Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Not true with respect to TJ football. They don’t play schools of similar size. They got permission to punch down and play much smaller schools and groups of homeschooled students. It’s “cheating” just like Hayfield, just in a different way.

The "group of homeschooled students" crushed them. Its hard for a school like TJ to find even opponents. I think they did a pretty good job with their schedule. They had a close loss to Lewis. Most of their other games this fall they lost by a large margin. (How are they cheating again?) They also played and lost to Stonewall Jackson, which is a larger public school.

How long ago was that?
Assuming you're talking about the school on Rixlew ln. in Manassas--that school hasn't been called Stonewall Jackson in over 4 years! An entire class of students has entered as freshmen and already graduated from that school under it's current name, Unity Reed.

PP (that mentioned Stonewall Jackson changing name to Unity Reed) here.

I looked at TJ's football schedule and see that TJ played Stonewall Jackson high school in Quicksburg, not the school in Manassas formerly named Stonewall Jackson.
Stonewall Jackson HS in Quicksburg is in Shenandoah county (over 100 miles from TJ) and according to Wikipedia had an enrollment of 598 students in the 23-24 school year. So it's less than 1/3 the enrollment of TJ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Jackson_High_School_(Shenandoah_County,_Virginia)

so nobody is saying anything about TJ’s cheating.

I never said anything about TJ cheating or not. I'm just correcting the poster that said that TJ played football against a "larger public school" named Stonewall Jackson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what was the score?

They lost, so it seems like a reasonable matchup. Not sure what TJs football
team has to do with Overtons's cheating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what was the score?

They lost, so it seems like a reasonable matchup. Not sure what TJs football
team has to do with Overtons's cheating.

Overton fan club president is just trying to distract from Hayfield's revolting situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Not true with respect to TJ football. They don’t play schools of similar size. They got permission to punch down and play much smaller schools and groups of homeschooled students. It’s “cheating” just like Hayfield, just in a different way.

Yes, you are basically correct. They are playing much smaller schools. It’s not fair for a 6A school to be playing 2A schools. Hayfield is a 6A school playing other 6A schools.

Which school has more integrity?

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Anonymous wrote:So what was the score?

They lost, so it seems like a reasonable matchup. Not sure what TJs football
team has to do with Overtons's cheating.

Agree. I once saw a turtle. TJ’s football schedule has as much relevance to Overton discussion as does that turtle sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:So what was the score?

They lost, so it seems like a reasonable matchup. Not sure what TJs football
team has to do with Overtons's cheating.

Agree. I once saw a turtle. TJ’s football schedule has as much relevance to Overton discussion as does that turtle sentence.

Why can’t they just pick on someone their own size?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what was the score?

They lost, so it seems like a reasonable matchup. Not sure what TJs football
team has to do with Overtons's cheating.

Agree. I once saw a turtle. TJ’s football schedule has as much relevance to Overton discussion as does that turtle sentence.

Why can’t they just pick on someone their own size?

During the merit admission era, TJ teams that did play regular high schools made an agreement with the other coach to only play their JV team. This includes the 2020 year as previously claimed. Their ether played a JV team or a home school team.

For those complaining about Hayfield, those kids not playing for his team can play JV or Rec ball elsewhere. Varsity sports, as with any other activity (non-sports) has an impact on college admission, the student needs to be able to demonstrate achievement, as well as depth of involvement, and leadership. Students don’t get selected to a college just because they were participants in the Junior and Senior Years of their high school experience.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what was the score?

They lost, so it seems like a reasonable matchup. Not sure what TJs football
team has to do with Overtons's cheating.

Agree. I once saw a turtle. TJ’s football schedule has as much relevance to Overton discussion as does that turtle sentence.

Why can’t they just pick on someone their own size?

During the merit admission era, TJ teams that did play regular high schools made an agreement with the other coach to only play their JV team. This includes the 2020 year as previously claimed. Their ether played a JV team or a home school team.

For those complaining about Hayfield, those kids not playing for his team can play JV or Rec ball elsewhere. Varsity sports, as with any other activity (non-sports) has an impact on college admission, the student needs to be able to demonstrate achievement, as well as depth of involvement, and leadership. Students don’t get selected to a college just because they were participants in the Junior and Senior Years of their high school experience..

