriends - even though they were in the same 'position' at the time as waiting around.

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^^^I posted nothing about homesteads or college. Just my thoughts. Long winded as I was.

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Actually I care about Meghan Markle because she was raised by a single mom, was the subject of unrelenting emotional and psychological abuse at the hands of her father and half-siblings, which played out in front of the entire world -- what a shitty and crazy way to treat a daughter, to treat a half-sister!! Crazy and brutal and disgusting -- and yet she prevailed. She succeeded despite all odds, and she succeeded spectacularly.

So that's why I'm in her corner, if you'd like to know.

I think she lived with her father for quite some time, and he paid for her expensive private schooling and gave her a springboard in Hollywood through his connections. I don't think this counts as "unrelenting abuse."

I don't think she succeeded against all odds - she was born to privilege and it must be said, worked tirelessly to grow it.

Her father used her for publicity. Her half-brother said publicly that it was not too late for Harry to back out. Her sister will tell anyone who will listen how horrible she thinks Meghan is.

You try living through that kind of torture. See how you turn out.

I'm not saying her father is an angel. But I don't think he paid for her private schooling to use her for publicity. Certainly she wasn't raised by "a single mother" if she lived in her dad since age 11 and benefited from his Hollywood connections.

Do I think it's fun, no. But I lived through civil war and bombing and dental filling done with no anesthesia, and I think I turned out alright so I don't quite get the hand-wringing. Into every life a little rain must fall.

So did your family put you through those traumas on purpose, or were they there to help you through them? Most people count on family to help them through the suffering life throws our way, not cause it.

His behavior and the behavior of Meghan's half-siblings is inexcusable. Not only does she have to suffer their emotional abuse, but then she's blamed for not having them in her life because of it. She can't win.

I'm on team MM all the way. No one should sit by and watch people inflict that kind of emotional pain on others and stay neutral. She was preparing to get married, and dealing with that insane crap? They are hateful trash and I have zero respect for them, and nothing but sympathy for Meghan for having them in her life.

When I lived in the developing world as an adult, I regularly got fillings with no numbing. It’s pretty routine there and not as bad as it sounds. Certainly not traumatic. I have not lived through a civil war, but I don’t consider myself a bad ass for my dental experience. I have had a broken bone set with no pain relief. That got my attention. Still not traumatizing in and off itself.

Seriously? OMG, WHO CARES. If you weren't hurt by it then it doesn't matter, now does it? Are you also saying you would not be hurt if your father talked shit about you to the world, or if your sibling posted an open letter to your future husband telling him it's not too late to back out of your wedding? Really? Then you are weird as f$$$. Most people would be devastated by that kind of back stabbing. I know I would.

I’m not remotely anti-MM. in fact, I’ve been writing positively and in defense of her for years. Ask Jeff. I just think that people on DCUM throw the word traumatic around too easily. I have significant complex PTSD so I actually know what it’s like to be traumatized. Dental fillings without anesthesia are a common practice for most of the world. And compared to what truly poor kids (and I was one) experience regular, kind of self-absorbed to claim as trauma.

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Anonymous wrote:Jim Lokey Fox 5 DC -- I've been watching you on the news for years. No more. I did not appreciate your "dumb and dumber" comment. Seeing the soles of your shoes while your feet were on the desk was also a really unprofessional look.

I'm taking my business to another channel. Goodbye.

Who is he addressing?

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Actually I care about Meghan Markle because she was raised by a single mom, was the subject of unrelenting emotional and psychological abuse at the hands of her father and half-siblings, which played out in front of the entire world -- what a shitty and crazy way to treat a daughter, to treat a half-sister!! Crazy and brutal and disgusting -- and yet she prevailed. She succeeded despite all odds, and she succeeded spectacularly.

So that's why I'm in her corner, if you'd like to know.

I think she lived with her father for quite some time, and he paid for her expensive private schooling and gave her a springboard in Hollywood through his connections. I don't think this counts as "unrelenting abuse."

I don't think she succeeded against all odds - she was born to privilege and it must be said, worked tirelessly to grow it.

Her father used her for publicity. Her half-brother said publicly that it was not too late for Harry to back out. Her sister will tell anyone who will listen how horrible she thinks Meghan is.

You try living through that kind of torture. See how you turn out.

I'm not saying her father is an angel. But I don't think he paid for her private schooling to use her for publicity. Certainly she wasn't raised by "a single mother" if she lived in her dad since age 11 and benefited from his Hollywood connections.

Do I think it's fun, no. But I lived through civil war and bombing and dental filling done with no anesthesia, and I think I turned out alright so I don't quite get the hand-wringing. Into every life a little rain must fall.

So did your family put you through those traumas on purpose, or were they there to help you through them? Most people count on family to help them through the suffering life throws our way, not cause it.

His behavior and the behavior of Meghan's half-siblings is inexcusable. Not only does she have to suffer their emotional abuse, but then she's blamed for not having them in her life because of it. She can't win.

I'm on team MM all the way. No one should sit by and watch people inflict that kind of emotional pain on others and stay neutral. She was preparing to get married, and dealing with that insane crap? They are hateful trash and I have zero respect for them, and nothing but sympathy for Meghan for having them in her life.

When I lived in the developing world as an adult, I regularly got fillings with no numbing. It’s pretty routine there and not as bad as it sounds. Certainly not traumatic. I have not lived through a civil war, but I don’t consider myself a bad ass for my dental experience. I have had a broken bone set with no pain relief. That got my attention. Still not traumatizing in and off itself.

Seriously? OMG, WHO CARES. If you weren't hurt by it then it doesn't matter, now does it? Are you also saying you would not be hurt if your father talked shit about you to the world, or if your sibling posted an open letter to your future husband telling him it's not too late to back out of your wedding? Really? Then you are weird as f$$$. Most people would be devastated by that kind of back stabbing. I know I would.

I’m not remotely anti-MM. in fact, I’ve been writing positively and in defense of her for years. Ask Jeff. I just think that people on DCUM throw the word traumatic around too easily. I have significant complex PTSD so I actually know what it’s like to be traumatized. Dental fillings without anesthesia are a common practice for most of the world. And compared to what truly poor kids (and I was one) experience regular, kind of self-absorbed to claim as trauma.

People all have their struggles. Don’t try to one up...it’s not a nice look. We can sympathize with lots of posters.