USNWR Top 10 Leaked

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The top rankings always make me laugh. My kids are at top SLACs and I wouldn’t trade it for an ivy. Move a little further down the list and you get rid of maladjusted kids raised in a pressure cooker. A better measure would be who gets hired. Kids with social skills trump awkward Harvard grads who can’t make eye contact.

Not necessarily. You just get kids that didn’t get into an Ivy.

We have a very laid back household and my kids chose Ivy over Pomona and Williams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard and Stanford are 1 and 1a. MIT is great too but is still the other school in Cambridge. They don't have nearly the resources either. With real estate estimates, Stanford has the most $$ and in terms of pure endowment, Harvard has the most $$ of any school. Should we be shocked they are both great in pretty much every area.

Are you 90 years old? Harvard is now the other school in Cambridge.

Ask people in Europe what MIT is (mitt ). I was traveling with a Harvard grad who was more than a little amused by it.

Even in the US, there is a huge difference in name recognition. Lots of employers and educated people (even on DCUM) at least somewhat incorrectly think MIT is only good in certain STEM fields and a few social sciences.

All of the Europeans I met knew of both MIT and Harvard, although I don’t think it should be a metric for the quality of a university.

It's a very useless metric. Almost no one in North or South America, Africa, or Asia has heard of Imperial College. Or University College London. Or ETH Zurich. Or Leiden University.

The only reason most people around the world know of Harvard, Stanford, and MIT is because of the dominance of American pop culture for the past 75 years. If people in Sao Paolo were watching dozens of movies about the shenanigans of students at Uppsala University in Sweden, well, Uppsala University would be pretty famous too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:outside of the professional programs, duke’s other areas are lack luster. Its med, business, and law are a touch below the majority of the top 10 schools. but again; the non professional programs are sometimes significantly worse.


im talking chemistry, biology, physics, engineering in aggregate

engineering in particular outside of biomed is particularly meh.

So the list of USNWR top 10 undergrads that are top 12 in business, law, and medicine (ranks* in parentheses) are (alphabetically):

Duke (12, 4, 6)
Harvard (6, 4, 1)
Penn (1, 4, 6)
Stanford (1, 1, 8)
Yale (7, 1, 10)

These five schools are excellent in that their professional schools all rank highly like their undergrad. There are other schools, like Columbia and NYU, whose 3 professional schools rank top 10, too, but their undergrads were not ranked in the top 10 (and therefore did not make the list above because this thread is about USNWR top ten undergrads).


* Used 2023 rankings for medicine since these were the final time that USNWR assigned numerical rankings to med schools

While choosing top 12 here for MBA is a little odd, I suspect that the poster was trying to debunk the point a previous poster made that Duke’s professional programs lag those of other top 10 undergrad programs since it’s one of only 5 that can make this specific claim, with a later poster identifying the 4 universities that can claim top 10 across the board. To say that Duke lags the other top 10 undergrads when it comes to professional schools is not accurate since there are 5 other undergrads in the top 10 that don’t even clear this bar.

With that said, weird amount of specificity in this board. Duke is a top 10, in a cohort that probably looks like Penn, Duke, and Northwestern. Only Stanford and Harvard can reasonably lay claim to being “the best”, with Stanford probably being the best university on the Laney across the board at this point.

Anyways, my bold prediction for when the full rankings come out is that Brown tumbles (like Dartmouth did last year) and falls to being the lowest ranked of the Ivy League again. Not that bold, I guess.

Have a good weekend, and stay safe.

US News might rank Brown low but kids want to go to Brown at least as much as they want to go to Duke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:outside of the professional programs, duke’s other areas are lack luster. Its med, business, and law are a touch below the majority of the top 10 schools. but again; the non professional programs are sometimes significantly worse.


im talking chemistry, biology, physics, engineering in aggregate

engineering in particular outside of biomed is particularly meh.

So the list of USNWR top 10 undergrads that are top 12 in business, law, and medicine (ranks* in parentheses) are (alphabetically):

Duke (12, 4, 6)
Harvard (6, 4, 1)
Penn (1, 4, 6)
Stanford (1, 1, 8)
Yale (7, 1, 10)

These five schools are excellent in that their professional schools all rank highly like their undergrad. There are other schools, like Columbia and NYU, whose 3 professional schools rank top 10, too, but their undergrads were not ranked in the top 10 (and therefore did not make the list above because this thread is about USNWR top ten undergrads).


