Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Not true with respect to TJ football. They don’t play schools of similar size. They got permission to punch down and play much smaller schools and groups of homeschooled students. It’s “cheating” just like Hayfield, just in a different way.

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Not true with respect to TJ football. They don’t play schools of similar size. They got permission to punch down and play much smaller schools and groups of homeschooled students. It’s “cheating” just like Hayfield, just in a different way.

GMAFB. Its not at all like Hayfield. No one cheats like Hayfield.

TJ and Hayfield both played Lewis this fall. Who is punching down?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Not true with respect to TJ football. They don’t play schools of similar size. They got permission to punch down and play much smaller schools and groups of homeschooled students. It’s “cheating” just like Hayfield, just in a different way.

The "group of homeschooled students" crushed them. Its hard for a school like TJ to find even opponents. I think they did a pretty good job with their schedule. They had a close loss to Lewis. Most of their other games this fall they lost by a large margin. (How are they cheating again?) They also played and lost to Stonewall Jackson, which is a larger public school.

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Surprised TJ has a team at all. If my kid was that smart, I would want to protect his brain.

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

T


Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Not true with respect to TJ football. They don’t play schools of similar size. They got permission to punch down and play much smaller schools and groups of homeschooled students. It’s “cheating” just like Hayfield, just in a different way.

GMAFB. Its not at all like Hayfield. No one cheats like Hayfield.

TJ and Hayfield both played Lewis this fall. Who is punching down?

TJ has over 2100 students. They should be playing similarly sized schools, not schools like Manassas Park with half as many students or groups of homeschoolers.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Different poster - yes they are laughable

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

T


Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Not true with respect to TJ football. They don’t play schools of similar size. They got permission to punch down and play much smaller schools and groups of homeschooled students. It’s “cheating” just like Hayfield, just in a different way.

GMAFB. Its not at all like Hayfield. No one cheats like Hayfield.

TJ and Hayfield both played Lewis this fall. Who is punching down?

TJ has over 2100 students. They should be playing similarly sized schools, not schools like Manassas Park with half as many students or groups of homeschoolers.

Its not necessarily about the size of the student body, its also the demographics of who attends that school. There simply aren't a lot of football-inclined students at TJ. They have lost most of their games this season which clearly shows the schedule was not too easy.

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Anonymous wrote:Surprised TJ has a team at all. If my kid was that smart, I would want to protect his brain.

They were a competitive football squad a decade ago, winning against neighborhong schools like Woodson, Oakton, etc on occasion.

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Anonymous wrote:Surprised TJ has a team at all. If my kid was that smart, I would want to protect his brain.

They were a competitive football squad a decade ago, winning against neighborhong schools like Woodson, Oakton, etc on occasion.

Surprising.

The idea that TJ and the Potomac Mills All Stars both played the same team is just pathetic

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Anonymous wrote:Surprised TJ has a team at all. If my kid was that smart, I would want to protect his brain.

They were a competitive football squad a decade ago, winning against neighborhong schools like Woodson, Oakton, etc on occasion.

Surprising.

The idea that TJ and the Potomac Mills All Stars both played the same team is just pathetic

The demographics at TJ 15 years ago better supported a competitive football program. That’s probably the gist of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Not true with respect to TJ football. They don’t play schools of similar size. They got permission to punch down and play much smaller schools and groups of homeschooled students. It’s “cheating” just like Hayfield, just in a different way.

The "group of homeschooled students" crushed them. Its hard for a school like TJ to find even opponents. I think they did a pretty good job with their schedule. They had a close loss to Lewis. Most of their other games this fall they lost by a large margin. (How are they cheating again?) They also played and lost to Stonewall Jackson, which is a larger public school.

How long ago was that?
Assuming you're talking about the school on Rixlew ln. in Manassas--that school hasn't been called Stonewall Jackson in over 4 years! An entire class of students has entered as freshmen and already graduated from that school under it's current name, Unity Reed.

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Not true with respect to TJ football. They don’t play schools of similar size. They got permission to punch down and play much smaller schools and groups of homeschooled students. It’s “cheating” just like Hayfield, just in a different way.

The "group of homeschooled students" crushed them. Its hard for a school like TJ to find even opponents. I think they did a pretty good job with their schedule. They had a close loss to Lewis. Most of their other games this fall they lost by a large margin. (How are they cheating again?) They also played and lost to Stonewall Jackson, which is a larger public school.

How long ago was that?
Assuming you're talking about the school on Rixlew ln. in Manassas--that school hasn't been called Stonewall Jackson in over 4 years! An entire class of students has entered as freshmen and already graduated from that school under it's current name, Unity Reed.

PP (that mentioned Stonewall Jackson changing name to Unity Reed) here.

I looked at TJ's football schedule and see that TJ played Stonewall Jackson high school in Quicksburg, not the school in Manassas formerly named Stonewall Jackson.
Stonewall Jackson HS in Quicksburg is in Shenandoah county (over 100 miles from TJ) and according to Wikipedia had an enrollment of 598 students in the 23-24 school year. So it's less than 1/3 the enrollment of TJ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Jackson_High_School_(Shenandoah_County,_Virginia)

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So what was the score?

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....

Not true with respect to TJ football. They don’t play schools of similar size. They got permission to punch down and play much smaller schools and groups of homeschooled students. It’s “cheating” just like Hayfield, just in a different way.

The "group of homeschooled students" crushed them. Its hard for a school like TJ to find even opponents. I think they did a pretty good job with their schedule. They had a close loss to Lewis. Most of their other games this fall they lost by a large margin. (How are they cheating again?) They also played and lost to Stonewall Jackson, which is a larger public school.

How long ago was that?
Assuming you're talking about the school on Rixlew ln. in Manassas--that school hasn't been called Stonewall Jackson in over 4 years! An entire class of students has entered as freshmen and already graduated from that school under it's current name, Unity Reed.

PP (that mentioned Stonewall Jackson changing name to Unity Reed) here.

I looked at TJ's football schedule and see that TJ played Stonewall Jackson high school in Quicksburg, not the school in Manassas formerly named Stonewall Jackson.
Stonewall Jackson HS in Quicksburg is in Shenandoah county (over 100 miles from TJ) and according to Wikipedia had an enrollment of 598 students in the 23-24 school year. So it's less than 1/3 the enrollment of TJ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Jackson_High_School_(Shenandoah_County,_Virginia)

so nobody is saying anything about TJ’s cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:Surprised TJ has a team at all. If my kid was that smart, I would want to protect his brain.

“were”