JV is often kids 13 and 14 years old. A 6A varsity high school team with 17, 18, and 19 year olds shouldn’t be playing football against against 13 and 14 year olds. That’s ridiculous and unsafe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what was the score?

They lost, so it seems like a reasonable matchup. Not sure what TJs football
team has to do with Overtons's cheating.

Agree. I once saw a turtle. TJ’s football schedule has as much relevance to Overton discussion as does that turtle sentence.

Why can’t they just pick on someone their own size?

During the merit admission era, TJ teams that did play regular high schools made an agreement with the other coach to only play their JV team. This includes the 2020 year as previously claimed. Their ether played a JV team or a home school team.

For those complaining about Hayfield, those kids not playing for his team can play JV or Rec ball elsewhere. Varsity sports, as with any other activity (non-sports) has an impact on college admission, the student needs to be able to demonstrate achievement, as well as depth of involvement, and leadership. Students don’t get selected to a college just because they were participants in the Junior and Senior Years of their high school experience.

Wow, you are ignorant about local sports! Community rec tackle football ends everywhere in 8th grade in Fairfax County because kids then move up and play freshman, JV and Varsity. 33 players transferring in and taking positions away from kids who faiy expected to play leaves those kids zero options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what was the score?

They lost, so it seems like a reasonable matchup. Not sure what TJs football
team has to do with Overtons's cheating.

Agree. I once saw a turtle. TJ’s football schedule has as much relevance to Overton discussion as does that turtle sentence.

Why can’t they just pick on someone their own size?

During the merit admission era, TJ teams that did play regular high schools made an agreement with the other coach to only play their JV team. This includes the 2020 year as previously claimed. Their ether played a JV team or a home school team.

For those complaining about Hayfield, those kids not playing for his team can play JV or Rec ball elsewhere. Varsity sports, as with any other activity (non-sports) has an impact on college admission, the student needs to be able to demonstrate achievement, as well as depth of involvement, and leadership. Students don’t get selected to a college just because they were participants in the Junior and Senior Years of their high school experience..

JV is often kids 13 and 14 years old. A 6A varsity high school team with 17, 18, and 19 year olds shouldn’t be playing football against against 13 and 14 year olds. That’s ridiculous and unsafe.

Are you insane? JV football is 10th-11th grade. In FCPS, those would be kids no younger than 15. Kids turn 16 ad sophomores.

Kids who are 13 are in 7th grade.

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Hayfield coach booster is trying to drag other programs down into the mud and much with Hayfield. Its not happening.
TJ's integrity is just fine.

Hayfield Coach and program is a joke and everyone--including coaches of real teams--is laughing at his tiny little ego.

[Anonymous]

No FCPS 13 year olds play JV football. Wow you are dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what was the score?

They lost, so it seems like a reasonable matchup. Not sure what TJs football
team has to do with Overtons's cheating.

Agree. I once saw a turtle. TJ’s football schedule has as much relevance to Overton discussion as does that turtle sentence.

Why can’t they just pick on someone their own size?

During the merit admission era, TJ teams that did play regular high schools made an agreement with the other coach to only play their JV team. This includes the 2020 year as previously claimed. Their ether played a JV team or a home school team.

For those complaining about Hayfield, those kids not playing for his team can play JV or Rec ball elsewhere. Varsity sports, as with any other activity (non-sports) has an impact on college admission, the student needs to be able to demonstrate achievement, as well as depth of involvement, and leadership. Students don’t get selected to a college just because they were participants in the Junior and Senior Years of their high school experience..

JV is often kids 13 and 14 years old. A 6A varsity high school team with 17, 18, and 19 year olds shouldn’t be playing football against against 13 and 14 year olds. That’s ridiculous and unsafe.

Wrong!!! JV can include Juniors and Seniors. Also, freshmen are typically at 14-15, and sophomores are at 15-16.

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Freshman play on the Freshman football team.

No Seniors play JV in FCPS.

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VHSL does not allow seniors to play JV football.