* Used 2023 rankings for medicine since these were the final time that USNWR assigned numerical rankings to med schools

While choosing top 12 here for MBA is a little odd, I suspect that the poster was trying to debunk the point a previous poster made that Duke’s professional programs lag those of other top 10 undergrad programs since it’s one of only 5 that can make this specific claim, with a later poster identifying the 4 universities that can claim top 10 across the board. To say that Duke lags the other top 10 undergrads when it comes to professional schools is not accurate since there are 5 other undergrads in the top 10 that don’t even clear this bar.

With that said, weird amount of specificity in this board. Duke is a top 10, in a cohort that probably looks like Penn, Duke, and Northwestern. Only Stanford and Harvard can reasonably lay claim to being “the best”, with Stanford probably being the best university on the Laney across the board at this point.

Anyways, my bold prediction for when the full rankings come out is that Brown tumbles (like Dartmouth did last year) and falls to being the lowest ranked of the Ivy League again. Not that bold, I guess.

Have a good weekend, and stay safe.

US News might rank Brown low but kids want to go to Brown at least as much as they want to go to Duke.

if Duke's professional schools were actually as good as Penn's, they would attract the same caliber of students. Why don't we take a look:

Penn LSAT/GPA: 172/3.93
Duke LSAT/GPA: 170/3.87

Penn GMAT/GPA: 738/3.6
Duke GMAT/GPA: 710/3.53

Penn MCAT/GPA: 522/3.97
Duke MCAT/GPA: 518/3.87

https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd/entering-class-profile.php
https://law.duke.edu/apply/classprofile
https://www.med.upenn.edu/admissions/entering-class-profile.html
https://medschool.duke.edu/education/health-professions-education-programs/doctor-medicine-md-program/admissions/admissions-5

Penn is more selective on the acceptance front as well across these professional programs. The non-professional components of Duke's grad schools look worse by other metrics too.

[Anonymous]

Let's do Northwestern as well:

Northwestern LSAT/GPA: 172/3.92
Duke LSAT/GPA: 170/3.87

Northwestern GMAT/GPA: 731/3.7 (average, median is just under)
Duke GMAT/GPA: 710/3.53

Northwestern MCAT/GPA: 520/3.92
Duke MCAT/GPA: 518/3.87

https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/programs/full-time-mba/class-profile.aspx
https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/admissions/about/class-profile.html
https://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissions/profile/jdprofile.html/

I'm sure Harvard and Yale's professional programs are more inline with Duke's entering student stats though right?

right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard and Stanford are 1 and 1a. MIT is great too but is still the other school in Cambridge. They don't have nearly the resources either. With real estate estimates, Stanford has the most $$ and in terms of pure endowment, Harvard has the most $$ of any school. Should we be shocked they are both great in pretty much every area.

Are you 90 years old? Harvard is now the other school in Cambridge.

Ask people in Europe what MIT is (mitt ). I was traveling with a Harvard grad who was more than a little amused by it.

Even in the US, there is a huge difference in name recognition. Lots of employers and educated people (even on DCUM) at least somewhat incorrectly think MIT is only good in certain STEM fields and a few social sciences.

All of the Europeans I met knew of both MIT and Harvard, although I don’t think it should be a metric for the quality of a university.

Harvard and MIT are both awesome but Harvard is Harvard when it comes to being the school you go to near Boston or in Cambridge

MIT is the better one in Cambridge now and is arguably THE top one in the entire world. Harvard has become a DEI cesspool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:outside of the professional programs, duke’s other areas are lack luster. Its med, business, and law are a touch below the majority of the top 10 schools. but again; the non professional programs are sometimes significantly worse.


im talking chemistry, biology, physics, engineering in aggregate

engineering in particular outside of biomed is particularly meh.

So the list of USNWR top 10 undergrads that are top 12 in business, law, and medicine (ranks* in parentheses) are (alphabetically):

Duke (12, 4, 6)
Harvard (6, 4, 1)
Penn (1, 4, 6)
Stanford (1, 1, 8)
Yale (7, 1, 10)

These five schools are excellent in that their professional schools all rank highly like their undergrad. There are other schools, like Columbia and NYU, whose 3 professional schools rank top 10, too, but their undergrads were not ranked in the top 10 (and therefore did not make the list above because this thread is about USNWR top ten undergrads).


