How long will the shutdown last?

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Anonymous wrote:Fun Fact: The deficit created daily in this country exceeds $5 billion.

The Democrats would be crazy to approve spending any money on the wall.
I will loose my faith in humanity if that happens

Democrats all voted for the wall in the past

Secure Fence Act, a 2006 political compromise on immigration. Signed by President Bush and supported by 90 Democratic members of Congress, it included funding for "two layers of reinforced fencing" plus "additional physical barriers" along roughly 700 miles of border from California to Texas.

Among the senators who backed it: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and current Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.

Democrats offered Trump $25 billion for the wall as recently as last year. He chose to turn them down. No more coddling the orange toddler.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at this map. We have a major problem

How so? The areas without fencing are extremely remote. There are no roads out there, no houses, nothing but desert. Crossing it is very difficult. Border Patrol would benefit from helicopters and drones for those areas.

People are still crossing in those remote areas, even given how dangerous it is. A wall is needed there.

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Anonymous wrote:The general alt-right response to why the Canadian healthcare system won't work for the US is that it can't be "scaled up" -- that when take something which can be funded, delivered, monitored and enforced on a small scale, it doesn't necessarily translate into something which can be done on a large scale.

Sometimes small issues at the small scale become insurmountable on a larger scale. For example, the issue of eminent domain is not usually an issue for building a fence or wall on your own property -- but it sure as hell is going to rear up if you are fencing off all of the southern border of the US, and exponentially so.

Why does that make it insurmountable? Take the eminent domain cases to court along with the nature reserves and everyone else who has an issue with it. It may take years but so what? Let it play out.

It's not insurmountable, it's just one (*of many*) costs that aren't being addressed. Make a realistic assessment of the scale-up costs, acknowledge how they come into play -- and not in, say, a private home's fence -- and then run it up the GAO flagpole.

But you won't. You just point to a private home fence and act like that's some kind of reasonable analogy.

well again i'm not the one who point to a private home fence as an analogy. And again, the parallel is that fences keep people out... which is exactly what a wall would do. Sure we could discussed the total costs but that isnt was is even being requested here so not sure what your point is.

Clearly a fence couldn't keep illegals from working at Trump's golf resort so not sure what your point is.

If the first wall on the border had been there, they would not have made it to Trump's golf resort fences.

The border wall isnt the only solution. Mandatory e-verify will solve the issue of getting past golf resort fences if they get past the first wall..

Well no, because the Trump Organization knowingly hid illegal immigrants, so making it mandatory just provides another crime to charge them with. That said you really have no idea how these people made their way to the US. They could have easily flown here to visit family.

Even if they flew in mandatory e-verify would prevent them from working.

I also support other measures to ensure people here illegally get caught and sent home. No one really has the stones to put in place what needs to be done to get these folks out. But at the very least we need to make sure it isnt easy to be here undocumented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fun Fact: The deficit created daily in this country exceeds $5 billion.

The Democrats would be crazy to approve spending any money on the wall.
I will loose my faith in humanity if that happens

Democrats all voted for the wall in the past

Secure Fence Act, a 2006 political compromise on immigration. Signed by President Bush and supported by 90 Democratic members of Congress, it included funding for "two layers of reinforced fencing" plus "additional physical barriers" along roughly 700 miles of border from California to Texas.

Among the senators who backed it: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and current Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.

Democrats offered Trump $25 billion for the wall as recently as last year. He chose to turn them down. No more coddling the orange toddler.

+1 this is what Republicans constantly ignore. He was offered what he wants and then some. He’s made many deals over the last two years that he backed down on. He’s agreed to things and changed his mind multiple times in the same week (like the CR right before the shutdown). Republicans call this @sticking it to the libs” but really it’s just dishonest negotiation. At some point people stop believing him. He could have had what he wanted by now but his overriding desire is “I get everything I want, you get nothing you want”. When he says “I’m ready to make a deal”, what he means is, give me everything. You lose. The bozo needs to read up on game theory.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The general alt-right response to why the Canadian healthcare system won't work for the US is that it can't be "scaled up" -- that when take something which can be funded, delivered, monitored and enforced on a small scale, it doesn't necessarily translate into something which can be done on a large scale.

Sometimes small issues at the small scale become insurmountable on a larger scale. For example, the issue of eminent domain is not usually an issue for building a fence or wall on your own property -- but it sure as hell is going to rear up if you are fencing off all of the southern border of the US, and exponentially so.