* Used 2023 rankings for medicine since these were the final time that USNWR assigned numerical rankings to med schools

While choosing top 12 here for MBA is a little odd, I suspect that the poster was trying to debunk the point a previous poster made that Duke’s professional programs lag those of other top 10 undergrad programs since it’s one of only 5 that can make this specific claim, with a later poster identifying the 4 universities that can claim top 10 across the board. To say that Duke lags the other top 10 undergrads when it comes to professional schools is not accurate since there are 5 other undergrads in the top 10 that don’t even clear this bar.

With that said, weird amount of specificity in this board. Duke is a top 10, in a cohort that probably looks like Penn, Duke, and Northwestern. Only Stanford and Harvard can reasonably lay claim to being “the best”, with Stanford probably being the best university on the Laney across the board at this point.

Anyways, my bold prediction for when the full rankings come out is that Brown tumbles (like Dartmouth did last year) and falls to being the lowest ranked of the Ivy League again. Not that bold, I guess.

Have a good weekend, and stay safe.

US News might rank Brown low but kids want to go to Brown at least as much as they want to go to Duke.

if Duke's professional schools were actually as good as Penn's, they would attract the same caliber of students. Why don't we take a look:

Penn LSAT/GPA: 172/3.93
Duke LSAT/GPA: 170/3.87

Penn GMAT/GPA: 738/3.6
Duke GMAT/GPA: 710/3.53

Penn MCAT/GPA: 522/3.97
Duke MCAT/GPA: 518/3.87

https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd/entering-class-profile.php
https://law.duke.edu/apply/classprofile
https://www.med.upenn.edu/admissions/entering-class-profile.html
https://medschool.duke.edu/education/health-professions-education-programs/doctor-medicine-md-program/admissions/admissions-5

Penn is more selective on the acceptance front as well across these professional programs. The non-professional components of Duke's grad schools look worse by other metrics too.

Ok this is somewhat fair but honestly my kid is at a different ivy and they keep telling them that almost all premeds get in to US med schools even if they are below average gpa and now I get it because this undergrad boasts average 517 MCAT for med school applicants...so ...the top half definitely have a great shot at top med(Duke is good enough for DS are you kidding) and the bottom half will get in to decent US med schools too.

[Anonymous]

As for Hopkins, their MBA went full time in 2011 with a measly $500M initial seed. Duke's was founded in 1969. Not quite comparable.

Compare Hopkins med and Duke med and you see even more pronounced differences than Penn and Northwestern vs Duke.

Same with non-professional programs and Engineering at Northwestern, Penn, Hopkins, vs Duke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard and Stanford are 1 and 1a. MIT is great too but is still the other school in Cambridge. They don't have nearly the resources either. With real estate estimates, Stanford has the most $$ and in terms of pure endowment, Harvard has the most $$ of any school. Should we be shocked they are both great in pretty much every area.

Are you 90 years old? Harvard is now the other school in Cambridge.

Ask people in Europe what MIT is (mitt ). I was traveling with a Harvard grad who was more than a little amused by it.

Even in the US, there is a huge difference in name recognition. Lots of employers and educated people (even on DCUM) at least somewhat incorrectly think MIT is only good in certain STEM fields and a few social sciences.

All of the Europeans I met knew of both MIT and Harvard, although I don’t think it should be a metric for the quality of a university.

Harvard and MIT are both awesome but Harvard is Harvard when it comes to being the school you go to near Boston or in Cambridge

MIT is the better one in Cambridge now and is arguably THE top one in the entire world. Harvard has become a DEI cesspool.

Different schools? MIT arguably isn’t even that much better than Harvard in fields that it excels at.

“DEI cesspool” just sounds like cope. It objectively has the best faculty in the world in most of its subjects if Princeton or Cal hasn’t stolen them.

[Anonymous]

US News rankings for: Engineering (undergrad), Bio, Chem, Physics, Math, Econ, English, History) ranks:

Duke (Engineering,Bio,Chem, Phys, Math, Econ, English, History) =
(19, 11, 27, 28, 16, 18, 13, 18)

Northwestern =
(13, 32, 6, 21, 16, 8, 13, 16)

Hopkins =
(13, 6, 20, 13, 20, 22, 13, 10)

Penn =
(19, 15, 16, 13, 16, 9, 3, 11)

Duke doesn't have a singular top 10 engineering or non-professional grad school ranking. Head to head, Duke only out ranks 2 departments out of 8 or less against Northwestern, Penn, and Hopkins.

Again, it is overrated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:US News rankings for: Engineering (undergrad), Bio, Chem, Physics, Math, Econ, English, History) ranks:

Duke (Engineering,Bio,Chem, Phys, Math, Econ, English, History) =
(19, 11, 27, 28, 16, 18, 13, 18)

Northwestern =
(13, 32, 6, 21, 16, 8, 13, 16)

Hopkins =
(13, 6, 20, 13, 20, 22, 13, 10)

Penn =
(19, 15, 16, 13, 16, 9, 3, 11)

Duke doesn't have a singular top 10 engineering or non-professional grad school ranking. Head to head, Duke only out ranks 2 departments out of 8 or less against Northwestern, Penn, and Hopkins.

Again, it is overrated.

And yet students seem to care a lot more about Duke than going to school in Baltimore.

I don’t know why anyone thinks it’s bad if their department is 19th in the country

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:US News rankings for: Engineering (undergrad), Bio, Chem, Physics, Math, Econ, English, History) ranks:

Duke (Engineering,Bio,Chem, Phys, Math, Econ, English, History) =
(19, 11, 27, 28, 16, 18, 13, 18)

Northwestern =
(13, 32, 6, 21, 16, 8, 13, 16)

Hopkins =
(13, 6, 20, 13, 20, 22, 13, 10)

Penn =
(19, 15, 16, 13, 16, 9, 3, 11)

Duke doesn't have a singular top 10 engineering or non-professional grad school ranking. Head to head, Duke only out ranks 2 departments out of 8 or less against Northwestern, Penn, and Hopkins.

Again, it is overrated.

And yet students seem to care a lot more about Duke than going to school in Baltimore.

I don’t know why anyone thinks it’s bad if their department is 19th in the country

Hopkins’s students culture sucks. I wouldn’t want to go there either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:US News rankings for: Engineering (undergrad), Bio, Chem, Physics, Math, Econ, English, History) ranks:

Duke (Engineering,Bio,Chem, Phys, Math, Econ, English, History) =
(19, 11, 27, 28, 16, 18, 13, 18)

Northwestern =
(13, 32, 6, 21, 16, 8, 13, 16)

Hopkins =
(13, 6, 20, 13, 20, 22, 13, 10)

Penn =
(19, 15, 16, 13, 16, 9, 3, 11)

Duke doesn't have a singular top 10 engineering or non-professional grad school ranking. Head to head, Duke only out ranks 2 departments out of 8 or less against Northwestern, Penn, and Hopkins.

Again, it is overrated.

And yet students seem to care a lot more about Duke than going to school in Baltimore.

I don’t know why anyone thinks it’s bad if their department is 19th in the country

Hopkins’s students culture sucks. I wouldn’t want to go there either.

All you can do is troll when faced with facts. Pathetic look.

[Anonymous]

“Duke doesn't have a singular top 10 engineering or non-professional grad school ranking. Head to head, Duke only out ranks 2 departments out of 8 or less against Northwestern, Penn, and Hopkins.

Again, it is overrated.”

Facts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:US News rankings for: Engineering (undergrad), Bio, Chem, Physics, Math, Econ, English, History) ranks:

Duke (Engineering,Bio,Chem, Phys, Math, Econ, English, History) =
(19, 11, 27, 28, 16, 18, 13, 18)

Northwestern =
(13, 32, 6, 21, 16, 8, 13, 16)

Hopkins =
(13, 6, 20, 13, 20, 22, 13, 10)

Penn =
(19, 15, 16, 13, 16, 9, 3, 11)

Duke doesn't have a singular top 10 engineering or non-professional grad school ranking. Head to head, Duke only out ranks 2 departments out of 8 or less against Northwestern, Penn, and Hopkins.

Again, it is overrated.

And yet students seem to care a lot more about Duke than going to school in Baltimore.

I don’t know why anyone thinks it’s bad if their department is 19th in the country

Hopkins’s students culture sucks. I wouldn’t want to go there either.

All you can do is troll when faced with facts. Pathetic look.

Here’s a fun fact I can throw your way:
Duke university yield: 56%
John’s Hopkins Yield: 54%
Clearly it isn’t affecting students too badly when it comes decision time.