Why does that make it insurmountable? Take the eminent domain cases to court along with the nature reserves and everyone else who has an issue with it. It may take years but so what? Let it play out.

It's not insurmountable, it's just one (*of many*) costs that aren't being addressed. Make a realistic assessment of the scale-up costs, acknowledge how they come into play -- and not in, say, a private home's fence -- and then run it up the GAO flagpole.

But you won't. You just point to a private home fence and act like that's some kind of reasonable analogy.

well again i'm not the one who point to a private home fence as an analogy. And again, the parallel is that fences keep people out... which is exactly what a wall would do. Sure we could discussed the total costs but that isnt was is even being requested here so not sure what your point is.

Clearly a fence couldn't keep illegals from working at Trump's golf resort so not sure what your point is.

If the first wall on the border had been there, they would not have made it to Trump's golf resort fences.

The border wall isnt the only solution. Mandatory e-verify will solve the issue of getting past golf resort fences if they get past the first wall..

Well no, because the Trump Organization knowingly hid illegal immigrants, so making it mandatory just provides another crime to charge them with. That said you really have no idea how these people made their way to the US. They could have easily flown here to visit family.

Even if they flew in mandatory e-verify would prevent them from working.

I also support other measures to ensure people here illegally get caught and sent home. No one really has the stones to put in place what needs to be done to get these folks out. But at the very least we need to make sure it isnt easy to be here undocumented.

It's hard to take Trump seriously on illegal immigration when he has no problem bending the rules to suit himself.

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There is no crisis - border apprehensions are at about the same level they were in the early 1970's. Our President is a madman, being enabled by people in his own party who have no interest in doing what is best for our country.

More people - including children - will die at the border. And the longer the government shutdown goes on, the more likely it becomes that some loss of life results from that. I'm just so tired of this. I want my country back.

[Anonymous]

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Even if they flew in mandatory e-verify would prevent them from working.

I also support other measures to ensure people here illegally get caught and sent home. No one really has the stones to put in place what needs to be done to get these folks out. But at the very least we need to make sure it isnt easy to be here undocumented.

Does e-Verify work if they present forged documents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep it shutdown!

This is start of class warfare on elites.

What? I hate stupid people.

[Anonymous]

I know the Mueller investigation is funded, but when the courts run out of money and close, will his access to the grand Jury be suspended? So, will he not be able to indict anyone else or act on indictments already filed?

[Anonymous]

The shutdown has little to do with security or even campaign promisies. It’s a way for Trump to, once again, control the narrative. He gives a rats ass about anything other than keeping the story on him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The shutdown has little to do with security or even campaign promisies. It’s a way for Trump to, once again, control the narrative. He gives a rats ass about anything other than keeping the story on him.

Because you would prefer democrats control the narrative: Impeach! Mueller! Russia!

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Anonymous wrote:The shutdown has little to do with security or even campaign promisies. It’s a way for Trump to, once again, control the narrative. He gives a rats ass about anything other than keeping the story on him.

Because you would prefer democrats control the narrative: Impeach! Mueller! Russia!

I would prefer we open the government and pass laws they HELP people. What do you want?

You can’t own the libs forever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The shutdown has little to do with security or even campaign promisies. It’s a way for Trump to, once again, control the narrative. He gives a rats ass about anything other than keeping the story on him.

Because you would prefer democrats control the narrative: Impeach! Mueller! Russia!

I would prefer we open the government and pass laws they HELP people. What do you want?

You can’t own the libs forever.

I would prefer they keep the govt closed and pass less laws. We've had 200+ years of government and we have laws running out of our a****.

Maybe it's time to take a break from anymore unelected workers imposing more policy, law and paper on us. I don't need Washington DC to run every aspect of my life, unlike you hope for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The shutdown has little to do with security or even campaign promisies. It’s a way for Trump to, once again, control the narrative. He gives a rats ass about anything other than keeping the story on him.

Because you would prefer democrats control the narrative: Impeach! Mueller! Russia!

I would prefer we open the government and pass laws they HELP people. What do you want?

You can’t own the libs forever.

I would prefer they keep the govt closed and pass less laws. We've had 200+ years of government and we have laws running out of our a****.

Maybe it's time to take a break from anymore unelected workers imposing more policy, law and paper on us. I don't need Washington DC to run every aspect of my life, unlike you hope for.

Unelected workers? Was Trump installed by aliens?

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I'm talking about all the federal departments and agencies with lifers installed that churn out policy, guidelines, and reams of bureaucratic BS.